noticed in the news that the police want a + 1 mph max  tolerance on all speed limits 20+1  thro to 70 +1 on motorways ,appears to me to be totally unrealistic but good for police revenue I suppose

You noticed wrong methinks. The tosspot inspector concerned wants zero tolerance i.e. 71 mph = £100 fine + 6 points. Possibly even 70.1 mph!

 

 

Edited 20 August, 20187 yr by xman

Yes you right zero tolerance,I can’t believe it!

Is this real news or just something to fill the paper? I've tried searching for where this Chief Constable made the comments and the latest "quote" I can find is from Police Chiefs' Blog: CC Anthony Bangham - Road enforcement must be proportionate, but the limit is the limit for a reason 4/2/18 and this makes more sense to me:

The logical conclusion of that argument, and the way it has been widely reported, is that we’re going after people just one mph over the limit. I now want to be clearer on this point  –  our aim is not to be pursuing drivers one mph over the speed limit and putting them through the courts. This would not be proportionate or achievable.  
Police enforcement is always intelligence-led, proportionate and applied with common sense. The focus on the one mph issue has detracted from the real point I wanted to make - drivers shouldn’t just assume they’ve got a free pass to drive over the limit. The limit is the limit.
Officers have discretion to act based on the circumstances. There may well be occasions where someone is speeding a couple of miles over the speed limit outside a school and an officer could reasonably decide it is proportionate to stop them.

 

 

Police Scotland already run a pilot scheme in 2015 /16 of Speed Limit + 1 and then written warnings.

Edited 20 August, 20187 yr by Offski

1 hour ago, peter_k said:

Is this real news or just something to fill the paper? I've tried searching for where this Chief Constable made the comments and the latest "quote" I can find is from Police Chiefs' Blog: CC Anthony Bangham - Road enforcement must be proportionate, but the limit is the limit for a reason 4/2/18 and this makes more sense to me:

The logical conclusion of that argument, and the way it has been widely reported, is that we’re going after people just one mph over the limit. I now want to be clearer on this point  –  our aim is not to be pursuing drivers one mph over the speed limit and putting them through the courts. This would not be proportionate or achievable.  
Police enforcement is always intelligence-led, proportionate and applied with common sense. The focus on the one mph issue has detracted from the real point I wanted to make - drivers shouldn’t just assume they’ve got a free pass to drive over the limit. The limit is the limit.
Officers have discretion to act based on the circumstances. There may well be occasions where someone is speeding a couple of miles over the speed limit outside a school and an officer could reasonably decide it is proportionate to stop them.

 

 

It’s more likely an example of the modern media’s desperation for mere survival........as in clickbait.

As Rudy Giuliani would say  - truth isn’t necessarily truth.

I remember this from a few years back. I think it was a senior plod speaking at a conference or off the cuff not actually a real policy statement. It was resoundingly pooh-poohed as I recall.

 

The majority of cars don't have speedo's accurate enough to be judged on this. The cost in involved to gain assurance that the police monitoring devices were also accurate enough to prosecute on this would also be prohibitive.

 

Plus once a few bloody minded individuals get started it might be hard to get a prosecution since  that also has to show that prosecuting someone for doing 1mph over the limit is 'in the public interest'.

 

With the courts system on its knees anyway loading it up with Joe Public caught out by going down a sudden dip in the road is not going to be in the public interest.

I’d doubt that most police equipment is accurate to 1mph in all circumstances.

 

When I worked with mod plod a few years back their laser gun supposedly monitoring the perimeter road, often latched on to a Tornado taking off on the runway behind.

I'm sure someone was keen to issue a ticket to the RAF for their vehicle doing 200mph in a 30mph zone.

Most bad ideas regarding speeding seem to start from the North Wales Gestapo (no offence meant Sasha) who like TOURISTS because unless you're driving with your SAT NAV you're likely to get one of their special "Thanks for visiting Cymru" letters with a please pay £100 within 14 days!

I thought the new banding penalties was the same thing anyway - 31mph in a 30 limit = 50% weekly income fine, and all that?

24 minutes ago, Aspman said:

I'm sure someone was keen to issue a ticket to the RAF for their vehicle doing 200mph in a 30mph zone.

 

2 minutes ago, Jfhuk said:

 

All we need now is one of those Tornado jamming devices from the local RAF breakers yard!

Group buy?

 

https://www.naval-technology.com/projects/agm-88e-advanced-anti-radiation-guided-missile-aargm/

 

The Russian version might be for sale with a bit of digging however I think one of them mounted on top of a Fabia diesel might be both obvious and excessive.

2 minutes ago, Aspman said:

Group buy?

 

https://www.naval-technology.com/projects/agm-88e-advanced-anti-radiation-guided-missile-aargm/

 

The Russian version might be for sale with a bit of digging however I think one of them mounted on top of a Fabia diesel might be both obvious and excessive.

At least it's given me an idea next time plod pull me over. Wasn't me officer must have been that RAF Tornado you picked up by mistake assuming we haven't been blown to pieces by the SIDEWINDER missile attack!

The funny thing is, bad drivers always seem to brake and not get caught, whilst ducking and diving in and out of traffic, jumping red lights and cutting up other road users with aplomb! Speed is not the issue, it is the driving style and the inappropriate USE of speed! Drive safely at 75 on a clear motorway, where is the danger? Drive 29 in a 30 zone, whilst children are going to and from school, trying to cross roads where there are too many parked vehicles to make observations safe and it will be extremely risky! "I wasn't speeding, officer so it wasn't MY fault"! Try telling that to the dead eight year old's parent, whilst still retaining a full set of teeth!

Speaking of Fabia diesels SWMBO once collected a nice photo when clocked at 55mph in a 40mph zone. She tried to say it wasn't her driving but when I pointed out to her I don't have any hair and I'm not African the penny finally dropped !

3 minutes ago, mrgf said:

The funny thing is, bad drivers always seem to brake and not get caught, whilst ducking and diving in and out of traffic, jumping red lights and cutting up other road users with aplomb! Speed is not the issue, it is the driving style and the inappropriate USE of speed! Drive safely at 75 on a clear motorway, where is the danger? Drive 29 in a 30 zone, whilst children are going to and from school, trying to cross roads where there are too many parked vehicles to make observations safe and it will be extremely risky! "I wasn't speeding, officer so it wasn't MY fault"! Try telling that to the dead eight year old's parent, whilst still retaining a full set of teeth!

We have a primary school 200 metres from our house and I try to avoid driving past at certain times of the day because excitable little ones don't practice safe highway code measures when crossing the road!

38 minutes ago, Ttaskmaster said:

I thought the new banding penalties was the same thing anyway - 31mph in a 30 limit = 50% weekly income fine, and all that?

Only if it goes to court.

 

Generally speaking, if you're less than 20 over the given limit you'll get 3pts and £100 fine or the choice of a speed awareness course.  However if say you were caught doing 35 in a 30 but contested it in court, if you lost the recently amended guidelines apply.

 

If you've caught at 20+ over the limit you're likely to be summoned to court and again, the new guidelines would apply.

2 minutes ago, Russ77 said:

Only if it goes to court.

 

Generally speaking, if you're less than 20 over the given limit you'll get 3pts and £100 fine or the choice of a speed awareness course.  However if say you were caught doing 35 in a 30 but contested it in court, if you lost the recently amended guidelines apply.

 

If you've caught at 20+ over the limit you're likely to be summoned to court and again, the new guidelines would apply.

Get caught at 36mph in Leicestershire and they invite you to a nice 4 hour classroom session and charge you £90 but at least the licence remains points free (penalties might be harsher in North Wales).

49 minutes ago, mrgf said:

The funny thing is, bad drivers always seem to brake and not get caught, whilst ducking and diving in and out of traffic, jumping red lights and cutting up other road users with aplomb! Speed is not the issue, it is the driving style and the inappropriate USE of speed! Drive safely at 75 on a clear motorway, where is the danger? Drive 29 in a 30 zone, whilst children are going to and from school, trying to cross roads where there are too many parked vehicles to make observations safe and it will be extremely risky! "I wasn't speeding, officer so it wasn't MY fault"! Try telling that to the dead eight year old's parent, whilst still retaining a full set of teeth!

 

The cynic in me think that catching those sorts of people is expensive needing, drivers, and cars on site to observe and apprehend. A +1 zero tolerance policy needs a recalibration of the cameras.

 

Cost per tick in the box is much lower with the +1 whilst more collars are felt.

 

I mused once that these things should be weighted, the the unit a "Crim". So a 3 penalty point speeder is only worth 0.1 Crims and a dangerous driver is worth 5 Crims. So plod is incentivised to spend time catching the worst offenders.

 

Mind you they'll just change the criteria  to make a +1 mpg speeding fine a careless driving offence.

The awareness issue is not an option, if you are a driving instructor. Doubt it would be if you were any other training related post or an examiner, either! 

34 minutes ago, mrgf said:

The awareness issue is not an option, if you are a driving instructor. Doubt it would be if you were any other training related post or an examiner, either! 

Next door neighbour recently told me he has 9 points on his licence but the funny thing is the car he drives. A really old Vauxhall Meriva, not exactly a hot hatch. To be fair to him he did say he has to drive 1,000 miles a week to work and back!

Go down a hill on a push bike and look at the computer or GPS if you have one & get to 30 mph, and then to 31 mph and i guarantee you there will feel like no difference, 

at 30 or 31 or 33 mph you just hope something is not going to pull out on you.

Edited 21 August, 20187 yr by Offski

I can actually feel when a student goes over the 30 limit, though. I know when they are at the correct speed and can feel if its just a little too fast so I peek and see! Perhaps 2-3mph, rather then just 1 though!