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Even the 77 kwh battery got a respectuble range in a recent carwow test against similar cars. Well done Ford in several respects.

I think the Ionic full electric is minimalist in all direct and that leads it to being efficient in energy per mile. Its motor is supposedly 100 Kw and Torque actually quite high but it only does 10 second 0 -60. It tends to have sensible wheels ie not 17 inch and wider than 205s and that Drag coefficient of 0.25 really helps when one gets over the double nickel of 55 mph. Most other EVs are designed to sell in the showrooms, ie look good with bigger wheels and aggressive bodywork that looks good but actually detracts for good miles per kWh. The Hyundai IONIC was designed to steal sales from the Prius following a similar body shape and trying to sell the hybrid versions but do not think that really took off and I would much rather be in the back of a Prius taxi than a Hyundai one as the Toyota just seems more roomy and proper than the Ionic which just feels more cramped particularly in the back. If they did slot a 45 to 55 kWh battery in there it might be quite awesome but the new ionic ie 38 kWh only charging at 30 kWh when it hits 66% charged is not great and some people preferring the older 28 kWh car for some journeys is weird. Hyundai do not seem to be pouring technical efforts in to plain ionic rather than the 5, shame. Did consider one but discounts did not seem to be great or finance. Very good car spoilt by small battery and low summer range but decent winter and cooler weather range through efficient electricity management and aero drag coefficient close to Teslas. One clear winner, not really Bjorn, all fairly good when consider)

I think what is meant that if an IONIC can go 5 miles per kWh, a Zoe 4 miles per kWh and a LEAF say 3 miles per kWh and the IONIC and Zoe can charge at 45 kWh but the LEAF can charge at say 65 kWh then the when the IONIC is attached to it charger and the LEAF to its then despite the LEAF being able to charge faster the IONIC is adding more mile for each minute it is connected to the charger than the LEAF even though it is receiving more charge in KWhs per minute the range is going up less quickly as the LEAF is relatively inefficient. The IONIC has a good aero shape and a very good electricity management system to control and minimise power to those internal systems I do not believe that it has some magically better efficient motor just better shape and very good lecky sub systems. I have not heard of an IONIC doing 300 miles ie not even close to the 425 miles the Zoe set a few months ago in the UK, 475 with special tyres.

Put my lad on the Zoe insurance as I am just not using the car as much as I thought I might but he can use it daily for his 11 miles to work and 1 miles back. Think we likes it, compared to the 90 hp diesel Fabia, but he had only been getting 2.9 miles per kWh and therefore range of getting down to 150 miles, far cry from the near 250 miles the Zoe's WLTP range is published and advertised. Still much better than the 55 to 60 mpg he was getting out of the diesel Fabia at nearly £7 a gallon ie nearly £3 a day on fuel compared to about 50p of electricity. The car demisting so quickly he really likes and it frees up the diesel so I can do the long run down to Plymouth where it will hopefully get close to its 80 mpg and is what best at. Going to need a Tesla-like car to do those long journeys I am presuming.

Ah but where does it go when the temperature drops 10 or 15 C and your battery capacity goes down from 50 kWh to 40 kWh ? 36 MJ of energy, just disappearing ? Frost Giants ?

It is all about getting the battery warm ie circa 20C as that is when it electrical capacity is proper. A per my graph this really low temperatures give a really low feedback on capacity ie range. In these winter condition we really need to warm the car/battery up loads to give it the range or drive a bit and give it that kick of current to warm the battery pack up and get it to 20 C pack temperature. It would be fine if we could store the car in a toastie garage and then just drive in to the cold air I think we would hardly see any winter affect other than genuine consumption via the heat pump, wipers, lights etc and a little bit of driving through the wetter colder air which is a little more dense.

Report him for leaving the seen of an accident and best report the pain from the strain of the handlebar jarring when he broke your mirror out of the brake bracket I suggest. PNC is not accessible directly by the public but police should help as will the insurance for your bike and personal injury damage.

Indeed, the 898 cc TCE Renault is\was a good engine and with ECO mode is a capable of high 60 mpg on the computer and in the Twingo GT was putting out 109 hp. Always ran my Dacia Logan on 95 Tesco and it did well and got it up to 115 on one occasion. E10 has 2% less energy value than E5 petrol so one has to expect one or so less mpg. If people buy more E5, or even the Esso with no ethanol, then Uk government may have to tweak the taxation levels to encourage E10 use if it really is better for the environment.

I do recall those results and recall the battle I had with my expenses claims department telling them the Fabia VRS Twincharge should have 98+ octane and that was the economical choice for that car. Many of the other fuel card holders were putting in 97,98,99 octane in their cars which were designed to run OK on 95 octane. Back in these days 5% Ethanol applied to 95 and the higher octanes. Been reading lots of stuff on the E10 and putting in alternate high octane, low ethanol, especially the Esso 99 which has no ethanol, is looking more attractive or for a second choice Tesco Momentum 99 as always. Not sure the Clio 900cc, 90 hp is going to be that fussy but worth a feel test.

Putting on winter tyres does one then ignore the tyre pressure sensor shouting it cannot find the pressure valves to talk to or get a second set (pricey ?) or what ?

Top tip, hope it works similarly on the Zoe, probably will. I have been getting up to my old DSG trick in hyper-miling by putting Zoe in to neutral on some long slopes as I think it might still be the most efficient travelling under gravitational pull.

I do like the AC supplies around all the way from 3.6 kWh right through to 22 kWh and I have yet to use a 50 kWh DC connector as I have a fear that every time I do will take a slice off the traction battery's capacity so looking to use the trickle 3.6 kWh charger I have at home as much as possible or the same one I have at my office at Heathrow which seem to only provide 3.6 kWh where marked as single or 3 phase. I am thinking I will only occasional, once or twice a month push the battery up to 100% where it does its cell balancing as again I do not think I will push the usual charging I do to over 85 % as reports I read so do not do this in the depth of winter or as a regular event most of the year, perhaps except high summer, and the battery regen does not work in the 90 percents which is so important getting good miles per kWh. The more one thinks about it the big conclusion I have is that charging during the day is best after a commute and not charging overnight to 100% as the temperature is falling. will still search as to what is an ideal charge rate to get that several thousands recharges over the cars anticipated decade plus life but is that even the right thing to do as one hears of Nissan LEAFs getting a replacement battery from 22 or 30 up to 40 kWh is it not likely their will be a 75 kWh Zoe battery replacement in a few years which would be epic. What is a boy to do.

Any hydrocarbon fuel used as road fuel or heating fuel is liable to excise duty, £0.5795 in GB and here is your rate in Ireland. https://www.revenue.ie/en/companies-and-charities/excise-and-licences/excise-duty-rates/mineral-oil-tax.aspx I work with Revenue Ireland quite a bit on customs & excise issues and find them very approachable hence I deal with them on EU issues as we share a common language, my Gaelic is not to good sadly. Why is using an EV unsuitable in Ireland for your commute ? You can charge at 9 eurocents per kWh at night time so run a cheap second hand EV at less than 2 eurocent per mile ? As an ex-Excise Officer who has seized cars in my past for using red/green marked diesel as well as for bootlegging/smuggling and as Revenue Ireland has many similar working rules as Revenue and Customs GB I would certain suggest compliance to the law else you will both lose your diesel vehicle and be penalised. As an ex-marine engineer who trained as a diesel engineer I love diesel engines more than most but their time is ending and we must move on.

It defies the laws of thermodynamics. I am fearful of charging my Zoe, particularly the last 10% or so, in fear of doing some chemical long term damage but if the vehicle is not as advertised then whacking it on the chargers and if it does shorten the battery life and one can force the maker to replace or repair the battery back then that is what should happen I suppose. Renault promise battery will be at least 80% after 4 years and still have 70% life at 8 years I understand. True battery is 55 kWh in the Zoe but the lower 52 kWh amount is accessible by the user in the normal ways. After Renault's moves on withdrawing safety equipment due to chip shortages, and looking at most the old car company share prices one wonders who and what is going to be around at the end of this decade ?

Surely this is not proper and Vauxhall /Stellantis should not pretend this is acceptable under the Sale of Goods Act in the UK ? They should offer or make provision to sell the Nordic version (which I presume they have as Renault and other do) with battery heater as it clearly needs it in Northern Scotland to operate as and effective mode of transport I expect you agree ? Article on SpeakEV echo your report but it does not make the flashing up of the display showing 99 miles or less on car given a WLTP range of over 200 miles that becomes less than half, reported, when a bit less than zero Celsius, maybe if it was lower than -20C I might accept this but zero and a bit below if not uncommon in the UK. Again, perhaps we should be offered the cold climate battery warming option, or it should be standard, for the UK market. https://www.speakev.com/threads/translated-norwegian-test-of-corsa-e-range-in-summer-and-winter.163786/ &

Do you mean 168 miles of range starting at 98%, surely not 68 miles ?? Either way 98 or 198 the range calculation of these EV's seems to be a bit too wild on their predictions. For our smaller EVs surely 2.5 miles/kWh is hard to get lower than unless one is driving like one stole it. The whole matter of lower range in the cooling weather create questions that is not brought to attention of the new owners. Whilst there is little point keeping the battery at 100% as the colder weather rolls in and the battery will "lose" power if it is left outside in the ambient external temperature but this can be somewhat countered if one starts the pre journey charge at a point just before when it is calculated to top the battery off from where it is showing to be to 100% as the charging process will warm the battery and get it to accept as much charge as possible at this somewhat elevated temperature and then, of course, to "pre-condition" the climate (and battery partly), by switching on the climate system half hour before journey start whilst still connected to the main charger. There seems to be loads of news about the lithium batteries of cars being cooled during charging, as the Hyundai/Kia seem to need as they will only run at the 200 kwh charge rate for a new minutes at a time before running cooling processes at the charge rate to drop well below 100 kWh and then only to click back up to over 200 kWh when the cooling bring the temp back down to well below 50 C presumably. Also the charge rate of the new standard range Teslas ie without the cobalt, is charging at the rates I would expect from the Zoe. Totally loved driving and owning the Zoe but I cannot recall and other time just how much brain has had to work to plan and think through journeys when one relies on a EV, especially in winter. My Clio has gone out to one daughter whilst she works at Alton and my son has been using the Fabia so I only have the Zoe and that is a slightly scary situation to be left with a car that is saying it may not be able to do the 175 miles down to Plymouth where elderly relatively lives and I want to be able to get their in 3 hours or less. Food for thought and I thought international logistics and customs were quite complex !

So what range does the e-corsa approximately show when you are starting journeys with the ambient around the zero degrees ? I am somewhat surprised, despite my pre-buying research, that the reported range the Zoe tells me goes down as much as it is showing with the lower temperatures. My reported miles per kw has dropped from near 5 miles per kw in the warm early September weather to the range of 3.5 to 4, 3.5 miles per KWh is I am driving at neat Motorway speeds and 3.5 miles per kWh if I am cruising at 50/55 on the A roads. https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Effect-of-temperature-on-Li-ion-battery-capacity_fig2_330142356 What I am surprised at is that manufacturers should honestly say that their battery capacity is say 50 kWh at 20C but only 80% of that at 0 C and 50% at -20C temperatures. I can now understand why our engineers at Bollore keep our batteries at 50C or so, thermal insulate them and keep them cooking at these temperatures when the vehicle is expected to be ready for use, but the is for Lithium Metal Polyimide rather than Lithium-ion. Whilst manufacturers have been honest about the winter range they have really fully explained than in comparative terms one "fuel" tank shrinks to three quarters size when cold and maybe down to half when very cold. Perhaps the solution is to keep the EV in room temperature garages at home and work and make sure the battery pack stays at 25 to 40 C when running on the road ??

Update from UK sales guy giving useful details.............. (Includes a right of reply from Renault ).

Actually only took it out in early September when I got the Zoe. So later summer or early autumn I suppose.

Martin Lewis was on the radio this afternoon and was saying gas could go up another 40% in April 2022. Need to convert water heating for hot water tank to lecky I reckon. Indeed when the winter of 2022/23 hits, in combination with supressed wages due to the NI hits and record personal taxation level will leave millions with much less disposal, or even overstretched income and outgoings may lead to people selling their homes as they can no longer afford to live there.

For some reason they only test the lower spec Zoe model and not the GT LIne or Riviera which I understand buyers tended to go for as the higher spec machines actually worked out about the same cost as the residuals were much higher ie the ones with the DC charging as standard and of course Emergency Braking. My Riviera, based on the GT line has the below spec and frankly I think it has plenty of safety equipment, the shell is almost the same as the mark1 / 2 that got Five Star NCAP in 2013 whilst in continued in to the mark 3 ZE50 the Zoe is probably in its last year as the new Renault 5 will replace it shortly. I would be happy with a Dacia Spring too, I have not heard it is definitely coming to the UK ie being made in RHD. My Zoe spec.at the bottom ... Sad if Renault removed the AEBS due to lack of parts and I hope buyer saw this and bought the GT LIne or Riviera models instead with the AEBS, lane departure, blind spot etc. Enjoying the Zoe but looking forward to the Megane-e. Rating Validity (Euroncap ) Variants of Model Range Body Type Engine Model Name Drivetrain Rating Applies LHD RHD 5 door hatchback 80 kW electric LIFE 41 kWh 4 x 2 5 door hatchback 80 kW electric ZEN* 4 x 2 5 door hatchback 100 kW electric ZEN 4 x 2 5 door hatchback 100 kW electric INTENS 4 x 2 5 door hatchback 80 kW electric LIFE 50 kWh 4 x 2 RENAULT ADDS THE RIVIERA LIMITED EDITION TO THE 100% ELECTRIC ZOE E-TECH RANGE Renault intrroduces the Rivieera Limited Edition to the multi award-winning Zoe E-Tech range Only 300 to be produced for the UK Based on the top of the range GT Line – the best-selling version of the 100% electric Zoe E-Tech Comprehensive standard specification enhanced with the fitment of hands-free parking Renault is adding an extra dash of exclusivity and glamour to its multi award-winning Zoe E-Tech range with the announcement of the Riviera Limited Edition. Based on the top-of-the-range GT Line, which is the best-selling version of the Zoe E-Tech, the Riviera Limited Edition is as attractive as its namesake suggests thanks to unique exterior touches and enhanced equipment. What’s more, with only 300 of the limited edition set to be produced for the UK, it’s certain to be even more sought-after. The Riviera Limited Edition stands out with the additions of Midnight Blue Metallic I.D paint, all-new 16-inch ‘Seidon’ diamond-cut alloy wheels and painted white body stripes, all of which are exclusive to the new arrival. It is the first time that Metallic I.D paint has been offered as standard on Zoe. The extensive standard specification of the GT Line is further enhanced in the Riviera Limited Edition with the fitment of hands-free parking, the semi-autonomous parking aid ensuring the 100% electric supermini is even easier to manoeuvre. Also standard are full LED headlights with LED daytime running lights, 10-inch TFT Driver Information Display with 9.3-inch EASY LINK infotainment system incorporating satellite navigation and smartphone integration, Apple CarPlay™ and Android Auto™, automatic air conditioning and part recycled cloth part synthetic leather upholstery A comprehensive list of safety and driver assistance features include front and rear parking sensors with rear view camera, Lane Keep Assist and Lane Departure Warning, Automatic Emergency Braking System (AEBS), Blind Spot Warning, speed limiter and cruise control. Customers of the Riviera Limited Edition enjoy all the usability of the normal Zoe, with a range of up to 238 miles (WLTP) and its 52kWh battery being able to be charged to 80% in just one hour and ten minutes. As with the rest of the Zoe E-Tech range, which encompasses Play, Iconic and GT Line versions, the Riviera Limited Edition can be purchased at any official Renault dealership. The Zoe Riviera Limited Edition is available to order now and is priced at £32,295 OTR after the Plug-in Car Grant. Zoe models are backed up by Renault’s five-year/100,000-mile warranty, plus an eight-year/100,000-mile warranty for the EV 50 battery. ENDS ult introduces the Rivi

I am currently paying 14.9p plus VAT ie 15.65 for normal electricity and 4.76p plus VAT for 0030 to 0430 electricity ie 5p per kwh. Gas is 3.64 p per kwh. This is with Octopus GO due to the EV charging during the late night period and the Flexible Octopus for gas. Wondering if I should go fixed for gas but Martin Lewis says do not change but also that April could at 40% rise in rates.

The latest Tesla batteries do not use cobalt batteries in much of their cars. It is possible to use no rare earth minerals at all.

I think my friend's FS1E was just before the restriction kicked in and he was and we were all Merchant Navy Engineering students so we had access to all the lathes, milling machines and hand tools we needed/wanted. The Fizzy was not running an expansion chamber and not even ported I recall, ie lifting the top edge of the exhaust port and widen it slightly but the head was skimmed to optimise ie blue print the squish band of the head to the optimal few thousands of an inch. Internal channels in the head and entry in to the exhaust smoothed and stepped as well as the inlet side, K&N and rejetted up one or two jet sizes. Seem to recall it was pre-mix rather than side tank of two stroke oil for the total loss lubrication system. Tyres up a the max. Brakes were the scary bit as cannot remember if it was a DX but a recall they were grabby as sintered brake pads and shoes were only just coming in. 50 mph to a long time to achieve as that 40 to 50 mph.

The Fizzy could go two up and got to 50 mph eventually but was killed off by the madness to restrict 50cc bikes for 16 year olds as only being able to so 30,, 31,32 oft meant being squeezed in to the gutter which was more dangerous than going fast. Even the Fizzy could be ported, compression ration raised, better ignition system to get another 20 or 40% power. Last bike I had of this type was a Derbi, part of PIaggio, which was a GPR50RR. 9 hp from 50cc. Also enjoyed the MBX80 with its 179 cc and its 11.5 hp..... I think the cheap Chinese bikes have killed off the Japanese screamers as well as killing off two strokes due to US emission laws. Hard for electric bikes to compete with such cheapness for hard up 16/17 year olds.