If your ABS is kicking in' date=' you aren't in control of the vehicle - you're relying on electronic aids.

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stop talking out of that donkey like orafice, the thing with abs is that it takes the uncertainty out of emegency braking.

what it does is mean your nan can stop just as quick in a car as tiff could because the human error is taken out.

and are you telling me that you have never ever skidded in a car??

some ABS systems are a PITA like the one on my works van, it does have any steering sensors or anything just wheel speed sensors so if you pull out into traffic quick and turn sharp to get into line and brake the abs cuts in becaues of the difference in wheel speeds and it thinks that one is skidding. stoopid thing

stop talking out of that donkey like orafice

You been admiring my orifices Bengie? :eek:

The Fabia ABS only kicks in when the wheels are locked, simple as. If you're locking wheels so much that you find the ABS annoying you aint in control and certainly aren't the sort of person who should be disabling the system.

In my opinion - just my 2 penneth worth.

some ABS systems are a PITA like the one on my works van, it does have any steering sensors or anything just wheel speed sensors so if you pull out into traffic quick and turn sharp to get into line and brake the abs cuts in becaues of the difference in wheel speeds and it thinks that one is skidding. stoopid thing

I thought ABS sensors were simply there to look at the hub / CV etc and detect if one has stopped revolving when the others were still turning??

Granted if you have ESP then they would do more than this.

I thought ABS sensors were simply there to look at the hub / CV etc and detect if one has stopped revolving when the others were still turning??

AFAIK, most work by "relative deceleration" rather than telling if one wheel has stopped spinning when the other hasn't.

That is, if one wheel's rotational speed has decelerated much quicker than the other, it is determined that the slower wheel is about to lock, and so the automatic cadence braking is applied.

Which would explain what Bengie is experiencing, and also why systems can be "oversensitive" as they don't wait until the wheel is actually locked.

Was a few years ago that I looked into all this though, things might've moved on since!

Rob.

admitidly i have never driven a fabia but the ABS on my octavia i don't find intrusive at all, in fact it kicke in the other day and i thought "fecking hell my ABS just cut in!" thiswas whilst braking very heavily over a small crest(about 1ft tall so perfect vision) so the ABS only cut because the car "went light".

the esp however is easy to get going, especilly with my 15bhp monster :P

15bhp :P - I reckon someone swapped your engine over ;)

ABS used to increase brake distance considerably when it first came out. These days it probably still does a little but generally it's not messing up too badly. As already mentioned, the main job of ABS is to allow steering to take place so you can avoid obstacles such as cars, people, etc.

On the ESP front - I was in NL for my Christmas holiday and there was a good inch of snow. I had a little fun trying out with ESP on and with it off on an empty industrial estate road, no salt on the road. Didnt go too crazy but when I chucked the car into a corner 'hard' (still only doing about 20ish mph on the speedo, wheels slipping a bit), it just went straight on. Turned ESP back on and it absolutely janked (sp?) the car round to where I had the steering wheel pointed. Very impressed.

Later that day I went round a mini-roundabout about 10 mph (it was slippery) and the ESP kicked in hard to fight me round it. The car behind me went off the road and we pulled over to help get them back onto the proper road after that. No crazy speeds but I was amazed about how much difference the ESP made at that point