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Not using 505.01 Oil on a PD TDI... a problem?

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Currently using Comma Prolife 5w-30 Fully Synthetic Oil:

http://www.commaoil.com/Product%20%20Shots/Oils%20&%20Lubricants/prolife.gif

Fully synthetic high performance 5w-30 specially developed for Audi, VW, Seat & Skoda cars including those on long life service regimes. It provides ultimate protection with exhaust treatment devices such as diesel particlate filters and catalytic converters.

Service Classification: ACEA A3 B4 C3

Meets requirements of: VW 504 00/ 507 00 Long Life Service

It is not 505.01, does this really matter in UK climates?

Advice appreciated!

ps. Next time I will gor for this: http://www.commaoil.com/Product%20%20Shots/Oils%20&%20Lubricants/diesel-pd.gif

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Found this:

The 505.01 engine oil is specifically formulated to ensure protection of the cam lobes that drive the unit injectors. High loading requires the proper level of antiwear protection. In turn VW needs to ensure that

505.01 is utilized for this engine design. The cam shafts are mechanically driven and assist in the build up of fuel pressure in each injector.

Castrol Germany is supplying Castrol 505 01 and this product is only available in North America through VW dealerships. It is branded as Castrol 505 01 oil and has a VW part number (G 052 167A2).

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507.00 is superior to 505.01 IIRC.

507.00 is superior to 505.01 IIRC.

:agree: The long-life PD stuff can be used in place of the standard stuff, but not the other way round (unless you go to fixed-interval servicing...)

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So 507.00 Long Life Oil is OK and better then 505.01?

So 507.00 Long Life Oil is OK and better then 505.01?

As far as I'm aware, yes. A search on here should confirm it...

Yes 507.0 is for all derv cars,

506.1 is fine for all derv cars without a DPF

and 505.1 can be picked up a lot cheaper than both,

Millers do a 505.1 and a 507.0 (replaced the 506.1). The price difference is between £10 and £20, depending on where you buy from, for a 5L bottle

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I just changed the 5w30 507.00 oil in my car for some new 5w40 505.01 to be safe... a good idea I hope as it was an expensice engine flush! The 507.00 oil had done just 60 miles! :)

I just changed the 5w30 507.00 oil in my car for some new 5w40 505.01 to be safe... a good idea I hope as it was an expensice engine flush! The 507.00 oil had done just 60 miles! :)

I say :eek:

If you changed the filter as well you're looking at about £1 a mile for that oil change.

The VW 507 is a much higher quality oil than the VW505.1 and would have been absolutely fine.

The VW506.1/507.0 can be used in the 1.9PD and 2.0PD engines for long life servicing. (Except the VRS fabby as that doesn't do long life service). Sure that would be fine in the 1.4TDI too as it's essentially a 1.9 missing a cylinder and a few other differences.

I'd have left it in for the normal service interval if it was my car.

I just changed the 5w30 507.00 oil in my car for some new 5w40 505.01 to be safe... a good idea I hope as it was an expensice engine flush! The 507.00 oil had done just 60 miles! :)

Replacing the highest spec available with a lower spec product.To be safe?

Why??:confused:

Replacing the highest spec available with a lower spec product.To be safe?

Why??:confused:

Check out some of the OP's other threads.... things may become clear then.

Just FYI Ive used Castrol Magnatec D on the VAG PD units for all of my 60-70k in it and the next owner has just done exactly the same - car now up to circa 120k.

Oil is oil its the correct viscosity and it is changed frequently.

Just FYI Ive used Castrol Magnatec D on the VAG PD units for all of my 60-70k in it and the next owner has just done exactly the same - car now up to circa 120k.

Oil is oil its the correct viscosity and it is changed frequently.

No, the PD injectors and the items that drive them require very high lubrication from a very small amount of oil.

I can assure you that oil is not oil.

An XUD unit ran on whatever oil was stated would come out really nasty almost powdery at 5kish. The Millers XFD would come out still free running and not at all powdery at that mileage.

A 306 XUDt with 150k (ish) miles on it and had all the oil changes done on mobile 1 0w40 as opposed to any old 10w40. The engine was to quote the garage "like new internally" even at that mileage.

The base oil is the same if you have a mineral oil.

On a semi it is probably a similar/the same base oil plus a lot of additives that enhance performance in certain ways.

Fully synthetic oils are usually basted on highly cracked and tightly controlled hydrocarbon molecules with specific characteristics. This allows the oil to behave in a very predictable way.

You try running a PD engine on Castol GTD or GTX and then have fun when it doesn't behave. Sure it might be ok if you change every 5k miles but it might not. Why not just pay a bit more for the right oil and change every 10k as stated in the book?

Oil is Oil.

Brilliant.

I've been wasting my time buying the stuff specified by the manufacturer for the past 20 odd years then.

Just FYI Ive used Castrol Magnatec D on the VAG PD units for all of my 60-70k in it and the next owner has just done exactly the same - car now up to circa 120k.

Oil is oil its the correct viscosity and it is changed frequently.

When the engine reaches about 130k to 140k the topend will let go :rolleyes:

Just FYI Ive used Castrol Magnatec D on the VAG PD units for all of my 60-70k in it and the next owner has just done exactly the same - car now up to circa 120k.

Oil is oil its the correct viscosity and it is changed frequently.

Oil is NOT oil and not using the correct spec as discussed many times on here and other forums is vitally important. I appreciate that your own experiance might dictate a somewhat different approach bit perhaps you should have left it there.

You were right about frequent changes though, it's the key to an engine's long life but the day of just chucking anything in went when they stopped making the A - Series. It's also going to cost you more changing every 5k with £20 oil than it is changing every 10k with £30 oil.

It was better when you weren't saying anything. You couldn't just disappear again could you?

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Yes it was an expnsive mistake :) Or real professional engine flush ;)

I feel happer with the 505.01 rather then the VW507 as this is what is recommended for the 10k service intervals (on the PD 1.4 TDI) which I follow anyhow. The oil characteristics may have been different too, which is too risky to chance.

What is service interval on the VRS 1.9 PD TDI, less then 10k?

Thanks for advice all!

The VRS service interval is 10 or 12k (I forget which but think 10)

The VW507 surpassed the 505.1 and would actually been better for your engine, especially in the colder weather being a 5w rather than 10w.

Either way, like you say an expensive engine flush, but the 505.1 will be just fine.

When I said change it frequently I mean @ 10k.

When I said change it frequently I mean @ 10k.

If you use Magnatec and change it every 10k I get the impression that won't be pretty come 100k+.

That stuff used to come out of an XUD pretty nasty after 5k.

  • 10 years later...

Any expert advise on my dilemma! Since this post is about 10+ year old, somebody might have some solid conclusion!
 

 

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