Afternoon all, 

 

I’m considering an Enyaq for my next company car, it would be my first EV. 
 

The only thing really holding me back is that every three weeks I have to drive from Bristol to St Bart’s in London and back, this is a lifetime commitment. I was looking at the range of the 80 and think this is the route I’d go, but I can’t help thinking it might be a massive PITA as there’s only 1 charging point in the NCP we use (Barbican) and I’d be amazed if we could do the trip without recharging. Our reason for this journey is medical and a stressful one, so I don’t want to add additional stress if I can avoid it! 
 

To add specifics, I want to be able to sit at 70mph on the motorway and not have to nurse the thing along at 60, and we have about 95 miles of M4 each way -  I can’t stop for a long charge on the way back, but could possibly stop at Reading services on the way in to charge. 
 

Can anyone provide any input on managing this journey in an Enyaq? 
 

although it’s a company car, this particular journey isn’t claimable so I’m not worried so much about mileage costs as long as it’s not going to more expensive then a petrol vehicle. 
 

hope that makes sense, but really grateful for any input 

 

Thank you.

 

 

Welcome.

 

It looks pretty pathetic for the chargers near the hospital and that NCP is ridiculous. 

That is me looking at ZapMap & PlugShare. 

 

If you just need to get in 20 kWh of a charge & on a 100 kWh+ charger to get back home then it should not be that much of a PITA.

 

Look at the cost of the Rapid chargers (50kW) or 100 kW chargers you would be using to get Rapid or faster charging.

If the rest of the charging at other times then maybe £1 a kWh will not matter,

but £55 for 55kWh and getting even 4 miles per kWh that is 220 miles.

 

If you are paying 60 pence a kWh that would be 10 kWh for £6.00

& if you get 3.5 miles to a kWh then £6 for 35 miles. not great.     £33 for 192.5 miles. 

 

Edited 12 May, 20233 yr by toot

11 minutes ago, toot said:

Welcome.

 

It looks pretty pathetic for the chargers near the hospital and that NCP is ridiculous. 

That is me looking at ZapMap & PlugShare. 

 

If you just need to get in 20 kWh of a charge & on a 100 kWh+ charger to get back home then it should not be that much of a PITA.

 

Look at the cost of the Rapid chargers (50kW) or 100 kW chargers you would be using to get Rapid or faster charging.

If the rest of the charging at other times then maybe £1 a kWh will not matter,

but £55 for 55kWh and getting even 4 miles per kWh that is 220 miles.

 

If you are paying 60 pence a kWh that would be 10 kWh for £6.00

& if you get 3.5 miles to a kWh then £6 for 35 miles. not great.     £33 for 192.5 miles. 

 

Thanks for this,

 

Yes the infrastructure around St Bart’s is rubbish.

 

My home charging rate would be 32p KWH - which is basically the cap rate, so all I’d be worried about is topping up sufficiently to get from Reading services to St Barts, and then all the way home with a sleepy passenger without stopping (hopefully) 

 

My Corsa Electric is going back in August at 3 years old.

I have done 50,000 miles for under £500 with Free charging, low cost public and a few times a month 35-45 pence a kWh charges.

I think i have had the best of much cheapness, and have only plugged in to a 3 pin at home for pre heating.

 

My home tariff as now is 32 pence.  Local Council 50 kW charging still cheap at 23 pence a kWh for a little while yet.

so 40 kWh would be £12.80 and i get 3.5 miles per kWh and that could be 140 miles.  The battery usable for me is just 45kWh, and thats cheap enough, 

but charging away from my home area is getting to be a PITA, unreliable chargers at up to around 50 pence a kWh.

 

Above 50 pence a kWh is where it is not worth the hassle of chargers over just running a petrol or even a Plug in Hybrid for local use.

£20 for 40kWh charge and 135-140 miles.   

Much simpler and less messing about just getting 50 mpg or a bit more with an ICE or petrol hybrid IMO.

 

Edited 12 May, 20233 yr by toot

95 miles makes you a bit closer to London than Bristol doesn't it? 

 

If you've got a charger at home so can afford to get home with not much left, you'd probably be able to do that in an 80 without charging depending on the time of the year (air temperature, water on the road etc).

 

Adding a charge would make it comfortable though. If you could do it on the way back you'd not need to stop very long as with a lower state of charge it will charge much faster. But I don't think you'd need to stop for long on the way just to give you enough for a cushion.

6 minutes ago, snalbansed said:

95 miles makes you a bit closer to London than Bristol doesn't it? 

 

If you've got a charger at home so can afford to get home with not much left, you'd probably be able to do that in an 80 without charging depending on the time of the year (air temperature, water on the road etc).

 

Adding a charge would make it comfortable though. If you could do it on the way back you'd not need to stop very long as with a lower state of charge it will charge much faster. But I don't think you'd need to stop for long on the way just to give you enough for a cushion.

Not sure I follow? Live in Bristol, Bath side, so a few miles of of non-motorway at slower speeds, then circa 95 miles on the M4 - before A4 and painful trek through London to St Bart’s. Round trip is circa 250 miles, but a lot of it is 70mph on the M4. 
 

I get what you saying though, a short charge should work if we leave home with a full battery? 

 

 

Ah, 95 miles of motorway. That makes sense! I should read more carefully! 

 

I think a short charge on a high speed charger will see you through. This is an example plan ignoring traffic and weather:

 

 

In reality you might want to charge a little earlier on the way home, and it might take more than 4 minutes! But it gives you a rough idea.

17 minutes ago, snalbansed said:

Ah, 95 miles of motorway. That makes sense! I should read more carefully! 

 

I think a short charge on a high speed charger will see you through. This is an example plan ignoring traffic and weather:

 

 

In reality you might want to charge a little earlier on the way home, and it might take more than 4 minutes! But it gives you a rough idea.

That’s useful thanks… somewhat optimistic on time!… but useful nonetheless. 
 

So how much impact does stop-start traffic have on battery drain? The traffic 
 

Typical journey time is more like 2hrs 45 mins but varies depending on how early or late we get away! 

This is with no traffic, so assumes you'll sail through London 🤪

 

The smoother you drive in traffic the better, as you'd expect. You do recover energy on braking but obviously never as much as you spend accelerating! My range when I've just been to school and back is not nearly as good as when I go on longer journeys.

 

One thing I love about driving my Enyaq is the adaptive cruise control. On motorways and main roads (anywhere that doesn't have chaotic street furniture/cars/pedestrians) it can do the steering, accelerating and braking for me. Much less tiring. Made my crawl around the M25 yesterday much easier!

 

 

 

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Comparison with traffic and weather enabled... as long as you want to leave at half nine on a Friday night in May 🤣

 

On 12/05/2023 at 20:59, True-blue said:

That’s useful thanks… somewhat optimistic on time!… but useful nonetheless. 
 

So how much impact does stop-start traffic have on battery drain? The traffic 
 

Typical journey time is more like 2hrs 45 mins but varies depending on how early or late we get away! 

Converse to what we think we know from ICE cars, city traffic tends to give better efficiency in an EV, especially if you can be smooth. See the EV database entry for Enyaq 80. I get broadly similar results from my VW ID.4 with the 77kWh battery. (ID.4 is a sibling to the Enyaq)

 

Real Range Estimation between 185 - 380 mi

City - Cold Weather *	255 mi
Highway - Cold Weather *	185 mi
Combined - Cold Weather *	220 mi

 

 

City - Mild Weather *	380 mi
Highway - Mild Weather *	240 mi
Combined - Mild Weather *	300 mi

Indication of real-world range in several situations. Cold weather: 'worst-case' based on -10°C and use of heating. Mild weather: 'best-case' based on 23°C and no use of A/C. For 'Highway' figures a constant speed of 70 mph is assumed. The actual range will depend on speed, style of driving, weather and route conditions.

 

https://ev-database.org/uk/car/1280/Skoda-Enyaq-iV-80

I'm relatively new to this game, and this was my expectation from the calculators - contrary to my petrol experience where after a few weeks of school runs when I go on a long motorway journey I can often get 50 miles down the road without losing a mile off the estimated range!

 

However, in my short experience, the short stop start local runs leave me with much lower range left on the GuessOMeter than when I get on the open - fast - roads.