Job done. Forge Motorsport Adjustable Rear Tie Bars fitted today.

I've now got the rear camber angle to an acceptable angle. It was -4.14' :eek: now -0.52'

It don't seem to drive any different but I'm gunna save loadsa dosh on tyres.

How low was it to do that to the camber? I've got some KWs going on on Friday, I need to chose a suitable (sensible) ride height before then.

Id love more info on your ride height etc as Im off to Jabba on Saturday for my Koni/Eibach setup to be installed. I went for the Jabba adjustable rear tie bars simply because they were less than half the price of the Forge ones - hope that was a wise move. :confused: My drop should be around 30mm but as its a 4x4 it is already approx 2.6ft higher than a standard car would be

Lee

I've just measured the height from the ground to the centre/top of the wheel arch ,,,, 26" or 660 in euro's.

I didn't go for the super low position because I need room to carry a load from time to time.

i might go measure mine, its bloody low though!

its sat on gravel so may be slightly out but 24" front and rear :eek:

How low was it to do that to the camber? I've got some KWs going on on Friday, I need to chose a suitable (sensible) ride height before then.

Check KWs recomentations before you fit them, I took my 4x4 down to about RS height, I then had some problems with the KW's which they sorted for me but they asked me to check the ride height before thet agreed to replace them & I was only a few mm higher than there min height yet the car could have been taken a lot lower, had I been too low they would not have reoplaced them

Kw direct no is 0049 7971 9630215, Michael Grassl & Oliver (bossman) both speak excelent English

UK agent is Recaro 01926 484111

They are well worth the money

27.5" up front, 28.25" at the back. :eek: Looks like 40-50mm is in order!

Check KWs recomentations before you fit them

That does seem sensible! The only trouble is the instructions are about as clear as mud. I'll give them another read, see whether things start to make sense...

That does seem sensible! The only trouble is the instructions are about as clear as mud. I'll give them another read, see whether things start to make sense...

The bit about min heights isnt in the instructions, I agree they are "not the best"

The instructions i have (686 82 005) say the following:

Min remaining thread on front strut = 20mm

Max remaining thread on front strut = 50mm

Min remaining thread on rear spring platform = 0mm

Max remaining thread on rear spring platform = 20mm

Min distance (both f&r), centre of wheel to edge of arch = 320mm

Max distance (both f&r), centre of wheel to edge of arch = 350mm

By my ready reckoning, that means a minimum distance between tyre and arch of 9mm, max distance = 39mm, or in the measurement and units we've been using above, 24.8" to 26". So my minimum drop at the rear would be 2.25" or 57mm :eek:

So ,,,,,,,,,,,,, all that science means I'm in the right parameters then ,,,,, or does it? :confused:

I cant remember the figures from my instructions, when I was discusing the problem I had KW asked me to simply check from the ground to the wheel arch imediately above the centre of the wheel, probably the 320 & 350 dims you quote + half a wheel.

A small point worth noting, its worth checking your front & rear before you start to try & keep the relationship the same, I lowered the back of mine slightly more as it looked a bit "nose down" , downside to this was it threw the headlights slightly too high, I simply manually adjust them in town to get over it but it was "pointed out !!" at the MOT

A small point worth noting, its worth checking your front & rear before you start to try & keep the relationship the same, I lowered the back of mine slightly more as it looked a bit "nose down" , downside to this was it threw the headlights slightly too high, I simply manually adjust them in town to get over it but it was "pointed out !!" at the MOT

Stu, from memory, this relationship was maintained.

BUT

I must remember (as a trained assassin) to get rid of the sumo wrestler's body before I get the MOT done!

On a serious note, I have to adjust the headlights to compensate for the load I'm carrying anyway. Ain't this what the switch is for?

Yep, the 320 and 350mm are half dimensions, from the center of the rim to the lip of the arch. I think i'll go conservatively to start, i'd no idea the addition of the 18s had raised it up to the extent it has!

I'm still running on OEM stuff wheels!

I'm still running on OEM stuff wheels!

Ah well you'll definately have to go lower when you get the obligitory 18s!

On a serious note, I have to adjust the headlights to compensate for the load I'm carrying anyway. Ain't this what the switch is for?

Yep but a switched on MOT station always sets the lights on the highest setting before testing the lights, thats I gather what they are meant to do

Yep but a switched on MOT station always sets the lights on the highest setting before testing the lights, thats I gather what they are meant to do

Don't think this will affect me as I've maintained the relationship front & rear on the lowering stakes.

Check KWs recomentations before you fit them

I took your advice Stuart, cheers. I e-mailed (cheaper:rolleyes: ) basically asking what the ideal setup was, here's the answer I recieved:

Dear David,

Thanks for buying a KW product!

Here are some answers regarding your questions...

Within the given adjustment area, the car`s performance will always be the same, no matter which height you are going with.

For fast road use a lower centre of balance will be preferred, if you have the chance, go lower than higher.

In general you have to find out the best height for your use as in most cases the garage or speed bumps set the limit of the lowering.

Regarding the height balance front rear, it should be equal in both positions.

Same distance centre of the wheel - edge of the fender would be perfect!

Mit freundlichen Gr

Yep

Ive always found them very helpful & straightforward to deal with

Dear David' date='

Thanks for buying a KW product!

Here are some answers regarding your questions...

Regarding the height balance front rear, it should be equal in both positions.

[u']Same distance centre of the wheel - edge of the fender would be perfect![/u]

Michael Grassl

(Motorsport Sales)

A very professional service I think you'll agree, recommended!

So, what do you deduce from a cunning Mr Grassl reply? :confused:

That for my car, on 18s with 225/40s, the ride height (floor to lip of arch) should be 24.8" minimum, 26" maximum.

So I'm ok with my 26' then (estate). Thank muck for that ,,,,,,,,,, or did the speed speed humps give me a clue ????

Just one question, what difference does the wheel & tyre size make ,,,, if the ground to wheel arch height are the same. :confused:

Just one question, what difference does the wheel & tyre size make ,,,, if the ground to wheel arch height are the same. :confused:

A very good question that one! I'm getting myself confused, it makes no difference at all, the car should always sit at that height (floor to arch). Theoretically if you had a different overall wheel diameter then the resultant 'gap' or clearance between tyre & arch would change (as the quoted 320-350mm takes no account of wheel size). Also, the amount of lowering you get from a particular setup on the coilover will change depending on the width of the wheel (as wider wheels cause the car to sit higher). Does that make any sense at all?