'Simply useless vehicle'  if you think you get the ability to fit passengers in all the seats and then fit their luggage to take then to an airport.

(You might need a towbar to tow a trailer but Skoda are Simply Clever and if you have not specced towbar prep then tough, and then others can not have a towbar for a bike rack.

So very not a SUV.)

21 hours ago, Schtum said:

Calling a car an SUV infers that it has some kind of off-road ability which usually comes with AWD.  Buying a tall car which will inevitably suffer from weight transfer to the rear when you take off, especially if you do so quickly and expecting it not to spin its wheels is almost as daft as expecting 

your map of Loch Lomond to be wet.  HTH

 

It's all rather pointless and in the context of this thread meaningless, but SUV has no definition whatsoever therefore it's only relevent to you.

 

Buying a tall car means weight transfer to the rear? Perhaps you should have studied physics - what has a vehicles height got to do with matters?

 

I owned a SEAT Ateca.  Perhaps you can sit down with Alf and come up with a theory why the Ateca I drove never suffered from wheelspin but the Karoq did?

43 minutes ago, Roottootemoot said:

'Simply useless vehicle'  if you think you get the ability to fit passengers in all the seats and then fit their luggage to take then to an airport.

(You might need a towbar to tow a trailer but Skoda are Simply Clever and if you have not specced towbar prep then tough, and then others can not have a towbar for a bike rack.

So very not a SUV.)

 

Because you're so bad at it, I can't work out if that's sarcasm again?

 

Last time I drove someone to the airport all they had with them was an overnight bag so in that respect, the Karoq could accommodate The Walton's luggage. Then again, if the airport you were driving to was Dundee, the Karoq might carry as much luggage as the aircraft itself  

@Scot5

It would help if you said what engine gearbox and drivetrain the Ateca had so that anyone could consider that.

A Yeti  or the Ateca's sister car a Karoq TDI or TSI with Haldex manual or dsg might well not spin its wheels from a start.

 

PS, it was not a slight on the Karoq that can have a Towbar fitted, but those not be able to is really not very SUV.

As in a family or individuals lifestyle vehicle for work rest and play.

Then neither is FWD & wheelspin if trying a bit of a sporty take off..

An Octavia Scout really is more of a SUV as in a Sports or Suburban Utility vehicle rather than a 'Short Utility Vehicle'. without much boot.

Edited 23 December, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

Not a Karoq,  granted, but my Kodiaq is a bigger, heavier and taller version.

 

It has the small petrol engine (1.4 TSI) which is mechanically similar to the 1.5 TSI.

 

Manual gearbox, Hankook tyres and 19" wheels, but no issues with wheelspin.

 

It is possible to break traction the usual way, high engine speeds and a quick release of the clutch pedal, but the Haldex system and / or traction control then kick-in and normal service resumes.

 

Any sudden weight transfer from front to rear isn't noticeable from either of the front seats. 

 

Could the issue with the Karoq be more down to the driver than the vehicle set-up / dynamics?

 

Getting used to DSG or the clutch / accelerator balance when paired with a more responsive little petrol engine like the latest TSI's, or those which have had software updates to resolve the well documented early issues, plus colder temepratures and certain brands of tyres could all contribute to the issue?

 

I really enjoy driving the Kodiaq smoothly, it is very easy to do, not due to my skills,  but Skoda have done a good job with the mating of my engine and transmission (one of the big appeals of the 1.4 TSI during the test drive). Moving from diesel to petrol does take some getting used to.

 

Practice makes perfect?

 

Edited 24 December, 20196 yr by silver1011

25 minutes ago, silver1011 said:

Could the issue with the Karoq be more down to the driver than the vehicle

I wondered that too. 

2 hours ago, KenONeill said:

I wondered that too. 

 

Have you (and Silver 1011) been on a Skoda service reception induction or similar of late?

 

I'm no Skoda fan boy, and level more criticism their way than most.

 

It is simply that I find driving Skoda's / VAG's latest petrol engines smoothly very easy.

 

This isn't me boasting, more a nod to the good job Skoda are capable of achieving.

 

Granted, taking it steady makes driving smoothly much easier, but so does a consideration towards mechanical sympathy, as well as focusing a little more on the task at hand rather than the conversation, radio, phone etc.

 

I'm not saying there isn't an issue here, I am simply saying there might not be.

27 minutes ago, Berisford said:

 

Have you (and Silver 1011) been on a Skoda service reception induction or similar of late?

 

No; all I'm saying is that regular wheel spin is likely at least partly the fault of the driver and not the vehicle (based on multiple makes and models including hire cars, taxis and works pool cars).

The multiple 1.5 TSI / DSG's might well be perfect, then there are the ones that have the 'VW there is no issue issue' that they now accept was an issue.

 

Then there are Eco tyres at Eco Pressures or handed over at Pre PDI pressures and not adjusted down to safe pressures and driven as green tyres and with someone not used to what a 1.5 TSI with DSG can be like.

 

There is many circumstances that can cause someone to think, i have driven for many years and never looked like a total novice. Is it me or is it the car.

Sometimes it can be both.

IME the manual 1.5tsi is one of the easiest cars to drive smoothly, spinning the wheels takes a deliberate and aggressive input that's nothing like regular daily driving! 

On 23/12/2019 at 16:04, Roottootemoot said:

'Simply useless vehicle'  if you think you get the ability to fit passengers in all the seats and then fit their luggage to take then to an airport.

(You might need a towbar to tow a trailer but Skoda are Simply Clever and if you have not specced towbar prep then tough, and then others can not have a towbar for a bike rack.

So very not a SUV.)

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_utility_vehicle

6 hours ago, stever750 said:

IME the manual 1.5tsi is one of the easiest cars to drive smoothly, spinning the wheels takes a deliberate and aggressive input that's nothing like regular daily driving! 

 

Wouldn't agree with that, it's perfectly normal to want to accelerate quickly in today's crowded roads.

 

Such as from junctions, roundabouts and so on and doing so in a perfectly safe manner.

 

I get slight front wheelspin at the moment in my 190 TSI 4x4 but it's very likely due to the winter tyres on at the moment and lack of real wintry conditions (mild wet roads) but other factors play a part.

 

So the engine is one small part of the equation as to why wheelspin occurs and trying to blame an engine and 2wd alone isnt the whole story.

 

What was the road like, what was the road temperature, what was the tyres temperature, what tyres, how much life do they have, what was the weather like, what was the exact amount of acceleration and so on and so on.

Edited 26 December, 20196 yr by Briggo

That's what I'd call normal driving. Making good progress, but not traffic light grand prix stuff. 

13 hours ago, Briggo said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_utility_vehicle

 

 

 

Like I said, a marketing departments wet dream.

 

The Skoda Octavia Scout ticks both the raised ground clearance and four wheel drive boxes, but it ain't no SUV, it's an estate car, just like the Karoq.

 

13 hours ago, Briggo said:

Wouldn't agree with that, it's perfectly normal to want to accelerate quickly in today's crowded roads.

 

I'd agree too, in all but accepting that wheelspin when accelerating quickly is perfectly normal.

 

Assuming there isn't a fault with the car then accelerating quickly without wheelspin is possible with good clutch (manual) and accelerator (DSG) control.

 

Edited 26 December, 20196 yr by silver1011

1 hour ago, silver1011 said:

 

 

 

Like I said, a marketing departments wet dream.

 

The Skoda Octavia Scout ticks both the raised ground clearance and four wheel drive boxes, but it ain't no SUV, it's an estate car, just like the Karoq.

 

 

You correctly quote that there is no definition of what an SUV is, then you go on to say the Karoq is an estate?  Wrong. The common definition of an estate is a car with a long body. So define what constitutes a long body?  The Karoq may be an estate compared to a Skoda Fabia, but then again it might be a hatchback compared to a Kodiaq.

 

Yet again we have armchair experts applying their personal laws to the rest of the planet. Such a waste of time and effort. When I look at the Skoda UK website it lists the Karoq under SUV and the Octavia Scout under estate - so if that's what the designer intended their cars to be then that's the official definition.  It's all very simple.

 

Anyway whether it be an SUV, estate, hatch, van, saloon etc, wheelspin should be the exception under typical use, not the norm.

 

https://www.skoda.co.uk/new-cars/range#outdoor

 

 

2 minutes ago, Scot5 said:

 

You correctly quote that there is no definition of what an SUV is, then you go on to say the Karoq is an estate?  Wrong. The common definition of an estate is a car with a long body. So define what constitutes a long body?  The Karoq may be an estate compared to a Skoda Fabia, but then again it might be a hatchback compared to a Kodiaq.

 

Yet again we have armchair experts applying their personal laws to the rest of the planet. Such a waste of time and effort. When I look at the Skoda UK website it lists the Karoq under SUV and the Octavia Scout under estate - so if that's what the designer intended their cars to be then that's the official definition.  It's all very simple.

 

Anyway whether it be an SUV, estate, hatch, van, saloon etc, wheelspin should be the exception under typical use, not the norm.

 

https://www.skoda.co.uk/new-cars/range#outdoor

 

 

The V5C for my wife's Karoq states that the DVLA class her car as a 5 door estate, go figure.

1 minute ago, Scot5 said:

Yet again we have armchair experts applying their personal laws to the rest of the planet. Such a waste of time and effort.

 

Oh do bore off, by all means add your input but please leave the sarcastic comments to yourself in your own armchair.

23 minutes ago, Scot5 said:

that's what the marketing department wanted their cars to be sold as

 

Corrections inline, bold.

50 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

The V5C for my wife's Karoq states that the DVLA class her car as a 5 door estate, go figure.

Mine too. And on every insurance website search (because that's the official description). An SUV doesn't really exist in Europe, its a US imported concept. 

 

I can't believe that we're arguing such pedantic and irrelevant topics on a boxing day! Surely other more exciting things to do (not aimed at you shy)? 

 

In other news, I haven't found the karoq in forza 4 yet. Hopefully never will...... 

1 minute ago, stever750 said:

Mine too. And on every insurance website search (because that's the official description). An SUV doesn't really exist in Europe, its a US imported concept. 

 

I can't believe that we're arguing such pedantic and irrelevant topics on a boxing day! Surely other more exciting things to do (not aimed at you shy)? 

 

In other news, I haven't found the karoq in forza 4 yet. Hopefully never will...... 

Well I'm on my 5th straight shift at work since 22nd December and I wouldn't describe it as exciting a bit like driving the wife's Karoq after 22,000 miles can't remember one occasion when I got any wheelspin even from a standing start.No offence taken stever750.

I'm going to try a full on launch start in mine, though I suspect a slight chirrup is all I'll get! The DSG implementation sounds at best poor. 

8 minutes ago, stever750 said:

In other news, I haven't found the karoq in forza 4 yet. Hopefully never will...... 

 

That's cos you should have gone retro with PlayStation and WRC 5 instead!

 

Here we have a Skoda Fabia SUV 😂

 

 

Edited 26 December, 20196 yr by silver1011

2 minutes ago, stever750 said:

I'm going to try a full on launch start in mine, though I suspect a slight chirrup is all I'll get! The DSG implementation sounds at best poor. 

The Karoq is such a quiet and relaxing car to drive (now skippy has been banished with the software update applied) you don't feel the need to push it (don't think I've ever been over 100mph in ours) and hence our decent 46mpg overall from our petrol manual 148bhp version like yours in SEL trim.