looks like I'm finally purchasing a MK2 VRS

[thomasaspin]

hey gang looks like I'm finally gonna buy a fabia vrs mk2 (test driving next week) just wondering theres two of the exact same car with the same colour but different engine codes one is the CAVE and the other is the CTHE now the cave comes with more goodies (heated seats gps bluetooth etc) has a lot more miles (36,000) on they are asking for £9000 its on a 62 plate I'm just wondering what its actually worth and wether these engines really are a disaster because on the phone the dealer said it appears i know more about this car than they do haha? and the other car is a 62 plate with a lot less miles (10,000) (but is a 2013 car) what that one its worth also just don't wanna get ripped off because I'm only 21 i know these dealers with try to take the **** with me being a young lad 

[sharkrider]

Not all cave engines are bad, but if you can stretch to the cthe car, I would

I have had both, and my cave was good, but the cthe is still better

[Ootohere]

Best go for the CTHE car.

The CAVE might be OK, but the CTHE is the best bet.

 

You need the Remainder of the 3 Year Manufacturers Warranty,

& check to see if the Original Buyer paid for 5 years.

After the Warranty you get now, or the Original Warranty Expires you will be best to purchase a 

'Skoda Approved Extended Warranty'.

(If the CAVE car has had a Remap that is a problem, because any Warranty Claim might get rejected.)

A CTHE will not have had a Remap done, because it could not be remapped.

 

Which ever you need to be sure it has been serviced to the Schedule, & check what Warranty Work if any the car has had.

 

Try asking the Dealer if the Heated Seats were part of a Service Campaign, and are now done,

& ask about the Service Campaign on both cars DSG Gearbox,

was anything required and are the DSG done now,  Mineral Oil & ECU update.

 

Best see if you can find a Twincharger owner that will go along with you.

Enjoy the Road Tests.

 

george

 

PS

Do not pay too much for them, there are plenty for sale.

The CAVE might be too much money for a 2012 car with 36,000 miles.

You want to know what the Service & Warranty History is.

If it has had a Breather / Valve Mod & ECU update but no new engine , walk away.

& It will be needing new spark plugs now if not already changed.

Edited 13 December, 2014 by goneoffSKi

[thomasaspin]

thanks guys emailed skoda uk on the CAVE and just received this

 

"From…    Skoda UK Customer Services

Subject:    SD-2014/12-004594

Dear Mr Aspin

Thank you for your email dated 12 December 2014 regarding information on a ŠKODA Fabia.

I have checked on our systems and the following information is available:-

Chassis number TMBFP65J2D3036058

Fabia Hatch RS 1.4 TSI 180 PS 7SPD DSG

Engine code: CAVE

Manufacturer Warranty Period 25/09/2012 to 24/09/2015

Oil Change Service 03/09/2013 at 15,480 miles
Inspection Service 02/04/2014 at 25,216 miles
Oil Change Service 24/10/2014 at 34,591

Colour Combinations
Solid colours for black roof
Corrida Red Black Magic Pearlescent

Interior colour
RS Onyx

Optional Equipment
Radio/telephone/navigation
Telephone preparation GSM II with Bluetooth
phone preparation


Functionality
Drawer under left front seat

Comfort
Acoustic rear parking sensors
Electric sunroof
Key for locking system with remote control
Radio remote controlled central locking operated from inside and safe securing
Carrier frequency 433.92 MHz-434.42 Mhz
Interior light with contact switch
Electric slide/tilt sunroof with sun screen/sunblind


Wheel/tyre
Gigaro Black alloy wheels 7Jx17" 205/40 R17 7Jx17 ET41
Alloy wheels 7J x 17


Steering wheel/interior/seats functionality
spoke multi-functional leather steering wheel with control module for radio/telephone
Leather trimmed multi-function sports steering wheel

Heated front seats
Seat heater for front seats separately controlled

Field campaign - W-Heater element completed on 01/04/2014

The only way you can tell if a car’s engine has been remapped is by allowing your Dealer to connect their computer to the car’s
computer to check the systems, but this would be a chargeable job.

I trust this information has been of help to you, but should you require any further help then please feel free to contact me on
the telephone number listed below.

Thank you once again for contacting ŠKODA UK Customer Services.

Kind regards


John Good,
ŠKODA UK | Selectapost 34 | Sheffield | S97 3FA
Tel: +44 (0)333 0037504 | fax: +44 (0)844 8267855
[email protected] | www.skoda.co.uk | www.skoda-auto.com"

[Ootohere]

Ah John Good is good IMHO.

 

You do not need to Pay Anything to be sure you have no Problem buying and then Being Told the Car was Previously Remapped.

 

Just ask a Skoda Dealer if Buying from one, to be sure to put the Car on VAS Diagnostic & to put the Latest Skoda Software on the ECU.

Before you collect the car.

 

It might have a Minor (#1), Major (#2) & Minor )#3) Service done, 

but the Spark Plugs are due at 40,000 miles,  so if not done you want them done before another Major Service @ 3 Years or what ever.

 

'''''''''''''''''''

Not sure if that car was on Variable Servicing if the first Oil & Filter Minor Service was at 15,480 miles

& not the Fixed 9,400 or 372 Days.

 

Maybe it was a Demonstrator and Serviced @ 4-5,000 miles, sold then done again at 15,480 miles.

Or maybe Variable then done as Fixed for the next 2 Services.

 

So an Original Manufacturers Warranty Still, & what ever you get from the Seller.

 

I would still go for the CTHE unless you are dead happy with the CAVE.

It could be a cracker.

[Ootohere]

PS

Ask John Good,  

 

Is this car one that requires 'Service Campaign' Field Actions on the DSG?    & Has it been done yet?

 

They are not so good at letting Registered Keepers know,

& the Dealers are a bit lax in telling owners, and what is being done & why.

 

PPS

If the car needs the Service Campaign Field Action on the DSG done at a Skoda / VW Dealer.

Then while doing it for the DSG ECU, they can put the Latest VW / Skoda Software on the ECU to be sure the

car is not Remapped to Stage 1 now.

 

(anything on the ECU when the Dealer took in the car is their responsibility, if they do not bother checking,

putting things back to Factory Settings etc.)

Edited 13 December, 2014 by goneoffSKi

[thomasaspin]

cheers goneoffski honestly follow all your threads to get clued up on these car's just booked in for a test drive of the CTHE hope i can haggle them on the day with it being before christmas , the cave does come with all the goodies but I've heard these CTHE cough out more bhp than standard and show some amazing results at the flywheel. 

[Ootohere]

The cars well worth buying, and you are doing all the right things.

The CTHE is the safer bet for a car that you can enjoy, and have reliability and peace of mind.

 

For me it is the CAVE, because i like a little gamble,

and they are available for 'Much Cheapness'.  

 

Keeps us informed.

 

There might be a member near you that could 'Buddy Up', and keep you right.  

[Furbytom]

What's the spec and price of the CTHE car? If it's not much more I think I'd go with that tbh.

[Ant FR]

i'd go CTHE, my experience is they are a little punchier than the CAVE, even my brother has admitted mines quicker than his ( both standard at time of comparison)

[pee81]

I've had a cave engined car for 3years and it was a good little car,we then traded it in for a new CTHE engined car and I have to admit it's brilliant

[Goldfish1986]

I have a CAVE engine and it's been fine! (Only had 6 months though) only prob I've had is the mechatronics unit failed so I'm still in the process of getting it fixed.

[Ally_bassman]

No brainer,

I had a CAVE and it was fine. But for the piece of mind and a little extra BHP I'd go for the CTHE.

I see added options as added things to go wrong.......

[bobnaldo]

Buy mine instead.

Can guarantee the history and itll save you a few quid on a 2013 plate.

Also its pretty loaded with extras.

[Ootohere]

I would always go for Electric rear windows though.

It is a constant requirement IME remembering to wind the rears back up the 1 mm that has the top of the glass wet and H20 coming in just

a ticky.