2 minutes ago, Nick_H said:

 

Bloody hell never though of that ! Def back to 2wd for me then next car ....

No need for sarcasm just pointing out something no-one else mentioned. Typical 280 owner response though.

1 hour ago, Nick_H said:

 

Zero slip during acceleration. I've never felt ANY slip from mine at all. Sat on a wet, slippy greasy traffic island and plant the throttle the car just goes. I wouldn't like to try that with 280bhp and front wheel drive.

Yeah, a Cupra 290 struggles. 

Just now, penguin17 said:

Yeah, a Cupra 290 struggles. 

 

Love the Cupra though. Always had a soft spot. Guy on our street had a yellow one years ago looked fantastic.

21 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Avoiding an accident is not just about traction or the tyres fitted to a vehicle. The law of physics explains that stopping a heavier mass will take more energy which leads to longer braking distances for heavier vehicles. A quick example illustrates this nicely.

Two 7 seater SUV's Skoda Kodiaq 187bhp diesel SEL DSG 4WD does 0-60mph in 8.3seconds (good traction) but weighs 1,720kg and took 57.9 metres to stop from 70mph to zero. It averaged 39.3mpg on test.

Peugeot 5008 175bhp diesel GT Line EAT8 FWD does 0-60mph in 8.9seconds (less power poor traction) but weighs 1,540kg and took 48.1 metres to stop from 70mph to zero. It averaged 42.6mpg on test.

All figures taken from issue 1528 Auto Express magazine. Nearly 10 metres is a massive distance and could be the difference between hitting something/someone and avoiding an accident. The 4WD Skoda was 180kg heavier than the FWD Peugeot.

Size and efficiency of braking system would also make a difference, regardless of drivetrain.  I reckon a Porsche Cayenne with ceramic discs, possibly even their standard brakes would stop a hell of a lot quicker than a Fabia with standard brakes.   I know my 280 stops much better than my 150 with the same tyres and the 280 is a touch heavier but does have bigger, vented discs. 

10 minutes ago, penguin17 said:

Size and efficiency of braking system would also make a difference, regardless of drivetrain.  I reckon a Porsche Cayenne with ceramic discs, possibly even their standard brakes would stop a hell of a lot quicker than a Fabia with standard brakes.   I know my 280 stops much better than my 150 with the same tyres and the 280 is a touch heavier but does have bigger, vented discs. 

'11 Porsche Cayenne Turbo (non-ceramic) - 107ft

'12 Skoda Fabia 1.2 TSI  - 114ft

 

Phew, my 'reputation' saved by 7ft 

 

Sources:

 

https://www.which.co.uk/news/2012/05/best-and-worst-supermini-braking-distances-285596/

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2011-motor-trend-sport-utility-of-the-year-porsche-cayenne/

https://www.heinz.co.uk/products/tomato_ketchup/products/heinz-tomato-ketchup

 

 

Edited 22 May, 20197 yr by penguin17

So what do you want to be in with all performance being used taking into account stopping distances.

 

The Superb 150 ps FWD carrying your 4 passengers and luggage having to do an emergency stop from 80 mph.

Doing the emergency stop because the Superb 280 ps AWD Superb in front with just a driver had to do an emergency stop.

 

Which has the best stopping distance?

 

Kerb & Max Gross weights made a lot of difference, as do the brakes fitted and the tyres. 

If only everything in life was as simple as Auto Express articles make things appear.

1 hour ago, Nick_H said:

 

Zero slip during acceleration. I've never felt ANY slip from mine at all. Sat on a wet, slippy greasy traffic island and plant the throttle the car just goes. I wouldn't like to try that with 280bhp and front wheel drive.

 

Most people don't drive onto a traffic island, sit there, then plant the throttle, instead they drive around the traffic islands

 

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, SurreyJohn said:

 

Most people don't drive onto a traffic island, sit there, then plant the throttle, instead they drive around the traffic islands

 

 

 

 

 

You've not seen my driving !! 🤣

1 hour ago, penguin17 said:

Size and efficiency of braking system would also make a difference, regardless of drivetrain.  I reckon a Porsche Cayenne with ceramic discs, possibly even their standard brakes would stop a hell of a lot quicker than a Fabia with standard brakes.   I know my 280 stops much better than my 150 with the same tyres and the 280 is a touch heavier but does have bigger, vented discs. 

I was comparing 2 family SUV's which are circa £35,000 which made it fair, not a £10,000 supermini against a £60,000 Porsche.

1 hour ago, penguin17 said:

'11 Porsche Cayenne Turbo (non-ceramic) - 107ft

'12 Skoda Fabia 1.2 TSI  - 114ft

 

Phew, my 'reputation' saved by 7ft 

 

Sources:

 

https://www.which.co.uk/news/2012/05/best-and-worst-supermini-braking-distances-285596/

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2011-motor-trend-sport-utility-of-the-year-porsche-cayenne/

https://www.heinz.co.uk/products/tomato_ketchup/products/heinz-tomato-ketchup

 

 

Which would you rather rear-ended you the lightweight Skoda or the heavyweight Porker?

23 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

I was comparing 2 family SUV's which are circa £35,000 which made it fair, not a £10,000 supermini against a £60,000 Porsche.

Ah but you had said "The law of physics explains that stopping a heavier mass will take more energy which leads to longer braking distances for heavier vehicles." but it's not as simple as saying the light car will stop before the heavy car as I was trying to illustrate in comparing the Fabia to the Cayenne;  the price or marque of the car was irrelevant in this case, it was simply heavier Vs lighter.   There are so many other variables and one I was thinking of was that some cars simply have better brakes in comparison to others.  In your example of the Peugeot vs Skoda, the Peugeot may just have really good brakes and the weight may or may not be the single limiting/deciding factor in which car stopped first.  

Edited 22 May, 20197 yr by penguin17

@shyVRS245

No point really discussing Porsche's then.

 

Lets compare a Superb 280 PS's stopping distance to a Octavia vRS 245 with 300+ ps and which you want taking you hard from behind on a wet slippy day.

On even the dry.

I personally want neither in the rear of my vehicle with me.

1 hour ago, Nick_H said:

 

You've not seen my driving !! 🤣

He lost  control under heavy braking next to a Fabia 1.2TSi.

10 minutes ago, penguin17 said:

Ah but you had said "The law of physics explains that stopping a heavier mass will take more energy which leads to longer braking distances for heavier vehicles." but it's not as simple as saying the light car will stop before the heavy car as I was trying to illustrate in comparing the Fabia to the Cayenne;  the price or marque of the car was irrelevant in this case, it was simply heavier Vs lighter.   There are so many other variables and one I was thinking of was that some cars simply have better brakes in comparison to others.  In your example of the Peugeot vs Skoda, the Peugeot may just have really good brakes and the weight may or may not be the single limiting/deciding factor in which car stopped first.  

Perhaps it highlights that Peugeot take safety more seriously than Skoda and fit better, more expensive tyres to cars which are designed to carry the whole family including your most precious cargo (children).  We all know how brilliant the Pirelli P7 is on the Superb 280 and why owners don't buy another set of them (they are rubbish).

12 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

He lost  control under heavy braking next to a Fabia 1.2TSi.

 

Yawn...

All depends on the attention and reaction time of drivers, are they chatting on the hands free or hand held or with the fare paying passengers in the rear.

I've previously owned a mark 7 GTI PP with the electrically controlled VAQ differential. Whilst the diff meant you could get the power down much much earlier in a corner, the fronts did not cope well under acceleration unless it was dry. That car had 230ps. 

 

It was the deciding factor for me when I looked at more powerful cars. I would much prefer AWD. This was compounded after a drive of a friend's Golf R. 

 

I think it's different in cars like the latest Civic Type R where they incorporated clever dual axis strut to prevent torque steer. 

 

Also, as a side note, how old/mature are some of the posters here? Some of the chat here is embarrassing to read on what I did find to be great forum. If I wanted bickering I'd go on the Daily Mail website 🙄

'Banter' not 'Bickering' maybe.

'Just here for the banter!'

2 minutes ago, Skoffski said:

'Banter' not 'Bickering' maybe.

'Just here for the banter!'

Hmm. Maybe you're right. I'm post nightshift so probably being a bit grumpy!

3 minutes ago, boydeee said:

Hmm. Maybe you're right. I'm post nightshift so probably being a bit grumpy!

 

Trying to work out what chopper it is in your profile but its a bit too small !

2 minutes ago, boydeee said:

Hmm. Maybe you're right. I'm post nightshift so probably being a bit grumpy!

No you're right.  I shouldn't have got sucked in but I did.  😕

4 minutes ago, penguin17 said:

No you're right.  I shouldn't have got sucked in but I did.  😕

 

Me too P17... Not bite again ...

15 minutes ago, Nick_H said:

 

Trying to work out what chopper it is in your profile but its a bit too small !

 

An S-92 Nick 👍

14 minutes ago, penguin17 said:

No you're right.  I shouldn't have got sucked in but I did.  😕

 

9 minutes ago, Nick_H said:

 

Me too P17... Not bite again ...

 

Sorry folks. I'm a sleep deprived one today. Things annoy me more than they should! God help anyone that gets in my way at Tesco later 😂

@boydeee  Bristow?

Just now, Skoffski said:

@boydeee  Bristow?

Yes sir