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Diesel cars cost more than an equivalent petrol

 

Diesels need mor servicing than petrols

 

Diesel services cost more than a petrol

 

When a diesel engine goes wrong you can bend down, tuck your head between your knees and kiss your arse goodbye

 

Ang garage can fix a petrol car

 

Agreed, the spreadsheet needs to be more comprehensive, including servicing costs/frequency, registration/tax (I forget what you call it in the UK), purchase cost, even depreciation and anticipated length of ownership....if you want to go crazy.

 

My spreadsheet (swapping from a Mazda 6 to the Superb) showed that we would save 50 quid a month in running costs (this is the part I told my wife). It also highlighted that it would take 13 years to recoup the cost of changing cars.....I kept that bit to myself.

 

;o)

Vector in...

 

Diesel cars cost more than an equivalent petrol

 

Diesels need mor servicing than petrols

 

Diesel services cost more than a petrol

 

When a diesel engine goes wrong you can bend down, tuck your head between your knees and kiss your arse goodbye

 

Ang garage can fix a petrol car

 

Don't forget to add on 1 litre of oil for every 500 miles done in a petrol Skoda 

 

I don't think anybody can use the argument about petrol vs diesel reliability, petrol cars are just as bad. There is the HPFP cam lobe wear, plus the carbon deposits that build up on the valves and now even particulate filters are coming on the scene.

Edited 5 December, 20169 yr by SuperbTWM

Ang garage can fix a petrol car

A modern petrol car has similar technical requirements for servicing to a diesel. Diagnostics, manuals, etc.

 

Notwithstanding that, basic PM for both petrol and diesel is still quite similar: oil, filters every x km. Timing belt every so many services if it uses one.

A modern petrol car has similar technical requirements for servicing to a diesel. Diagnostics, manuals, etc.

 

Notwithstanding that, basic PM for both petrol and diesel is still quite similar: oil, filters every x km. Timing belt every so many services if it uses one.

 

 

Im looking at my bills for running diesels..

 

4 recon injectors (Ford) £895 fitted/coded/vat

 

almost a VGT same car.....£600 (lucky escape)

 

DMF (although not solely restricted to diesels....but mainly so)  £895

 

Fuel filters £30

 

Citroen Relay 2.8hdi lwb van............1 injector..............supply/fit/code/vat.............£500 (thank feck it was under warranty)

 

 

Many garages will hear the words "diesel injector pump Hdi/CR"  and say "take it to Swad diesels" (the rest send your car the Swad, who have a £40,000 computerised test rig for injectors and pumps)

 

In the mix is the fact the EU wants diesels off the road, which is odd seeing as 90% of UK dioesel cars are built in the UK

 

add on the fact that the UK only produces 48 weeks of diesel (cos our refineries were built pre-diesel car boom) so we import crude PLUS refined diesel and it looks bleak.........the rape seed crop was going to guarantee bio-diesel supplies for ever.......then out came Hdi engines that cant tolerate over 5% bio or your £2000 injector pump implodes..

 

change your oil and check it after 100 miles...........black

 

change the oil in a petrol....100 miles clean...............in a LPG car make that 1000 miles................

 

ive run vans and taxis over 15 years and when i quit the diesel car will be gone, even the illusion diesel engines last 300k and petrols only 100k is out of date....the gap has narrowed, i think because of the quest to screw more BHP out of a 4 pot engine...........something has to give

They do any injection system but 90% is diesel.,....ask shane

 

http://www.swadlincotediesel.co.uk/

Don't forget to add on 1 litre of oil for every 500 miles done in a petrol Skoda 

 

I don't think anybody can use the argument about petrol vs diesel reliability, petrol cars are just as bad. There is the HPFP cam lobe wear, plus the carbon deposits that build up on the valves and now even particulate filters are coming on the scene.

 

EGR....

 

 

 

VGT

 

how many diesel car owners realise the effects of using the wrong oiul and cheap diesel?

 

"oh it does 55mpg"..........yeah

 

ARGGGH clutch is £900!

 

change your oil and check it after 100 miles...........black

 

 

 

This has absolutely no relevance what so ever. Engine oil is designed to keep the soot in suspense hence why the oil change interval is the same across the board.

EGR....

 

 

 

VGT

 

 

 

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/266114-18tsi-and-20tsi-engine-failures/?hl=%2Btfsi+%2Bengine+%2Breplacement

 

Here are 51 users from the forum with complete petrol engine failure.

This has absolutely no relevance what so ever. Engine oil is designed to keep the soot in suspense hence why the oil change interval is the same across the board.

 

so thinned oil is ok? do i want soot in my oil?

 

look, i depend on a vehicle for my income, not shopping trips or holidays, ive had Montegos, Carltons, Cortinas, Transits, Talbot Alpines, Mondeos, Chevrolet Epica., Superb, Astra 1.6d..

 

the diesels have caused me the most issues

 

i also ran Sprinters, Transits, Fiat and Citreon LWB vans for couriers oh....and LDV Convoys

so thinned oil is ok? do i want soot in my oil?

 

look, i depend on a vehicle for my income, not shopping trips or holidays, ive had Montegos, Carltons, Cortinas, Transits, Talbot Alpines, Mondeos, Chevrolet Epica., Superb, Astra 1.6d..

 

the diesels have caused me the most issues

 

i also ran Sprinters, Transits, Fiat and Citreon LWB vans for couriers oh....and LDV Convoys

You're always going to get some amount of soot passing the piston rings into the oil. Diesel oils are formulated especially to handle the soot loading so that it avoids engine damage. If the oil didn't hold the soot in suspension, it'd be settling out in the bottom of the sump sludging things up.

 

Any use case where you are putting on high mileage is going to expose issues that most owners won't ever see. Have you run any petrol vehicle over the same mileage as the diesels? I'd be surprised if it didn't run into a bunch of issues as well.

A friend of mine who used to work in Google commented that due to the volume of data/traffic they handled, million to one events were a daily occurrence. So it goes with high mileage vehicles also.

Dear OP....yes you did buy the wrong car

You have been warned

 

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/doctors-against-diesel-ban-polluting-cars-london-1595871

You have been warned

 

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/doctors-against-diesel-ban-polluting-cars-london-1595871

 

Er - bring back LPG all is forgiven ?

 

Stand back and light the blue touch paper  :devil:

Don't forget to add on 1 litre of oil for every 500 miles done in a petrol Skoda 

 

I don't think anybody can use the argument about petrol vs diesel reliability, petrol cars are just as bad. There is the HPFP cam lobe wear, plus the carbon deposits that build up on the valves and now even particulate filters are coming on the scene.

 

My top oil bottle remains untouched in my boot - no oil topup required by my 1.4tsi (between services) in nearly 40k miles

 

Gasoline Particulate Filters will only need passive regeneration due to the higher combustion temperatures of petrol

Er - bring back LPG all is forgiven ?

 

Stand back and light the blue touch paper  :devil:

 

of the fuels used in an IC gas burns the cleanest, CNG is the cheapest at 20p/ltr

 

 Have you run any petrol vehicle over the same mileage as the diesels? I'd be surprised if it didn't run into a bunch of issues as well.

 

 

as taxis.... Montego MG Efi, Vauxhall Carlton 1.8 (2 off, 1 was auto) Montego 1.6 petrol estate, Talbot Alpine 1.5,  Mk5 Cortina 2.0ltr, so yes, quite a few

 

Issues? cambelt went on the Montego petrol, the 1.6 is a "safe" engine...no valve/piston damage, £20 to fix.

 

of the rest nothing

 

Diesels...

 

The 55 plate Mondeo 130ps 6 speed was the worst, DMF/starter £900....another starter £120...4 recon injectors £900

 

Transit Tourneo 125ps DMF £900

as taxis.... Montego MG Efi, Vauxhall Carlton 1.8 (2 off, 1 was auto) Montego 1.6 petrol estate, Talbot Alpine 1.5,  Mk5 Cortina 2.0ltr, so yes, quite a few

 

Issues? cambelt went on the Montego petrol, the 1.6 is a "safe" engine...no valve/piston damage, £20 to fix.

 

of the rest nothing

 

Diesels...

 

The 55 plate Mondeo 130ps 6 speed was the worst, DMF/starter £900....another starter £120...4 recon injectors £900

 

Transit Tourneo 125ps DMF £900

So all ancient carburettored or early generation electronic fuel injection cars. A world away from what's in a modern petrol engine, never mind diesel.

 

DMFs are consumable/wear items. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't been paying attention.

So all ancient carburettored or early generation electronic fuel injection cars. A world away from what's in a modern petrol engine, never mind diesel.

 

DMFs are consumable/wear items. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't been paying attention.

 

yeah..carbs or injection..........i find most petrols are 1 or the other.............i cant see thge progress being any progress if the items fail that make it progress

 

its modern diesels (Hdi and maximum power outputs) that are screwed.....Transit 2.5Di's would go forever

Edited 13 December, 20169 yr by lichfielddriver

yeah..carbs or injection..........i find most petrols are 1 or the other.............i cant see thge progress being any progress if the items fail that make it progress

 

its modern diesels (Hdi and maximum power outputs) that are screwed.....Transit 2.5Di's would go forever

Except now petrol engines are using advanced direct injection in place of the port injection that your old cars had; multiple injection events per ignition cycle, varying injection patterns depending on load, etc. All the stuff diesels do as well. Higher compression ratios too, so more interference engines. There's also fuel quality to consider. Petrol cars are more tolerant of poor quality fuel than diesels since petrol fuel injection systems don't depend on the fuel for lubrication of the moving parts. In a modern common rail diesel, one tank of bad fuel might be enough to destroy the injection system.

 

Bottom line: you cannot compare experience of a 30+ year old petrol car to a modern one. Ditto diesels. Economy and emissions standards have tightened massively (to all our benefit) necessitating high-technology solutions. The downside is there is more to potentially go wrong. It's a credit to modern vehicle engineers that in spite of all this technology cars are far more reliable than they were 30 years ago.

 

And yes, by any measure of failure rate of components, modern cars are far more reliable. But there are far more of them on the road than there were 30 years ago, so you'll hit the unreliable ones more frequently. Anyone who ran a car 30-40 years ago with Lucas electrics I'm sure appreciates the reliability of a modern vehicle: the luxury of knowing it will actually start no matter the conditions.

If you go to https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/all-vehicles-veh01 and look at table veh0101, you'll see that the UK fleet size has gone from 25.2 million vehicles in 1994 to 37.4 million in 2016. If you were to assume a problem rate of say 1 in 10000 vehicles for 1994 and an improvement to 1 in 15000  by 2016 (these numbers are made up for illustrative purposes) then you'd have had 2520 faulty vehicles in 1994 and 2493 in 2016.

no..........the 30 year old petrol car has lasted longer than any modern car will already..

 

back to the point

 

by 2025 diesels will be taxed to hell and so demonised you wont want one. end of

The figures for deaths due to pollution would be much much higher if everyone was driving 30 year old cars though. The problem really is that while regulations place tighter and tighter constraints on emissions, the car manufacturers are passing on all the extra expense of the systems to meet these regulations to the consumer, with customers having very little comeback on issues, especially outside the warranty period.

 

This means that the cost of ownership for a modern car, while theoretically low to entice people to buy new cars (Looking at fuel economy, cheap servicing and longer service intervals, as well as reduced tax and insurance), often ends up being much higher for anyone who's not in warranty and even some who are. The potential of a car to be a complete money pit, combined with driverless cars that can be called on demand (Pretty much what Uber and Lyft are working on now), means that in 10 years time it looks like very few people will buy cars. The number of people buying cars (In western Europe and the US) is already declining I think. In Ireland it's so expensive to get insured on anything even when into your 20s that many people have already given up on owning cars here.

Diesels are as doomed as coal fired power stations (or at least outside of China), they are pollitically incorrect and thats without VW/VAG cheating on emissions

 

Fuel cell and pure leccy cars will be the way forward, its just upto Ford, VW, PSA and the Japanese to have the will to build them, although I strongly suspect they already have them.........but why release them if you build IC engines in billion euro plants?

Edited 13 December, 20169 yr by lichfielddriver