I've read the the elegance has start stop technology but it mentions activating the clutch, that being said, does it work on the DSG version?

From my experience, stop/start works better with the DSG. Brake to a stop and the engine cuts out, but as soon as you lift your foot from the brake to move back to the throttle, it restarts. 

 

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On the manual, the engine engines cut out when you come to a stop and then restarts once you engage the clutch, that's what was being referred to but it equally works with DSG but with brake. All FL models should have stop start. There will be times when the engine will keep running even when stopped e.g. if it is running very cold, or air con/ heater is on etc. If the car rolls forward when stopped or you are on an incline it won't engage. If the battery is draining stop start will also disengage and the engine will re start. You can switch the system on and off manually if you wish but it does save fuel especially if you do some town driving. Feels odd at first but you have to trust the technology!

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Stop/Start only activates on the manual when you're stopped, in Neutral and with the clutch disengaged, I can see it being a more elegant solution on the Auto, a bit like Cruise Control. First car I've had with Stop\Start and it does seem to work OK even though there has been times it hasn't kicked in when I was expecting it to.

The demonstrator I took out was a DSG, I liked the way the stop/start worked with the DSG, come to a stop, foot on the brake the engine stops, as soon as you lift your off the brake it starts... The vans we use at work, being manual, you stop, neutral, lift foot off clutch it stops, put clutch down it starts... The DSG seems much quicker

i'll guess the answer is a rather definate no (due to probable hardware differences) but is it possible to retrofit stop/start?

I borrwed the DSG demonstrator, when I stopped on a hill at a junction and put my foot on teh brake the engine cut out, I then tried to

 

The demonstrator I took out was a DSG, I liked the way the stop/start worked with the DSG, come to a stop, foot on the brake the engine stops, as soon as you lift your off the brake it starts... The vans we use at work, being manual, you stop, neutral, lift foot off clutch it stops, put clutch down it starts... The DSG seems much quicker

the demonstrator I drove rolled back a foot or so on the hill before the engine managed to restart much to my and the bloke behind's alarm

All FL models should have stop start.

 

Hmm, I would probably narrow it down to all diesel FL's ...

Hmm, I would probably narrow it down to all diesel FL's ...

I think it is on the 1.4tsi but I'd forgotten about the 1.8tsi.  In Ireland a petrol engine Superb would be almost unheard of due to our tax system and we tend to forget that they even exist - no offence as I'm sure they are a very refined car!  Believe it or not I've never actually seen one here.  Purely out of interest I did a quick internet search and there one petrol model (a Mk 1) for sale in the whole country!!

Ahaaa, now I can say that I learnt something today again!

 

Here in Sweden we have a tax situation where a petrol based car is cheaper until you pass 10000 miles, roughly, and then it will be cheaper with a diesel version. At least when I calculated on the Superb and the mpg's for that model found on the Fuelly web site. It is all based on a much higher annual tax for the diesel based car and then the diesel it self is a bit more expensive as well but the mpg figures are soo much better.

Start stop certainly works on DSG 2.0 L 170 PS vehicles, in the brochures (Definately in the 2014 brochure)  states all diesels are fitted with start / stop. It works perfectly with the DSG, whether the energy regeneration is as good as they claim not sure. The battery fitted to the 2014 Superb Estate 170PS DSG is only a 68Ah  380 A DIN  underneath 680 E EN, the DIN and the EN figures could be the same. The main Amp capacity seems extremely small for the larger engines. The battery is made by VARTA, who I contacted direct and they informed me that it is not the correct battery for the vehicle. I will be contacting SKODA.UK after Easter for their comments.

Ahaaa, now I can say that I learnt something today again!

 

Here in Sweden we have a tax situation where a petrol based car is cheaper until you pass 10000 miles, roughly, and then it will be cheaper with a diesel version. At least when I calculated on the Superb and the mpg's for that model found on the Fuelly web site. It is all based on a much higher annual tax for the diesel based car and then the diesel it self is a bit more expensive as well but the mpg figures are soo much better.

Well I've certainly learnt something new as well - that is a very interesting system!  In Ireland as an example if you take the 1.8tsi in Elegance spec, it is €3,000 more expensive than the equivalent 170tdi model and the road tax is €370 extra per annum - the numbers speak for themselves!  Our vehicle tax system is based on CO2 emissions and that impacts both the new purchase price and the annual road tax.  This system has been in place since 2008. Engine size was the determining factor prior to that, with higher capacity engines (obviously diesel were seriously impacted) being heavily taxed.  So you effectively had a major swing towards diesel engines once the government moved to an emissions based system.

 

Take a look at the Irish pricing for Superbs and you will get some idea

 

http://www.skoda.ie/brochures/Documents/pricelists/SUPERB_FL_2014.pdf

 

Of course more efficient petrol and hybrid technology is very slowly shifting some of the emphasis away from diesels.  Also, people often assume that diesel is always more efficient but it is obviously not always the best choice especially for lower mileage use (also potential DPF problems with constant short low speed runs).  Certainly in this country the amount of diesel cars that do less than 10k kms per year or rarely go outside town runs has increased dramatically especially for smaller sized engines where an equivalent petrol model may make more sense (even with our tax rates).

It's a pain in the hole. With the DSG the engine cuts out if you press HARD on the break pedal. If you are in stop/start traffic and you just press lightly on the pedal the engine will keep running.

If you are driving at say 120 kph on a motorway and you exit onto a slip road and come to a stop at a roundabout,the engine stops.it can't be good for the engine to go from high speed to off in a very short space of time.

With regard to the "pain in the hole"comment when the car cuts out the aircon also stops working.

I personally enable start-stop every time after starting of engine because:

 

a) I do not believe that it won't affect battery and starter

b ) I do not like delay, especially when you have to take off quickly. 

c) It is a turbocharged car and turbocharger has to be cooled down while engine is running. 

Edited 17 April, 201412 yr by LS108

In Ireland as an example if you take the 1.8tsi in Elegance spec, it is €3,000 more expensive than the equivalent 170tdi ...

 

Hi again!

We have it the other way around, the diesel version is always more expensive than the petrol car but I didn't take that into consideration since the diesel car second hand value also is equally higher ...

I personally enable start-stop every time after starting of engine because:

 

a) I do not believe that it won't affect battery and starter

b ) I do not like delay, especially when you have to take off quickly. 

c) It is a turbocharged car and turbocharger has to be cooled down while engine is running.

I totally agree with you, but why is it when you disable the s/s function the light beside the gear stick stays ON. It is not a safety feature so the light should come on in the dash and then go out. Drives me cracked.

ps I don't know which of your points above that I agree with more !!!

Good comment regarding the warning light. For some time I was not noticing it, but one day I was playing on snowy road and noticed that I am confusing this button with traction control OFF button. 

 

But now when I am on summer tires - I do not notice it, and even switch off process became subconscious

I borrwed the DSG demonstrator, when I stopped on a hill at a junction and put my foot on teh brake the engine cut out, I then tried to

 

the demonstrator I drove rolled back a foot or so on the hill before the engine managed to restart much to my and the bloke behind's alarm

 

That's one reason I have specified the hill hold on mine

I totally agree with you, but why is it when you disable the s/s function the light beside the gear stick stays ON. It is not a safety feature so the light should come on in the dash and then go out. Drives me cracked.

ps I don't know which of your points above that I agree with more !!!

LS108, on 17 Apr 2014 - 13:53, said:

I personally enable start-stop every time after starting of engine because:

 

a) I do not believe that it won't affect battery and starter

b ) I do not like delay, especially when you have to take off quickly. 

c) It is a turbocharged car and turbocharger has to be cooled down while engine is running. 

 

 

 

I couldn't agree more with both of you.

 

It's the first time that I notice someone thinking about what the implications to the engine are. As you said, imagine driving on the motorway as speeds like 130kph or even at 170kph in Germany where you have no speedlimit. After 3 hours like this, you pull in the gasstation and the engine stops. This has a devastating effect on the turbo, as the bearings running the turbo are cooled by engine oil. Remember, a turbo spins at 150 000- 170 000 rpm (!) at high car speeds.

After a number of the above scenario, problems with leaky turbo are guarranteed, as pressure wil leak out, you will have an oily turbo housing due to the vapours released.

 

In this pursue after lower CO emissions I think few people actually give a thought about what happens to the car in time. I personally think some costly repairs will be needed after 3 years with the car. And what about the starter motor ? How much starting is that designed for ?

 

Non start-stop taxis cars change the starter motor every 1.5-2 years due to numerous starts. Same effect like this could be possible with start-stop.

 

There was an interview with a guy working at a Romanian company - producing batteries for Varta - he was saying that when time will come to replace the battery on a Start-Stop car, the battery price is 2-4 time higher that the "regular" battery, due to the unique way that the start-stop cars need the battery to work.

 

Anyway, call me "old fashioned", but if I had a SS car, I would take out the fuse for the system as a "permanent disable" and no light warning near the gear stick

Edited 19 April, 201412 yr by Norian

double posting, sorry

Edited 19 April, 201412 yr by Norian