Looking at both of these for a final time tomorrow, before joining the 52 week lead time group....

After AWD and comparing GT Line AWD to an 80x (Sportline looks to be the only trim). The weather gets wet and the roads twisty around us a lot, so that much torque/power on the back only just doesn't feel right.

 

At the moment I think the EV6 has it, by virtue of lower price on lease, seemingly less annoying controls and better range/charging.

 

Anyone own/spent a reasonable amount of time that can give me an idea for what to look for that you might not normally notice in a test drive.

Also anyone with an RWD EV... how are they in the ice/snow/heavy rain? If it fairly easy to put the back end out if you're not paying attention? I'm thinking the regen braking could make it a bit interesting in poor conditions too.

 

So having driven many electric cars, we've ended up on the first one we drove, which holds a good mix of features and doesn't have the one really annoying quirk of some others.

 

The ID3/ID4/Enyaq all seem to have this interesting behaviour where if you (even very lightly) apply the throttle after lifting off the brakes then your stomach gets the opportunity to empty it's contents on the steering wheel. I think we're probably more sensitive to this than others, as people are clearly buying them, but it wasn't something we could live with.  ID3 was far worse IMHO than the Enyaq, as it seemed to have softer suspension which allowed the car to roll around like a boat when you applied brakes then the accelerator. If I had to guess I'd say that there's something between the regenerative braking and a throttle response that is very on/off which shouldn't be too hard to fix with a software update. It may already be fixed, but there wasn't an update for that.

 

As it is then we've gone and ordered a Kia EV6 on a lease and it's a GT Line AWD.

The drive is good, the car is well equipped, the lease price was more reasonable than most other cars, there is a local (and helpful) dealer, the range seems good and the charging speed is better than most (even if it doesn't get full speed as some say).

 

I really liked the iPace, which was nice to sit in, but slower charging and a bigger battery to do a similar real world range kind of dented that.

When you then added in the much higher purchase/PCP/Lease costs, it was never going to happen.

It seems the computers in the dealers have an EV300 on (As opposed to EV400), which was around 10k cheaper and would possible have swung it in the iPace direction. Having waited 6 months, it's sadly not available in the UK currently, so that's a no go.

 

Cars we tried:

 

 - EV6

 - Ionic 5

 - ID3

 - Enyaq/ID4

 - XC40

 - Jaguar iPace

 - Tried to get a Cupra Born (No such luck)

 - Tried to get a polestar2 (Nearest sales dealer is 200 miles away)

 - Tried to get a Model 3 (But it wasn't easy and then the touch screen put me right off)

 - A few others were sit in them and decide we didn't like them enough to drive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, cheezemonkhai said:

The ID3/ID4/Enyaq all seem to have this interesting behaviour where if you (even very lightly) apply the throttle after lifting off the brakes then your stomach gets the opportunity to empty it's contents on the steering wheel. I think we're probably more sensitive to this than others, as people are clearly buying them, but it wasn't something we could live with.  ID3 was far worse IMHO than the Enyaq, as it seemed to have softer suspension which allowed the car to roll around like a boat when you applied brakes then the accelerator. If I had to guess I'd say that there's something between the regenerative braking and a throttle response that is very on/off which shouldn't be too hard to fix with a software update. It may already be fixed, but there wasn't an update for that.

 

 

As an ID.4 owner, I can't say I recognise that trait.

However, you have chosen a very fine car and one that YOU like, so enjoy the new motor when it arrives. Do you have a delivery timescale yet?

3 hours ago, Luckypants said:

 

As an ID.4 owner, I can't say I recognise that trait.

However, you have chosen a very fine car and one that YOU like, so enjoy the new motor when it arrives. Do you have a delivery timescale yet?

 

The thing is the only cars I have driven are demo cars and almost all currently on fleet are first release vehicles as replacements are hard to come by.

It's never a true show of what the car is like because you have no idea if it's up to date, if they've done a full PDI, tyre pressures or anything else.

 

The ID3 we drove was terrible as it pitched forward under heavier braking then the accelerator was as if you had pushed it down 100% and then car just rocked forward and back. 

The Enyaq much less roll and far better body control (IMHO) it was just after stopping quickly for another car that wouldn't stop, I touched the accelerator and honestly it felt again as if it was full throttle meaning I felt quite sick.

As I mentioned, I have a feeling that we are more sensitive to the movement than average, but I also think there has probably been a software update or something which tones down the accelerator response. It'd be all over the place if what I experienced was normal.

 

The Enyaq also has a very nice cabin though, much nicer than the ID3 (IMHO).

 

EV6 was a good middle ground of range, charging speed and generally a nice car at a fair price.

Delivery time as always is once upon a never never... but current estimate is Q1 2023

 

 

 

Edited 5 April, 20224 yr by cheezemonkhai

Another competitor or is it.

 

 

Perhaps neither until the EV car grants are restored which I hope and expect they will be. EVs are starting to look expensive again and bad value compared to their ICE-hybrid stable mates.

 

I am pricing up an Megane-e against an Arkana and the Arkana is probably much better value if one can live with 0-60 of around 10 seconds rather than the 7 seconds of the pure EV but then you get twice the range in the hybrid and with petrol prices falling like a stone the running costs are narrowing and the 10K premium of the EV, for a slightly smaller car, if it worth it.  One can get 0% finance on the Hybrid but not on the EV.

 

The UK is out of step with the rest of the world and the phasing out of the EV grant has made the choice of ice/hybrid over EV difficult on financial grounds if not the moral ground.   

Companies are snapping them up and those that can afford them with their own money as well and that is all that matters and there is no need to help business users be running premium cars in the UK for actual business.

 

The Government should encourage efficient EV's being purchased and Tax Payers subsidising 'company cars' that really are not for company use but 'dual use' work / family cars was and is a P1ss take. 

 

Some of the cars bought for 'Local Council' / NHS etc , Police / Emergency services management / managers usage is totally inappropriate and it is Staff that have to drive for work and are low paid and using their own transport that should get EV's for work with enough range and free charging. 

The EV grant was just keeping the buy prices higher, with one base model designed to fit just under the old grant bracket.

 

Right now the tax payer shouldn’t be paying private individuals to get EV.  
 

Grants for charging hubs in out of the way and rural locations where companies won’t, possibly tied with rural broadband. If Royal Mail was still state owned all local delivery vehicles on electric, but as it’s not laws to stop all these “self employed” delivery drivers in polluting vehicles.

 

Stop companies taking the pee with BIK free cars as a perk.

 

If the government is going to subsidise cars, they need to be built in the UK from a majority UK supply chain. Otherwise they’re just giving taxpayers money away.

 

 

1 hour ago, cheezemonkhai said:

The EV grant was just keeping the buy prices higher, with one base model designed to fit just under the old grant bracket.

 

Right now the tax payer shouldn’t be paying private individuals to get EV.  
 

Grants for charging hubs in out of the way and rural locations where companies won’t, possibly tied with rural broadband. If Royal Mail was still state owned all local delivery vehicles on electric, but as it’s not laws to stop all these “self employed” delivery drivers in polluting vehicles.

 

Stop companies taking the pee with BIK free cars as a perk.

 

If the government is going to subsidise cars, they need to be built in the UK from a majority UK supply chain. Otherwise they’re just giving taxpayers money away.

 

 

 

 

The EV grant did not exceed the VAT been collected on the car so I think UK government was still getting a net tax receipt from the sale even with the EV grant considered.

 

Make EVs perhaps 5% VAT or zero VAT no there is no EV grant.

 

Target to reduce carbon in to the atmosphere has to be driven forward as fast as we can financial do so and as I say above I do not think EV are currently making sense now.

 

 

Not sure how many companies actually provide cars as the predominant action is to give a car allowance which has its own drawback as my £9k pa car allowance, as everyone else's would to, get mullered by tax so you only get £424 pm or £499 taking out the tax and NI which means Tesla are out of cost range unless one has a car allowance of £1K pm plus.

 

I tried to get a Nissan LEAF 64 kWh about a year ago but there hardly any new ones around and dealers were trying to palm me off with the very low range 40 kWh version which was no good for me so I felt I had to go abroad. 

 

Now with no grant and much worse finance deals, whilst good ones remain on ICE cars, I cannot see me buying a full EV next unless VAT is dropped or EV grant re-instated.

 

This what petrol should cost and can cost in Devon and Cornwall.

 

 

 

Yes and fuel has tanked here too, but actually you need to make ICE more expensive to buy new. Put the new car First year tax up steeply on all ICE cars, bar maybe a few very clean hybrids.