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Sadly we have not the roads, or rather laws and police enforcement, to properly fully use our cars. I have the 110 Kw version of the 1.4 TSI Octy 3 and it should be able to show well over 225 kph on the speedo on a good quite bit of motorway. Had an Octy 2 petrols vrs with the 147 kw unit and that was still puling like a train with 240 kph on the speedo. The Octy is a wonderful stable and aerodynamic platform no wonder it was chosen and achieved the sub 2 litre Land Speed at 367 kph. New mark 4 Octy, with its incredible Aero drag coefficient of 0.24 will help it sip fuel whether it is E10 or E5.

Not sure I would want to try and join an unrestricted part of the Autobahn with less than much 100 kWs. Usually travelling in a A6 or Golf. The manager in the Frankfurt office changed to Skoda K something and oh my God it did feel far less safe changing lanes at 200-220 kph. Mind you this guy did quite well in a 66 kw mk 3 fabia same as one my cars, respect. 3:20 in on this wierd video. Figure is on the speedo and not GPS but would have thought it is a good 190 kph. Diesel, I presume, is still dinosaur juice rather than plant extract so not running in to these lowering of spec issues ?

You mean Lexus who have less than 1% of the UK market and have declined 15% since last year. You may have spotted the reason for the failure ! Why are people not buying new cars I wonder ? This year looks even worse than last and I thought we were all getting back to driving. Is the chip shortage killing new sales that much ? JULY % Change MARQUE 2021 % Market share 2020 % Market share Abarth 270 0.22 213 0.12 26.76 Alfa Romeo 114 0.09 185 0.11 -38.38 Alpine 9 0.01 10 0.01 -10.00 Audi 10,184 8.26 12,017 6.87 -15.25 Bentley 103 0.08 158 0.09 -34.81 BMW 7,863 6.38 11,446 6.54 -31.30 Citroen 1,858 1.51 3,330 1.90 -44.20 Cupra 593 0.48 0 0.00 0.00 Dacia 1,688 1.37 2,558 1.46 -34.01 DS 235 0.19 228 0.13 3.07 Fiat 1,613 1.31 1,949 1.11 -17.24 Ford 8,567 6.95 18,814 10.76 -54.46 Genesis 27 0.02 0 0.00 0.00 Honda 2,837 2.30 3,322 1.90 -14.60 Hyundai 5,959 4.83 5,425 3.10 9.84 Jaguar 1,288 1.04 2,746 1.57 -53.10 Jeep 517 0.42 555 0.32 -6.85 Kia 7,829 6.35 9,110 5.21 -14.06 Land Rover 3,240 2.63 5,730 3.28 -43.46 Lexus 1,114 0.90 1,309 0.75 -14.90

The top of the Range Aygo is well spec'd and has some good safety bits on it, still would rather have a Sandero TCE 0.9 and several thousands in the bank. The Corsa is currently the best selling car in the UK and is available with a 75 hp NA engine and some turbo petrol and diesel Parker's neatly sum up my experience with these NA town cars. And as we try and keep to the thread it does sound like these types of cars are going to find it tougher with the lower calorific E10 fuel. https://www.parkers.co.uk/car-buying/2019/which-vauxhall-corsa-is-right-for-me/ =========================================================================================================================================================== Which Corsa engine is right for me? At launch, the Vauxhall Corsa is offered with a choice of four different powertrains. These are: 75hp 1.2-litre non-turbocharged petrol, paired to a five-speed manual gearbox 100hp 1.2-litre turbocharged petrol, paired to either a six-speed manual gearbox or an eight-speed automatic gearbox 102hp 1.5-litre diesel, paired to a six-speed manual gearbox 136hp electric motor with a single-speed automatic transmission Which of these is best for you depends totally on the kind of driving you do. We’d recommend the 75hp 1.2-litre unit only for those who spend the vast majority of their time in towns and cities and rarely venture onto faster roads. Alternatively, it could be a good low-cost option for younger drivers looking to minimise their insurance costs. Its power deficit means it’s not particularly relaxed on fast A-roads and motorways, and there’s little in reserve if you need to overtake. In addition, the five-speed gearbox leaves the engine revving loudly at high speeds. We think the best petrol choice for most drivers is the 100hp unit. It’s still peppy around town but much more relaxed on the motorway, and the six-speed manual gearbox is useful for refinement. It’s also likely that this engine will return better real-world fuel economy, as it doesn’t need to be worked as hard as the 75hp model. =================================================================================================================================================================

The one that is made in the Czech Republic ie the Kolin plant which Toyota have just bought out PSA half of on January 1st this year ? You surely can appreciate the difference between your fabulous mark 3 Octavia, not sure if you have the fabulous 7 speed DSG or the 6 speed manual. With the 1.4 TSI one has bags of torque (250 nm) from 1500 rpm, and I am sue to getting mid 50s mpg out of mine. What is the Aygo, 93 Nm ? If there are two cars which highlight the difference for a non-turbo and turbo these are good examples. And the road tax and emission ? Considering the Octy has nearly 4 times the boot space, can hold 5 in comfort, which is the better to drive anywhere except in a car park ? We have to be particularly carefully about emission in towns and that means town cars should be EVs or ultra low emission considering the 40k deaths a year in the UK alone. Not the Bideford and Barnstaple are too high on the danger list for this I would expect but even Worcester has its emission black spot roads.

The idea of driving most natural aspirated cars, barring those specialist high revving or high capacity ones, on Germany Autobahns would either scare the willies trying to use the fast lane or confine me to the slow lane with the lorries and it is sounding that E10 will make things worse. There are a mass of stories ie E10 is even worse in cooler weather, very bad if left static in a car left standing over weeks. Appears a big deal if power is marginal in the first place.

Ford have dropped the 2.3 Ecoboost engine ? Heard they had some problems and had even dropped the HP to stop some of the failures. Could have/should have used the T5 or new 2 litre turbo engine. In the odd application NA still have a place, like motorcycles, The 812 is one of the most polluting cars left in production at over 350 gms/km, V8 Mustang around 300 gm/km. The road tax will be very high, not that the Ferrari owner is likely to be bothered but we should be in terms of environmental damage. I bought a 1.2 HTP for one of the kids about 8 years ago as a low insurance runabout, it was the 60 hp model and we only traded it in a year ago but when I think of the road tax on that as the CO2 was over 120 gm/km, about a grand paid to HMG. It was the lack of torque that annoyed me when driving it as it only had 5 gears as it would not pull a 6th gear I would have thought with only around 100 Nms of torques. We have to reduce our CO2 output as a country and world and the UK Gov is trying to make those who pollute pay for polluting through the Road Tax Year 1 levy and on-going higher payments for. Sadly said goodbye to the 2.5l Type S Jag as the road tax was getting silly. Could get over 40 mpg on a run but we should be aiming for 60 mpg plus and if that has to be on E10 then so be it for the greater good. I use eco on the Octy 3 DSG and it is amazing how much better it is, about another 25 miles per tankful and over 57 mpg and it goes back soon after a 4 year lease and something technical good to follow, EV hopefully, petrol-turbo hybrid at worst. Anybody seen any power-torque curves comparing pure tankfuls of E5 and E10 ? Can always use an occasional tankful of E5 Momentum to offset I suppose.

High Torque and Power, HTP. Think there is a trade description case there.

I did ask if you had any link to stats that only 40% were turbo. I still believe N.A. engine s are pretty much for that crumby base model edition and it is more about the main base load of driving, delivering is done by turbo motors, thank God for the same of emissions etc. but also that turbo motors will adapt to E10 better as their enhanced electronics, especially with the auto boxed versions will electronically compensate for the lower calorific value E10 fuel where manuals N.A. cars will left flayling for the lost hp.

Do you what has held the record for the fastest forced induction production car in the world ? Skoda Octavia at 228 mph. Two way figure, was producing around 600 hp. One of the great pluses of turbo over N.A. is more power is much easier to get. I believe it will also adapt to E10 better than N.A. through the electronics.

You only see part of the Mazda range in the UK or even in Europe as several of the Japanese manufacturers now regard Europe as the poor third of the World's car market. In the States they have the CX9 which is a significant model and the 6 is already turbo over there were it is not here odd really, maybe due to California. I expect Mazda find it difficult to deal with the extra costs turbos add compared to payback and they have quite down with advance combustion chamber design etc with their SkyActiv tech running higher compression than almost anybody else which is a good factor to engine efficiency. The 1 lire MPI, like Dacia/Renaults SCE sell a few but all the mags say avoid if anything but a City car. As Clarkson say for the UP that the accelerator is more of a switch of full on to full off the a throttle to partially use in the excellent episode in the Ukraine with the Fiesta and the Sandero. We will be seeing electric "turbo", really a supercharger, on more cars but which every type of turbo it is it looks the growth will continue even with more EVs being around. https://www.gminsights.com/industry-analysis/automotive-turbocharger-market?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI15vz-KOm8gIVDu3tCh1uhgYeEAAYASAAEgL7-vD_BwE

Really ? I would have thought most major manufacturers and models, like the focus, have not had NA models since around 2010. Do you have an official stats/link on that ? It is not so important whether there is actually a vehicle sat on someone's drive that is NA but who is doing the bulk of mile, a general slow and dirty NA car or a cleaner, faster and more economical, thermally efficiently, turbocharged vehicle. I had a 2.0 MX5 hardtop with retractable roof for a year or so I know how slow they are even compared to 1.4/1.5 turbo. People kept coming up and asking to make hairdressing appointments to, what is that all about ?

There are not many non-turbo cars here in the UK any more and they are being killed off by their poor fuel consumption and high road tax. Mind you I have been looking at early MK 2 Caymans and the NA six cylinder does sound much nicer than the 4 cylinder turbo of course. One expects the electronics on a turbo, especially linked with DSG/PDK systems, it would be barely perceptible, a good service would make a positive difference to compensate after starting to use E10.

I cannot see any difference in the difference in the Excise Duty on E10 than E5 in the UK ie it is nearly exactly 58p a litre for use as road fuel. Also difficult to see how much bio-ethanol is per litre but it looks around about the cost of crude oil created petrol after excise duty ie roughly around £1 a litre before VAT and before delivery to the gas station. In the US they seem to be able to produce bio-ethanol for more like $1 a litre. So if a petrol supplier is allowed to supply "up to 10%" bio I suppose it will depend on the current price of oil ie high at the moment, and the price of bio, God knows , so the company will dog in up to 10% bio if it is cheaper to do so. Shame we cannot find out info, say at the pump, just how much bio is in the EU. Could be 2,4,4,8 or 10% and we the users will not know what we are getting. German idea of split pump sounds a good one. Reminds me of when we could not get lead fuel, or "5 star" which was 100 octane if memory serves, ex-police Norton Commando with Dunstall tuning pack that wanted 5 star and lead, 0 to 90 in 9 seconds. Be also intersting to see horsepower figures. I expect sales on Tescos Momentum to pick up quite a bit unless they do take a penny or two off E10. If you want to see where this is all going European E15 fuel is the next step in a few years with even less MPG for petrol. Talking to some of my colleagues from Brazil and they use E25 and the car companies already know how to work with this sort of fuel. EVs will soon have greater range the Petrol ICE. I have heard there is a another sort of engine an fuel ie compression ignition. Really good CO2 figures. Apparently the Germans are going back to using them.

Fuel was fine in our two stroke motorbikes and Shell was the fuel of choice but then we had no valves to destroy as we had ports in the cylinder, just like a 50,000 hp marine engine burning residual fuel, burning the crappiest fuel the world is what we did. Government should take a penny a litre off the excise duty to compensate for E10 but will they, will they hell.

Usually 99 Octane Momentum and occasionally 99 Shell but that was pricey. Met another Fabia 2 VRS owner who only used 95 but would have thought he would suffer on MPG and definately on peak power where he would have been many HPs down. Just brings me on to these silly small sized fuel tanks which E10 is not going to help. Dread to think how bad that 2.4l NA Kia Sportage I had in Canada would be, tragic, and with 100 kms between fuel stations sometimes, scary.

As long as those supermarkets are not delivering more of that Rotterdam fuel with the damaging silicon in it which costs the supermarkets million in damages back in 2007/8. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-tesco-fuel-idUKL2817326720070302

My Fabia 2 VRS preferred 98 or higher octane but there are very few cars that actually need better than 95 octane, that said I do use Momentum in the bike even though it should be fine on 95, just prefer Momentum's characteristic. Both engines well over 100 hp per litre but designed years after E10 was know about and considered in their design so a part from the, "up to about 1% loss of power and fuel consumption using E10 I will use the E10 in the petrol cars but Momentum in the bike, especially when the mods start going on ie tuned exhaust but the car, for the net few months until the EV arrives, just consider E10 as another nail in the coffin of ICE cars.

About a 1% difference in fuel consumption so about 10 km ie 6 miles less on E10 rather than E5...... Another brick in the wall for ICE cars and yet another reason to go EV. That MG 5 long range is looking better all the time. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110606075634.htm The VTT measurements show that the cars tested used an average of 10.30 litres of 95E10 per 100 km, as opposed to 10.23 litres of 98E5 per 100 km. The difference was 0.07 in favour of 98E5 on average, meaning that using 95E10 petrol, which has a higher ethanol content, increases consumption by 0.7%. Normalising measurement results of each individual test run with observed slight scatter in actual total work done over the driving cycle yields to somewhat higher overall difference, 1.0%. An estimation of calorific values based on approximate fuel composition came out at 1.1% in favour of E5, which is highly consistent with the aforementioned 1.0% difference in consumption.

Vettel may lose second over insufficient fuel for a sample!

Such a long wait for us Renault fans.... And drive of the day Alonso !!! Lewis is such a whinger when other drivers do not just part the waves for him. Shame Max's car was so damaged. Celebration at Enstone, Oxfordshire !

We (Bollore) do tech at the top end of the market ie big buses, which have capacity and very fast charging which is detailed in this article here. So we are using LIthium MP batteries ie solid state, though kept quite warm, but charge time is a few minutes rather than measured in half hours etc..... The last 10 % is a nightmare and I think several system, like petrol fuel tank gauge, do not even measure/gauge it properly...... Mercedes pay us patents, not sure why VW is also mentioned in the graph, just there take on solid state against normal lithium in the light ellipse shaped curve. Normal lithium start to reduce charging rate from 50%-ish. https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1132780_solid-state-batteries-are-already-being-installed-in-city-buses-update These Mercedes-Benz eCitaro buses are offered directly by Mercedes-Benz and have 441 kwh of solid-state LMP cells supplied by France’s Blue Solutions, part of Bolloré—and, seemingly, an evolution of the cells that Bolloré tested in car-sharing vehicles back in 2015. Blue Solutions LMP solid-state tech

LIthium batteries are fantastic but they still need to obey the laws of physics and as Elon Musk warns when you put a Tesla in to Ludicrous mode you cannot start doing a bunch of 0-60 in two seconds or near 9 second standing quarters, there is a price to pay on the longevity of the equipment. Charging at a steady not too high rate is clearly sensible, the occasion charging at the highest level not too much of a problem if only occasional and let us hope the engineers have done their homework and the internal systems of the car kick in and throttle the incoming power if the internal temperatures get too high etc. Who do we trust ? Home charging sounds the continued best option. Just had the British Gas guy round and even he measured the house's electricity supply "quality", presumably actual voltage as UK is not great at getting the 3 phase arms balanced OK all the time, much less 3 phase per house than many countries. I worry about the Chinese being completely honest with the MG but then VAG have not exactly got a good track record of honesty. Eyes open, a smidge of distrust in manufacturers and journalist and preferring honestly spoken thoughtful output from people like you George, cheers.

No real details of test parameters and many EVs I would expect to see if the PSA ones and Zoe. Zoe has reportedly oft got very close to its 249 miles and some drivers have exceeded 300 miles and even 475 miles on a hyper mile exercise https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/manufacturer-news/2021/06/14/renault-zoe-achieves-475-miles-on-a-single-charge . PSA cars seem to be getting close to 200 miles in non motorway conditions but when they do blast it on the motorway I have heard some reports saving the energy consumption can be four times what the range predictor is showing ie give it a blast and one is losing 4 miles for every mile travelled giving it beans on the motorway. Trying to find out how far someone has gone on a MG5 but I see someone did over 500 kms in a MG S, in India ! https://www.autocarindia.com/car-news/autocar-india-sets-a-record-covers-563km-in-mgs-zs-ev-on-one-charge-416297 Using one's God given grey matter is not something car journalist seem to demonstrate going more for the sensational headlines in what ever direction. New long range MG5 still looking like my next car at the moment.

Bad press for EV range ......... (I have often found that ICE cars only produce half the power the manufactures say they do after a few years ! ) Some of the best-rated electric cars run out of power after only two-thirds of their claimed battery range - and in worst cases have 77 MILES wiped off on a full charge WHAT CAR? ELECTRIC VEHICLE RANGE TEST RESULTS Make / Model Usable battery size Official (WLTP) range Test range Shortfall (%) Shortfall (miles) Miles per kWh* Make / Model Usable battery size Official (WLTP) range Test range Shortfall (%) Shortfall (miles) Miles per kWh* Porsche Taycan 4S Performance Battery Plus Usable battery size Official Range Test range Shortfall% Shortfall miles Miles per kWh Mazda MX-30 SE-L Lux 30 124 115 7.1% 9 3.8 Kia e-Niro 64kWh 3 64 282 257 8.5% 25 4 Renault Zoe R135 GT Line 52 238 208 12.4% 30 4 Audi Q4 e-tron 40 S line 77 308 266 13.6% 42 3.5 Volkswagen ID.3 58kWh Pro Performance Life 58 264 226 14.2% 38 3.9 Skoda Enyaq 60 58 254 207 18.3% 47 3.6 Ford Mustang Mach-E Extended Range RWD 88 379 302 20.2% 77 3.4 Tesla Model 3 Long Range 70 360 284 21.1% 76 4.1 Fiat 500 42kWh Icon 37.3 198 140 29.2% 58 3.8 https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-9835811/Some-electric-cars-miss-quoted-battery-ranges-THIRD.html A £25k electric Fiat 500 was 29% off the range figure claimed in sales brochures It was a £50k Ford Mustang Mach-e had the biggest mileage shortfall tested, The 77-mile disappearance is equivalent to driving from London to Southampton