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A 600+ word essay I won't go further off-topic. Obviously we both have vastly difference experiences with electronics. I respectfully disagree on 2 counts: Without extended experience you are not qualified to comment on practicality of it on account of fear of the unknown, thus more likely to believe horror stories and fabricated bad experiences for viewerships. With ownership does not equal to financially involved and being blind to shortcomings. With experience, one could make well informed estimates on horror stories and truthfulness of bad experiences. The only aspect that you can say I may be biased is towards EV fires. But then, in those instances, I've always made my points using public available verifiable stats.

I have had experience with the iPhone batterygate because in my family had 3 of the listed affected devices. I know there is no such thing as what you claimed "downgrading the battery performance" nor "software driven that gives false capacity readings". Batteries degrade as they age, there will be a point where it can no longer supply required power. When that happens, voltage drops and causes errors. That is what Apple are avoiding. Don't believe me, simply measure voltage drop of a battery while you turn up current draw. Similarly, I have working experience with many IC's in my day job. Stuff you claim are overly dramatic. Scrapped PCB's can still have many salvageable components. At home, I've repaired graphics cards with oven, I've repaired monitors and motherboards. At work, latest salvage was batches of NVMe M.2 drives as someone else wired up TX and RX wrong way round. I write embedded software and firmware for living. Finally, just like above 2 cases, I have been living with EV's for over 6 years. I know how they behave and how to use them, unlike people who only read about fear stories. 🙄

It is still entirely possible to scavenge IC from similar boards, use compatible alternative and/or create one's own alternative using other electronics. It depends on the IC, because they range from simple voltage regulators all the way to brains of the operating. Luckily usually it's the simplest IC that fails first, or temperature related failure with solder joints. Don't worry, I work in this field in my day job (that I'm supposed to be doing now). I know all about problems parts obsolescence create, but there's always a way around it. No, what you claim is completely false. Apple did not downgrade battery performance of their phones. They downgraded processor performance in order to keep the devices operational for longer. There is physical limitations with aged battery. As battery degrade it can no longer deliver as much power. Have a read on a summary: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-51413724 Exactly. Update or not does not mean the thing is obsolete. Although it would become vulnerable to cyber threats. Phones are slightly different because there's the problem with software. My point is that software feature updates allows the car to feel fresh, stay competitive despite its age. Thus more likely to be retained for longer by the owner.

I agree with the importance of keeping stuff going by any means necessary. But I feel you are being overly dramatic for electronics. Just like mechanical parts, everything can be re-done or adopted to work given enough motivation. For example there is battery adaptor harness for Nissan Leaf: https://github.com/dalathegreat/Nissan-LEAF-Battery-Upgrade Zero manufacturer support, just some guy figuring this out in his spare time. There is also Chademo to CCS adaptor for Leaf, allowing it to rapid charge anywhere. Again, figured out by third party. There is nothing that actively stops a non-genuine battery from working in any of the Apple devices. Warning buried deep in a settings page is very good to product history is recorded. The degrade performance of older device saga is a storm in a tea cup. Batteries will eventually degrade to a point where it can no longer provide required power. So Apple put in protection to prevent voltage drop and crashes. It's not good that this information isn't previously available, but it was not maliciously done to promote device obsolescence, as you seems to suggest.

Parts obsolescence is a different matter to software updates, please don't confuse them. Parts go out of production all the time and it is difficult to source correct revision of parts. It is indeed a problem needs attention. This is true across all cars. 2013 Model S are still receiving software patches. Don't think they get new features due to hardware limitations (processor not fast enough, no AP cameras) but certainly isn't left out in the cold with vulnerabilities like relatively short life for smart phones. Although Google have recently announced their new Pixel get 7 years of updates. Apple generally update for 5 years minimum. I'd expect cars to receive 10+ years of software updates. To my knowledge, I've replaced a few Apple and other device batteries over the years, Apple have not coded their batteries. The security device, yes, screen, may be, but never the batteries. Your source on your claim? https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/diy-iphone-battery-replacement-how-i-fixed-my-phone-at-home/

Just like phones, these days cars are a software platform on wheels. There will be many new features that the car can do with a software update to maintain its functionality lead and thus not require the user to buy a new car in order to benefit. Many are not hardware related, for example those autonomous driving features. Example is blind spot warning. When I bought the car, there wasn't blind spot warning. It was added through OTA update. There are no dedicated hardware for blind spot warning, unlike traditional car. It relies on its cameras to identify cars. Another example is parking visualisation, where those cars without parking sensors can now show 3D mapped visuals. Everything is done through its existing cameras, doesn't need dedicated hardware. The point is with modern cars (not just Tesla's), unless hardware restricted, one shouldn't need to buy a new car to enjoy the latest new features. Just like smart phones. I've been using iPhone's from its inception back in 2007, without buying latest phones every year, I still get to enjoy latest features. Software updates are part of the fight against obsolescence.

Tesla owners may be against built-in obsolescence, and Tesla's focus on over-the-air software updates speaks volume about their commitment. I'm due to get a matrix headlight update soon to enable matrix lights function now that EU have signed off to allow it. I'm sure any autonomous driving regulation changes will be applied to the older cars. BUT Tesla are also known to be not friendly towards third party repairs and the idea of right to repair. Their parts are historically to be difficult to obtain. Although situation is slowly improving, they have opened up their service manual for free. They have implemented service mode in vehicles to allow user/3rd party diagnostics and its functions are improving with every software update. https://service.tesla.com/docs/ModelY/ServiceManual/en-us/

I'm not saying that at all. How many times do I have to say that I agree with the general video theme? I agree we shouldn't view cars as own a few years get another one luxury items. I'm only pointing out the EV argument based solely on a very low battery lifetime is spreading misinformation.

That’s why the talking head should do their research properly. I’m not seeing any references for that problematic statement in video. People’s thinking does not equal it is the truth. The EV bit the only bit that is relevant to this thread. Thus it is the only bit I didn’t fast forward. I only reacted and referenced the FUD statement. I also don’t agree with the conclusion for EV because justification is solely based on a FUD misinformation statement. But as I said, I agree with overall idea of the video, I never called the whole video FUD. You are free to draw whatever conclusion from my posts. But don’t bait with a tangibly thread related video, with only relatable bit in the video to be FUD, and expect anything different.

You disagree with my statement? "Current EV batteries last around 10 years" - completely false Or do you disagree that the video contains anti-EV FUD? Or do you disagree describing "EV don't have any hope of lasting 10 years" as extrapolated? I did research this kind of thing extensively before jumping into EV ownership. Even back in 2017 it was believed that battery will outlast the car. 2 years ago we have 2+ years old Tesla Model 3 and many Korean cars showing hardly any battery degradation. 2 years ago we have 8 years old Nissan Leaf still going very strong. I agree this video in general is not anti-EV. It's talking about a very real problem. But the battery longevity statement stated as fact are totally false. There is no who is right or who is wrong, the facts are straight forward.

I'm not sure it's relevant because the talking head is, again, paddling the anti-EV FUD. "Current EV batteries last around 10 years" - completely false Then from that single false statement extrapolated to "EV's don't have any hope of lasting 10 years"

Not my comparison. Chris Harris was comparing the I5N with RS6 in his video. Back when EV were more rare and expensive, it didn't stop people comparing insurance prices. I don't see why it matters now? I'm surprised TBH, I thought the thinking is that ICE cars are cheaper? May be inflation have taken hold on ICE cars ! May be people should re-evaluate their idea of cheap car. While we are at it, they are within 10% weight difference. 2023 Audi RS 6/Kerb weight: 2,075 kg 2023 Hyundai IONIQ 5 N/Kerb weight: 2,235 kg The difference is much less than lightest vs heaviest VW Golf models: 2024 Volkswagen Golf/Kerb weight: 1,264 to 1,630 kg Edit: Thanks Root, not sure if R8 is comparable to a super-hatch.......

The Chris Harris video also mentioned Audi RS6 as comparison. https://www.parkers.co.uk/audi/a6/rs6-avant-2020/insurance-groups/ Insurance group 50. Would be interesting to see a comparison quote by root / woof for a dino juice RS6. We were having friend over for dinner last night. That family have a Model 3 and a GLA petrol. Guess which car do they go on road trips with? Their Model 3 has been across Europe multiple times, up to Denmark, down to Southern France. Says just rely on the Tesla sat-nav, don't need to do additional research. Never had any anxiety about running out of charge or unable to charge. I forgot to ask the car's current mileage, also 72 reg, but I understand he drives a LOT for his work.

I think it's more due to rental company not accounting for how EV's work differently and not leveraging it as a benefits. They could advertise 80-30% SoC so one would essentially get 50% free as part of rental. When I had done short journey with rental car on the company, it was a huge hassle to go to petrol station for £5 worth of petrol. Petrol cost is on the company, rental company petrol penalty is on me. Just like dealership sales model, rental companies not adopting will get left behind. Haha, love it! The loudest cars are pretty much always bucket of rust.

Good recount of an American (?) EV owner renting an EV over here from Hertz: It's clear Hertz way of operating is not friendly to EV renting and generally gives a bad experience. Requiring 80% on return and forgetting to provide public charging roaming RFID. The more friendly way is to have destination charging at drop off, require drop off at above 30% and only dash out penalty if the car wasn't plugged in. The car can be geo-fence auto set to 80% to preserve battery health in case it doesn't get rented straight away. The video reminded me to look on Hertz direct. I previously booked an EV for 5 people summer holiday around Faro, Portugal. Multi-provider site returned around £260 for a "standard car", a bit more for similar size hybrid (so don't have to listen to engine drone running air-con). I originally booked an "ID4 or similar" for £330. Looking on Hertz direct, it's £180 for Polestar 2 and £199 for Model 3. Sufficient to say I'm booking the M3 with Hertz on Monday. There's a Tesla supercharger a bit up the road near motorway (I think) junction. Booking any other EV means I'd have to navigate the confusing mess that is Portugal public chargers. The hotel slow charger requires signing up to something in Portuguese and fill in a VAT number.

Good for you, and by your logic, no one would ever need more than 150 hp of power. Reminds me of this misquote:

By that logic no road legal high performance cars should ever exist and people should never buy them. Yet here we are, people driving around with all sort of cars. The benefit with EV is that one can experience the power safely from 0 mph to legal speed limit. But I drive around in chill mode and let autopilot do the speed as much as possible. A squirt of power to jump out of blind spots never hurts.

Both is achievable with EV Yes. But Unfortunately unlike Ampera/i3 REx, the Nissan e-power is 100% fossil fuel powered. No option to plug in. In terms of capability it's not special at all. 100% of its energy still comes from combustion and 100% of its energy still produces tailpipe emissions. But the fact it de-couples ICE from wheels mean it has potential to have good EV driving feel. It's about time we de-couple ICE from cars, de-couple the idea that ICE is the soul of the car.

Have you read about Nissan e-power? Petrol engine that powers electric motor: https://www.nissan.co.uk/range/e-power-cars.html All Tesla 3/Y after around 2021 are li-on 15v batteries. My MY has Li-on low voltage battery. Tesla S/X "raven" I think are li-on, raven powertrain cars are available in UK as RHD. The reason they have low voltage battery in EV is to function as ballast, ensuring there is minimum voltage swing. In micro electronics, think of them as the capacitor we'd put across power source. The DC-DC inverter stepping down from high voltage battery will do the heavy lifting powering stuff. Coasting will always be the most efficient way, same in EV where coasting doesn't cost anything in energy conversion. 90% is also what I've heard regarding regen braking. This means assuming no other losses, the 9 kWh you put into accelerating the car (with 10 kWh from battery), you'll get 8.1 kWh back into the battery. But there's always other losses, so in the real world, by the time we've put down 9 kWh, many of which would have been used to overcome rolling/air resistance, etc. How else am I going to get the purse string holder to allow me to buy a good performance car

Most first time Tesla drivers are recommended to use "chill" mode to have the "soft start" feel as you've mentioned. It dampens and delays the accelerator response profile. Feels very chilled driving in this mode, whereas standard mode feels nerves and dart-y. Similarly, there's the Eco mode for Leaf, which maps accelerator in an exponential profile rather than default logarithmic growth profile. I think most EV's with drive mode selection will have that kind of switch, as root alluded to. Improved EV high speed efficiency is indeed very important. Maintaining "70"mph uses up a lot more than driving at 70mph. This is how RSymons efficiency test are getting very good numbers, they drive "at speed limit" but often end up in traffic which drives at optimum ~65mph. Also correctly pointed out by 'Name, burst of acceleration doesn't kill range. It's maintaining the speed against rolling resistance and air that pushes back kills the range. The bigger frontal surface area and drag coefficient the worst it's going to get.

The thing is with EV, it's easier to get more performance than more range. Low-down torque is easy with electric motor, this means quick acceleration. The modest 80 kW Leaf motor is quite punchy 0-30mph. There's certainly an adjustment period to get used to lighter touch on the accelerator. More range need a bigger battery. Bigger battery in turn enables even more unnecessary performance...... As said, it's to attract petrolheads who still holds their outdated view that EV are milk floats. Efficiency is the name of the game, with so many SUV's on the market, I don't think most manufacturers (and buyers) got the memo. However, one can have both range and power in the example of Model 3 LR AWD 2024 refresh. Similarly, I have done 160 miles with loads of sentry mode over last 2 days and only used 58% battery. A hair under 4 mi/kWh with 5 people in the car. Uncongested but can't do my usual ""70""mph on M25.

Octopus introducing the "Power Pack" https://octopus.energy/power-pack/ Basically: give Octopus control of your car for at least 12 hours a day every couple of days. You receive free charging up to 333 kWh (~1000 miles) per month totally free. Current only compatible with Leaf and Wallbox V2G charger. As I've been saying, batteries in BEV are part of solution to enable adoption of more unpredictable renweables. We are starting to see the technology trickling to early adopters while EV enter mainstream.

Luxury VED for EV comes in next April. All BEV registered before then, regardless of price, will only need to pay regular price from 2025. Got until March 2025 to buy a EV above £40k Or avoid £40k+ list price second hand cars from 2025.

Hum..... which one would you choose? The speaker downgrade is not too bad, everything else interior seems like the same. Performance of RWD is probably similar to LR in chill mode. RWD already got bags of range. It's also LFP battery means charge to 100% every day. £10k is huge price gap. I'd choose the standard RWD. I'd have chosen the standard RWD MY if the price difference was that big.

Summary: Tesla arrived a few minutes earlier because the driver ended up on a less congested road near destination in London. They ate together at Tebay, afterwards Tesla were 10min to finish and BMW had a refuel. Tesla had another 14min stop at Rugby, I'm not sure if BMW had a rest stop during 5+ hours of driving from Tebay. Video also talks about Tesla's predicted arrival percentage and trip consumption meter, if you are interested. From video description: Of course, just like RSymons, need to remember this is an EV dealership channel.