Hey folks,

Newbie here that's looking for a new estate car, till I found this forum (with its infotainment issues lol) I was set on a Mk4 vrs, only decision was do I do the 1.4 phev or 2.0 petrol. I do around 8k to 10k miles a year, but....

If you had the choice would the infotainment system put you off buying one again, this seems to come up in every other post. Is it a case of every mk4 will fail at some point?

Would I be safer looking at a mk3, albeit I really wanted matrix headlights so I would lose that.

Cheers

The best VRS is the 2.0 petrol mk3 with the clever front diff. Its the same as a mk7 Golf GTI with the performance pack.

3 hours ago, Reeky said:

The best VRS is the 2.0 petrol mk3 with the clever front diff. Its the same as a mk7 Golf GTI with the performance pack.

Do all the Mk3 2.0's get the diff or was it an option, if so what's the telltale to know it has one without seeing the car?

1 hour ago, SpoojyDriver said:

Do all the Mk3 2.0's get the diff or was it an option, if so what's the telltale to know it has one without seeing the car?

As with the Golf GTI, it was an optional extra. As part of the pack you also got bigger brakes and slightly more power, I believe that's it.

Autotrader lists the diff is the specs of the cars which have it. (I think they call it an "electro-mechanical locking differential"

It is called a VAQ Diff, and there are cars out there that did not have them serviced at 3 years / 30,000 miles because Dealership staff never told owners, because Service staff did not know, or would say optional to service.

(Mk4,s the interval was changed to @ 2 years / 20,000 miles.

Others will know about them, i thought standard on 230 / 240,s. But i am often wrong.

All 245s have the VAQ. FL 230s do not have it. The PFL 230 did have it, as the PFL was split 220/230 rather than the FL 230/245 - although the PFL230 came quite late.

Looking at a 230 vs a 245, the latter has the LSD, larger brakes and a bit more power. IMO, it's worth it for the LSD alone.

I debated a Mk4 vs a Mk3.5 for a long time. I liked the Mk4 interior and Matrix headlights, but preferred the look oif the Mk3.5 and how it felt to drive.

Ultimately, I couldn't stand the touch buttons, so went for the latest model 3.5 (Jan 2020) I could find. I don't regret it.

2 hours ago, OccyVRS said:

All 245s have the VAQ. FL 230s do not have it. The PFL 230 did have it, as the PFL was split 220/230 rather than the FL 230/245 - although the PFL230 came quite late.

Looking at a 230 vs a 245, the latter has the LSD, larger brakes and a bit more power. IMO, it's worth it for the LSD alone.

I debated a Mk4 vs a Mk3.5 for a long time. I liked the Mk4 interior and Matrix headlights, but preferred the look oif the Mk3.5 and how it felt to drive.

Ultimately, I couldn't stand the touch buttons, so went for the latest model 3.5 (Jan 2020) I could find. I don't regret it.

Cheers for the informative post mister, appreciate it. So now it's between a 3.5 & a 4 lol. How do you find the later LED lights then on the 3.5. We live in the stix so lights are a bit of a game changer to getting home without going via a ditch lol

Yes - I wouldn't be looking to compare a PFL Mk3 to a PFL Mk4 - there's just too much difference (not to mention the ten years or so inbetween them).

As an aside, you can see the comparison between the Mk4 PFL and FL here. Just like the 3 to 3.5, most of the differences are under the hood.

I should also explain that my Occy is almost the best of both worlds - for me, anyway. Among other things, it has the digi dash and ACC, along with TSR. I get nice features, along with a slightly nicer driving feel. Of course, I also get phyiscal knobs, and the ability to turn all the safety stuff off - permanently. Had I not been able to find one with the digi dash, I would have likely dug around for a Mk4. I just, personally, really dislike the Mk3.5 analog gauges. That said, I also sort of hate the Christmas tree lighting in my car now - I have the 2000s green switchgear lighting, the white infotainment and then the modern digi dash. It does clash a little bit. Whoever specced my car also didn't tick power fold mirrors, which annoys me too.

The interior of the Mk4 is absolutely streets ahead - it's my only gripe with my car, really (beside the tail lights). The newer model has alcantara and such, whereas mine is nasty plastic. Similarly, the new model is full LED with a rear light design from this decade, whereas the half LED/half halogen setup on my car looks like they took it from a Mk1 Fabia. There are bigger issues, but every time I see a 7.5 GTI I do long for some nicer rear lights.

In terms of the headlights, it depends. If you look at the Matrix unit of a Mk4, you will see two units (almost like eyes). By comparison, by car only has one of these units, with the rest of the full beam coming from a different unit in the smaller split headlight. I personally think the Mk3.5 are more than enough - although I do wish I had HBA (High Beam Assist). On a dual carriageway I find full beam too bright, as it reflects too strongly off of signs. Up in the north of Scotland, I find them more than enough too, at whatever speed I'm travelling at.

That being said, they aren't a Matrix system. If headlights are the most important factor for you, then get a Mk4. i weighed up the differences and decided that a better driving experience, with favourable controls and looks outweighed spending an extra £5,000 on a Mk4 (this was early last year).

If I were to choose an Octavia again, I'd still get a 3.5 with options.

The Mk3 vRS petrol is well liked for its solid driving feel and physical controls, though early cars sometimes had timing chain tensioner issues and oil consumption problems. Road noise is also more noticeable, especially on bigger wheels. The Mk4 vRS brings a nicer interior, better insulation, Matrix headlights, and more safety tech, but relies on touch controls that not everyone enjoys. It’s also had reports of infotainment glitches, driver-assist errors, and the occasional coolant leak.

The Mk3 vRS petrol is well liked for its solid driving feel and physical controls, though early cars sometimes had timing chain tensioner issues and oil consumption problems. Road noise is also more noticeable, especially on bigger wheels. The Mk4 vRS brings a nicer interior, better insulation, Matrix headlights, and more safety tech, but relies on touch controls that not everyone enjoys. It’s also had reports of infotainment glitches, driver-assist errors, and the occasional coolant leak.

On 15/09/2025 at 16:45, OccyVRS said:

Yes - I wouldn't be looking to compare a PFL Mk3 to a PFL Mk4 - there's just too much difference (not to mention the ten years or so inbetween them).

As an aside, you can see the comparison between the Mk4 PFL and FL here. Just like the 3 to 3.5, most of the differences are under the hood.

I should also explain that my Occy is almost the best of both worlds - for me, anyway. Among other things, it has the digi dash and ACC, along with TSR. I get nice features, along with a slightly nicer driving feel. Of course, I also get phyiscal knobs, and the ability to turn all the safety stuff off - permanently. Had I not been able to find one with the digi dash, I would have likely dug around for a Mk4. I just, personally, really dislike the Mk3.5 analog gauges. That said, I also sort of hate the Christmas tree lighting in my car now - I have the 2000s green switchgear lighting, the white infotainment and then the modern digi dash. It does clash a little bit. Whoever specced my car also didn't tick power fold mirrors, which annoys me too.

The interior of the Mk4 is absolutely streets ahead - it's my only gripe with my car, really (beside the tail lights). The newer model has alcantara and such, whereas mine is nasty plastic. Similarly, the new model is full LED with a rear light design from this decade, whereas the half LED/half halogen setup on my car looks like they took it from a Mk1 Fabia. There are bigger issues, but every time I see a 7.5 GTI I do long for some nicer rear lights.

In terms of the headlights, it depends. If you look at the Matrix unit of a Mk4, you will see two units (almost like eyes). By comparison, by car only has one of these units, with the rest of the full beam coming from a different unit in the smaller split headlight. I personally think the Mk3.5 are more than enough - although I do wish I had HBA (High Beam Assist). On a dual carriageway I find full beam too bright, as it reflects too strongly off of signs. Up in the north of Scotland, I find them more than enough too, at whatever speed I'm travelling at.

That being said, they aren't a Matrix system. If headlights are the most important factor for you, then get a Mk4. i weighed up the differences and decided that a better driving experience, with favourable controls and looks outweighed spending an extra £5,000 on a Mk4 (this was early last year).

If I were to choose an Octavia again, I'd still get a 3.5 with options.

Wowsa,

Cheers so much for taking the time to reply, appreciate it. I think if I were to go Mk3 over a Mk4 it would definitely be a 2017 on car so facelift version, just to get some slightly newer tech. Digi dash & ACC is on my radar which really narrows the search lol. I had a 2017 Caravelle which had the LED lights so at a guess I would think the Mk3.5 would be at least comparable to that, not Matrix good but probably suffice.

I hear your pain on the mirrors. Our first Audi was an A4 Avant in 2004, bought it as a year old, fully loaded car off a friend, he had spec'd every option he could but... salesman forgot to say rear electric windows were an option so it was fully loaded but with windy handles in the back lol.

Would you not choose an Octavia again with your last statement? Or????

21 hours ago, walterstanley said:

The Mk3 vRS petrol is well liked for its solid driving feel and physical controls, though early cars sometimes had timing chain tensioner issues and oil consumption problems. Road noise is also more noticeable, especially on bigger wheels. The Mk4 vRS brings a nicer interior, better insulation, Matrix headlights, and more safety tech, but relies on touch controls that not everyone enjoys. It’s also had reports of infotainment glitches, driver-assist errors, and the occasional coolant leak.

The Mk3 vRS petrol is well liked for its solid driving feel and physical controls, though early cars sometimes had timing chain tensioner issues and oil consumption problems. Road noise is also more noticeable, especially on bigger wheels. The Mk4 vRS brings a nicer interior, better insulation, Matrix headlights, and more safety tech, but relies on touch controls that not everyone enjoys. It’s also had reports of infotainment glitches, driver-assist errors, and the occasional coolant leak.

If it were to be a Mk3 I would aim for a 2017 Mk3.5 so think from what I have read the niggles were sorted?

Yeah, see so many issues with the Mk4, but then also notice a lot are a few months old with only a couple of infotainment showing it's head as fresh issue

56 minutes ago, SpoojyDriver said:

Wowsa,

Cheers so much for taking the time to reply, appreciate it. I think if I were to go Mk3 over a Mk4 it would definitely be a 2017 on car so facelift version, just to get some slightly newer tech. Digi dash & ACC is on my radar which really narrows the search lol. I had a 2017 Caravelle which had the LED lights so at a guess I would think the Mk3.5 would be at least comparable to that, not Matrix good but probably suffice.

I hear your pain on the mirrors. Our first Audi was an A4 Avant in 2004, bought it as a year old, fully loaded car off a friend, he had spec'd every option he could but... salesman forgot to say rear electric windows were an option so it was fully loaded but with windy handles in the back lol.

Would you not choose an Octavia again with your last statement? Or????

I still would get an Octavia. I was meaning even now, I'd still go Mk3.5 over Mk4 (or 4.5).

I am quite young (as in, take the median age of this forum, halve it, and you probably can still take five from that), but I absolutely love my car. There are faster, bigger, cooler, more practical, better driving and better quality cars out there, but for the money I don't think you can beat the Octavia vRS. I was considering a GTI (230 and PP), Cupra (ST and hatch), S3, R, JCW and others. Okay, so one of the main reasons for choosing an Octavia was the lower insurance, but I'm still extremely happy with my choice.

I drive up to Scotland a few times a year, and recently did it in one fourteen hour hop. The car was amazing. It drove itself most of the way there, being comfortable and having enough space for all our stuff. Once up there, it was put into sport mode and came alive. Okay, it was mapped then (330bhp ish) but it just drives so well. Okay, sure, the road noise isn't the best due to the crappy insulation, and a GTI/JCW/Cupra/etc will all be so much more engaging to drive - but that's missing the point. The Octavia is the most well-rounded of the bunch.

I was recently in an I30N - in a foreign non-extradition country. Several times we were well into triple digits, and all I could think was 'this feels so planted, but I'd hate to go anywhere in it'. I think it's one of the first fast FWD hatches I've been in (besides Occy) and the comparison was interesting. Afterwards, while a tiny part of me was longing for the bucket seats and ASBO (factory) exhaust, I just couldn't shake the feeling that I'd made the right choice with the vRS. It might not have been quite as fast, or as engaging, but it would have been a lot more comfortable and done it all with everything but the kitchen sink in the boot. I think that sums up the Octavia vRS quite well.

If I were to do it now, with insurance being a lesser factor, I would probably push to get a Cupra ST. I love my Octavia and with the LSD it does such a good job of putting the power down, but you just can't beat AWD. In the winter I do notice it, but how often are you trail braking into and booting it around a dual carriageway roundabout? That being said, again, I am saying this from someone probably a lot younger than you, with a very different set of requirements. During my search, I test drove both a GTI PP and an R. Strangely (well, quite commonly after looking online) I much preferred the GTI. It wasn't that I didn't like the R - I did, it was very quick and got off the line instantly - it's just, the FWD with the diff felt more engaging. Less secure, sure, but more fun. I could see the AWD getting a bit boring, unless you were regualrly doing silly speeds. Similarly, I liked the Mk3.5 better than the Mk4 I drove. It felt a bit more analog - in the Mk4, I felt like the front wheels weren't connected to the wheel.

I vastly prefer the feel of Skoda over SEAT/Cupra (I've had both), and think a vRS hatch is just something a little different. It almost feels like an IYKYK car, much like an M340i or Polestar V60. I also like that, around town, the car feels like a minicab. It is quiet, smooth and draws no attention. It's only when I put my foot down do I remember why I bought the car!

I hope I've given you something to work with, from a purely performance/driving standpoint. In terms of 'normal' stuff, um... I get around 38mpg long term, the seats are quite comfortable, there's plenty of space to store things and the controls are easy to use. I'm sure others will be along to offer more.

What don't I like? Well, aside from my strange spec with no power mirrors or heated seats, there isn't that much. The sound deadening/sound system is pretty rubbish, but that's an issue across SEAT/Cupra. Likewise, the infotainment can be a bit crap, but that's an issue across VAG, along with the hateful Soundaktor. The ACC is rather good, but if a car turns off in front of you, Occy will 'see' it for a bit longer, causing you to brake when there is nobody in front of you. Aside from that, and looking at specific Octavia issues - I don't like that the interior lights are different colours, I hate how cheap the door cards are, I wish it had an EPB and full LED rear lights. Performance wise, I also wish it had the same exhaust as the GTI - the Octavia version is totally silent, along with some slightly stiffer rear springs, a beefier RARB and the same aux/DSG cooler setup as on the more powerful MQB cars.

All in all, I am very happy with Occy. I wouldn't change it, and it's the first car I've really liked as more than a lump of metal.

Other cars do certain things better, but the Octavia just does everything really well.

1 hour ago, SpoojyDriver said:

If it were to be a Mk3 I would aim for a 2017 Mk3.5 so think from what I have read the niggles were sorted?

Yeah, see so many issues with the Mk4, but then also notice a lot are a few months old with only a couple of infotainment showing it's head as fresh issue

Most of these issues are to do with MIB3, which is pretty rubbish. I have no real issues with MIB2.5, aside from the occasional CarPlay glitch. Certainly, it wouldn't stop me from getting one.

The EA888.3 has the usual water pump issues. As long as any car you get has had the DSG done at 40k and the VAQ done at 20-30k (if the car is over that) then you should be fine. The DQ381 has it's fair share of issues too, but I've found mine to be very reliable. The boot vents can sometimes leak, as in my Leon, but this is a £40 fix. Likewise with the pan roof becoming blocked. I've found mine likes to ruin it's tracking quite quickly, which is an issue with these cars.

The only two real issues I've had to sort have been replacing a rear caliper (paint flaking - you can just use hammerite) and getting a vibration with the Soundaktor sorted.

Any issue with these cars are shared across the MQB range, so there are plenty of people documenting them.

Hi.

If you need any help with insurance at all for whatever model you're looking at then please feel free to drop me a line.

Regards,

Dan.

On 17/09/2025 at 17:58, OccyVRS said:

I still would get an Octavia. I was meaning even now, I'd still go Mk3.5 over Mk4 (or 4.5).

I am quite young (as in, take the median age of this forum, halve it, and you probably can still take five from that), but I absolutely love my car. There are faster, bigger, cooler, more practical, better driving and better quality cars out there, but for the money I don't think you can beat the Octavia vRS. I was considering a GTI (230 and PP), Cupra (ST and hatch), S3, R, JCW and others. Okay, so one of the main reasons for choosing an Octavia was the lower insurance, but I'm still extremely happy with my choice.

I drive up to Scotland a few times a year, and recently did it in one fourteen hour hop. The car was amazing. It drove itself most of the way there, being comfortable and having enough space for all our stuff. Once up there, it was put into sport mode and came alive. Okay, it was mapped then (330bhp ish) but it just drives so well. Okay, sure, the road noise isn't the best due to the crappy insulation, and a GTI/JCW/Cupra/etc will all be so much more engaging to drive - but that's missing the point. The Octavia is the most well-rounded of the bunch.

I was recently in an I30N - in a foreign non-extradition country. Several times we were well into triple digits, and all I could think was 'this feels so planted, but I'd hate to go anywhere in it'. I think it's one of the first fast FWD hatches I've been in (besides Occy) and the comparison was interesting. Afterwards, while a tiny part of me was longing for the bucket seats and ASBO (factory) exhaust, I just couldn't shake the feeling that I'd made the right choice with the vRS. It might not have been quite as fast, or as engaging, but it would have been a lot more comfortable and done it all with everything but the kitchen sink in the boot. I think that sums up the Octavia vRS quite well.

If I were to do it now, with insurance being a lesser factor, I would probably push to get a Cupra ST. I love my Octavia and with the LSD it does such a good job of putting the power down, but you just can't beat AWD. In the winter I do notice it, but how often are you trail braking into and booting it around a dual carriageway roundabout? That being said, again, I am saying this from someone probably a lot younger than you, with a very different set of requirements. During my search, I test drove both a GTI PP and an R. Strangely (well, quite commonly after looking online) I much preferred the GTI. It wasn't that I didn't like the R - I did, it was very quick and got off the line instantly - it's just, the FWD with the diff felt more engaging. Less secure, sure, but more fun. I could see the AWD getting a bit boring, unless you were regualrly doing silly speeds. Similarly, I liked the Mk3.5 better than the Mk4 I drove. It felt a bit more analog - in the Mk4, I felt like the front wheels weren't connected to the wheel.

I vastly prefer the feel of Skoda over SEAT/Cupra (I've had both), and think a vRS hatch is just something a little different. It almost feels like an IYKYK car, much like an M340i or Polestar V60. I also like that, around town, the car feels like a minicab. It is quiet, smooth and draws no attention. It's only when I put my foot down do I remember why I bought the car!

I hope I've given you something to work with, from a purely performance/driving standpoint. In terms of 'normal' stuff, um... I get around 38mpg long term, the seats are quite comfortable, there's plenty of space to store things and the controls are easy to use. I'm sure others will be along to offer more.

What don't I like? Well, aside from my strange spec with no power mirrors or heated seats, there isn't that much. The sound deadening/sound system is pretty rubbish, but that's an issue across SEAT/Cupra. Likewise, the infotainment can be a bit crap, but that's an issue across VAG, along with the hateful Soundaktor. The ACC is rather good, but if a car turns off in front of you, Occy will 'see' it for a bit longer, causing you to brake when there is nobody in front of you. Aside from that, and looking at specific Octavia issues - I don't like that the interior lights are different colours, I hate how cheap the door cards are, I wish it had an EPB and full LED rear lights. Performance wise, I also wish it had the same exhaust as the GTI - the Octavia version is totally silent, along with some slightly stiffer rear springs, a beefier RARB and the same aux/DSG cooler setup as on the more powerful MQB cars.

All in all, I am very happy with Occy. I wouldn't change it, and it's the first car I've really liked as more than a lump of metal.

Other cars do certain things better, but the Octavia just does everything really well.

Hey you,

Cheers so much again for the in-depth replies :-) I'd be looking at this a bit of a workhorse, probably 8 to 10k miles a year lugging a couple of small tool boxes & a few bits (I'm an Auto-Electrician for my sins :-) ) I decided a few years ago I can quite easily use a car for work, at least I get creature comforts that vans dont give.

I'm not liking modern weasels, far too much to go wrong (spelt cost loads of money), not sure how the Mk3.5 ones fair, or even if they had adblue after a certain age.

We do like sporty stuff, tbh road noise won't be a concern, the misses runs a GR Four Yaris, now there is a noisy road noise car but oodles of fun with immense grip but with the option to turn all nanny aids fully off & it's tricky diffs you can make it a bit tail happier haha. As I say, the Octavia will normally have stuff in the boot so day to day will be pootled about but with the option of emptying it out & having weekend fun.

When you say "mapped then" have you taken that off or just it was mapped by then lol

Thanks again for the replies mister :-)

You can have a mechanical LSD fitted to almost any hot hatch, just google [car] LSD.

Personally, I've given up on all FWD cars, I'm fully subscribed to Subarus. Like @OccyVRS , I'm quite young (22) so found myself in a Legacy Spec.b, rather than a WRX STI, meaning I have the same 245hp as the VRS, but with twice the grip and roughly the same weight, and I love it. The best bit is that it's just as fast in the wet as it is in the dry, ohh, and it was £3000.

Personally, I'd struggle to justify the cost of a relatively new hot hatch - you can buy the ordinary economical version and a Porsche Boxster S or an Impreza STI or whichever other depreciated performance car takes your fancy.

But here are a couple of MK3s Ive found for you with the diff, not sure about you, but this is the one that caught my eye because it's a manual estate in a nice colour.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202509206487024?sort=price-desc&twcs=true&searchId=9c0d7642-f2b7-4689-b32c-b54d3de84dd9&aggregatedTrim=vRS&fuel-type=Petrol&make=Skoda&min-engine-power=200&model=Octavia&page=1&postcode=ll546sh&transmission=Manual&advertising-location=at_cars&fromsra&backLinkQueryParams=aggregatedTrim%3DvRS%26channel%3Dcars%26fuel-type%3DPetrol%26make%3DSkoda%26min-engine-power%3D200%26model%3DOctavia%26postcode%3Dll546sh%26sort%3Dprice-desc%26transmission%3DManual%26flrfc%3D1

For that money, you could buy yourself the slightly older prefacelift VRS diesel, which is also cheaper to tax and much more economical, and a performance car of your choosing, and a trackday or two, or a warranty. If you're happy to buy something with a fair few miles on it, you could get a mk3 VRS diesel, again a blue manual estate, from under £5000. A decent 986 Boxster S, the 3.2, which is the one to have, is about the same, or an Impreza STI for about £7000. The latter will run rings around just about anything in the wet, short of a 911 turbo.

On 19/09/2025 at 16:54, SpoojyDriver said:

Hey you,

Cheers so much again for the in-depth replies :-) I'd be looking at this a bit of a workhorse, probably 8 to 10k miles a year lugging a couple of small tool boxes & a few bits (I'm an Auto-Electrician for my sins :-) ) I decided a few years ago I can quite easily use a car for work, at least I get creature comforts that vans dont give.

I'm not liking modern weasels, far too much to go wrong (spelt cost loads of money), not sure how the Mk3.5 ones fair, or even if they had adblue after a certain age.

We do like sporty stuff, tbh road noise won't be a concern, the misses runs a GR Four Yaris, now there is a noisy road noise car but oodles of fun with immense grip but with the option to turn all nanny aids fully off & it's tricky diffs you can make it a bit tail happier haha. As I say, the Octavia will normally have stuff in the boot so day to day will be pootled about but with the option of emptying it out & having weekend fun.

When you say "mapped then" have you taken that off or just it was mapped by then lol

Thanks again for the replies mister :-)

GR Yaris - now there's an interesting car.

The Mk3.5 (AFAIK) didn't have any significant issues that the Mk3 didn't have. The EA888.3 has the usual water pump issues. The Mk4 uses the EA888 Evo4, which is quite different - however IIRC has the same circulation pump in it.

Map (ECU) is now removed - only the TCU remains. The insurance company wanted silly money, so I decided to head back to stock - for now, anyway. I plan to visit Ecotune within the next year!

44 minutes ago, Reeky said:

You can have a mechanical LSD fitted to almost any hot hatch, just google [car] LSD.

Personally, I've given up on all FWD cars, I'm fully subscribed to Subarus. Like @OccyVRS , I'm quite young (22) so found myself in a Legacy Spec.b, rather than a WRX STI, meaning I have the same 245hp as the VRS, but with twice the grip and roughly the same weight, and I love it. The best bit is that it's just as fast in the wet as it is in the dry, ohh, and it was £3000.

Personally, I'd struggle to justify the cost of a relatively new hot hatch - you can buy the ordinary economical version and a Porsche Boxster S or an Impreza STI or whichever other depreciated performance car takes your fancy.

But here are a couple of MK3s Ive found for you with the diff, not sure about you, but this is the one that caught my eye because it's a manual estate in a nice colour.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202509206487024?sort=price-desc&twcs=true&searchId=9c0d7642-f2b7-4689-b32c-b54d3de84dd9&aggregatedTrim=vRS&fuel-type=Petrol&make=Skoda&min-engine-power=200&model=Octavia&page=1&postcode=ll546sh&transmission=Manual&advertising-location=at_cars&fromsra&backLinkQueryParams=aggregatedTrim%3DvRS%26channel%3Dcars%26fuel-type%3DPetrol%26make%3DSkoda%26min-engine-power%3D200%26model%3DOctavia%26postcode%3Dll546sh%26sort%3Dprice-desc%26transmission%3DManual%26flrfc%3D1

For that money, you could buy yourself the slightly older prefacelift VRS diesel, which is also cheaper to tax and much more economical, and a performance car of your choosing, and a trackday or two, or a warranty. If you're happy to buy something with a fair few miles on it, you could get a mk3 VRS diesel, again a blue manual estate, from under £5000. A decent 986 Boxster S, the 3.2, which is the one to have, is about the same, or an Impreza STI for about £7000. The latter will run rings around just about anything in the wet, short of a 911 turbo.

True, however sticking a Wavetrac unit in isn't exactly the cheapest solution. Mind you, having driven a Mk7 GTI, I didn't exactly notice the torque steer.

The TDI's are a good car - depends if you value economy enough. There's a company called Darkside (Barnsley way) that can do some very cool things with diesels, for not a lot of outlay. I'm not really interested or knowledgeable about the TDI vRS', so someone else will have to let you know about those. FWIW, my long term average MPG on my car is around 38mpg. That is with plenty of both economy driving and fun.

Given the Yaris, I'd say a 245 is the best bet - I think a TDI will just feel rather dull (although, you can get AWD with that engine!). At that point though, I'd probably look at the hybrid. My girlfriends father has a Passat GTE - it's pretty good, and a similar drivetrain.

I get that you already have the fun car - this is just a jack of all trades option. Final offer would be to ditch thge Yaris, and get a mint condition B9 S4!

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