Youngish chap lives near me, I don't know him but I know his car.

Until recently he had a genuinely quite tidy Mk2 GTI I often saw him working on. A few months ago he got a yellow Leon Mk1 Cupra.

 

I've been passed by him a few times on the road. He doesn't hang around. Other than going a bit faster than even I'd think was good I've not seen him do anything too silly.

 

Passed him this morning with the arse of the Leon hanging out a ditch. He was fine standing beside the car.

 

Slightly bizzarly Google maps has a Mk2 Leon on Street view at exactly the point he started to crash just on the other side of the road.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.388584,-3.781329,3a,75y,104.84h,86.61t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sFxvre0Ap6e9STMhQvzs_Dg!2e0

 

Looked like he's gone into a series of nasty little corners too fast on the damp road. He knows the road so knew it as there. It's not uncommon too see a car in the bushes or fields there.

 

Fair play to the electrical guys who are putting up a pylon nearby they were there with their vans yellow flashers on and were directing traffic around the corner.

 

Felt a wee bit sorry for the lad, he certainly not the worst regular on that road but if he was driving as fast as normal then self inflicted and lucky it was just him.

 

BTW Tayside Police (or whatever they are called now) have a new gray A4 saloon unmarked car on a 13 plate

I'm wondering if the electrical guys had maybe dragged some mud onto the road. Yes, I'll agree that he appears to have run out of talent, but if the works weren't signposted and the road was muddy (particularly if it's been as dry as it's been here for the last month or so) the limit of grip may have been lower than he expected?

Good 300m from the entrance of the works and no mud on the road. They've finished putting up the pylon and they're just stringing the wires now.

I'm wondering if the electrical guys had maybe dragged some mud onto the road. Yes, I'll agree that he appears to have run out of talent, but if the works weren't signposted and the road was muddy (particularly if it's been as dry as it's been here for the last month or so) the limit of grip may have been lower than he expected?

Even if that was the case it would still be his fault for not driving to the conditions.

Maybe another vehicle forced him off road? Lets not assume because hes young hes been driving to fast.

Youngish chap lives near me, I don't know him but I know his car.

Until recently he had a genuinely quite tidy Mk2 GTI I often saw him working on. A few months ago he got a yellow Leon Mk1 Cupra.

 

I've been passed by him a few times on the road. He doesn't hang around. Other than going a bit faster than even I'd think was good I've not seen him do anything too silly.

 

Passed him this morning with the arse of the Leon hanging out a ditch. He was fine standing beside the car.

 

Slightly bizzarly Google maps has a Mk2 Leon on Street view at exactly the point he started to crash just on the other side of the road.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.388584,-3.781329,3a,75y,104.84h,86.61t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sFxvre0Ap6e9STMhQvzs_Dg!2e0

 

Looked like he's gone into a series of nasty little corners too fast on the damp road. He knows the road so knew it as there. It's not uncommon too see a car in the bushes or fields there.

 

Fair play to the electrical guys who are putting up a pylon nearby they were there with their vans yellow flashers on and were directing traffic around the corner.

 

Felt a wee bit sorry for the lad, he certainly not the worst regular on that road but if he was driving as fast as normal then self inflicted and lucky it was just him.

 

BTW Tayside Police (or whatever they are called now) have a new gray A4 saloon unmarked car on a 13 plate

Now with "One Police Scotland" I have noticed various cars here in the SW and I believe that there is a likelyhood that cars will be moved about the force area(the whole of Scotland!!! WTF) to avoid familiarity.

Have to say, knowing that road, it is not one that I would tend to push on. Lots of twisty sections and possibilities for danger - mud, farm vehicles, slow moving vehicles etc.

I'm wondering if the electrical guys had maybe dragged some mud onto the road. Yes, I'll agree that he appears to have run out of talent, but if the works weren't signposted and the road was muddy (particularly if it's been as dry as it's been here for the last month or so) the limit of grip may have been lower than he expected?

 

 

Even if that was the case it would still be his fault for not driving to the conditions.

Point relevant to your comment now emboldened.

Or not....obvious response

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Though no one likes to see a decent car in a ditch I'm not sure I feel that sorry for him. Hopefully he'll take stock (assuming there's not been another car involved thats not stopped) and take more care inthe future. The plus point being niether him or any innocent 3rd parties were injured.

There was a car in front of him but I think she was a witness.

Funny you mention the the grey Audi, there is one that appears then disappears in elgin. Wonder if its the same car.

Now with "One Police Scotland" I have noticed various cars here in the SW and I believe that there is a likelyhood that cars will be moved about the force area(the whole of Scotland!!! WTF) to avoid familiarity.

isn't that the point of unmarked cars?

I think without knowing the reasons and cause of the accident he would have my sympathy.

Things happen and it's not always the fault if that person.

Pre judging people no matter where in life isn't the best route to take. Life just isn't that predictable

I think without knowing the reasons and cause of the accident he would have my sympathy.

Things happen and it's not always the fault if that person.

Pre judging people no matter where in life isn't the best route to take. Life just isn't that predictable

Its narrow minded ness. Hes young so he must of been driving like a helmet

Unmarked cars are fine for undercover stuff but for safe policing of roads a visible deterrent is better. That's why I also think the interactive speed signs that flash your speed if breaking the limit are better than cameras hidden in bushes.

One slows you down at the time to the needed safer level the other allows you to carry on going too fast and several days later penalises you.

Also it seems quite common for some unmarked cars to tailgate as if to goad the driver in front to go quicker.

 

I do my best to be a law abiding citizen on the road and in general but sometimes mistakes do happen.

 

I am sure we have all driven like the ibiza lad in our younger years it is all part of life's learning experience.

Edited 2 April, 201412 yr by loskie

Could have been a deer, you do get them there but guessing from seeing his other driving... I think he was overtaking the witness car (old fiesta) and couldn't scrub off enough speed or someone came round the corner and he'd overtaken late. That particular S bend is at the end of a short straight that a reasonably quick can overtake on but if you go late you run the risk of someone coming round the bend.

 

His car is back in town now under a tarpaulin. Pile of bits underneath.

Nothing makes you a better driver than your first accident when you realise that if you drive like a knob, it will catch up with you.

 

Not saying he did drive like one but from comments regarding his "previous", it sounds like might have been.

Actually past the guy today and had as quick chat. He said he hit diesel just at the start of the corner and went straight on hitting a tree before bouncing round the corner. Fair bit of damage to the car but he's trying to fix it himself. I think he'll be lucky if it doesn't need to go on a jig. Looked like most of the impact was on the passenger side. One of the bumper mount bits was pretty crushed.

Ahh the old diesel one.

Think it's likely or that he ran out of talent?

He definitely went straight on at the corner. Seemed a nice enough lad but I think, damp roads + cheap/worn/too sporty rubber + a little too fast were still the most likely causes together.

 

I wasn't long after the  accident when I passed (5-10min) and I didn't feel a thing on the road. I've been over diesel before and you'll feel it even at low speed. Roads were greasy anyway. Crap tyres and a heavy foot would have done it nae bother.

I remember hitting diesel on a roundabout about 1 month of been a driver. Luckily by chance my two nearside wheels hit the dusty part of the roundabout where no one drives and the car stopped. A taxi entering the roundabout just thought i was been a pleb.. Till he straight lined into the roundabout. This was at 6am, on my way home from work that day about 1pm the roundabout was covered in sand and various car parts

I've done the "hit a diesel spill" one myself once. There was no, repeat no advance warning with the way the light and wind was, but I figured it out as the smell hit my nose in mid-slide, and was lucky enough to not run out of road width (dual carriageway so no danger to oncomng traffic).

As Ken said there's no warning sometimes as I found out last summer on the way to the BTCC at Croft.  Early morning, wet road hardly what you'd call a corner and we found ourselves sideways in the Rallye.  If he did hit diesel then I do feel for him.  If it was a case of his talent ran out then again, a lot of us have done this in the past so hopefully it is a learning experience for him either way. 

I didn't get the feeling he was lying, but I didn't feel the road was abnormally slippery when I drove iover it but I had already slowed right down when I got to that point since I could see the van with flashers in the road and the bits of car in the tree.

 

If you have a look at the googe map link then turn it about 100deg left you can see the tree he hit. The road hadn't really started to curve but he went straight off.

 

Could have been worse if he'd bounced into someone else the road is quite busy at that time and the corner is blind.