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People are different. Whatever works for you. Another strategy is to start driving back and take a comfort break half way home. 300 miles EV can do 240 miles in any weather, that translates to ~4 hours of motorway/A road driving. So will only need charging if return trip is over 2 hours on motorway/A roads. 2 hours outbound in early hours will be more like 3 hours on return due to traffic. Break up a 3 hour drive into two 1.5 hours + comfort break is perfectly reasonable thing to do TBH. But as the saying goes, early bird catches the worm. I like to be the early bird to avoid Greater London traffic.

"Ultra rapid" is now being used to describe speeds faster than 50kW rapid, all the way to 350 kW rapid chargers. Another very confusing name, not distinguishing between 400v and 800v system, amp limits of different chargers. I have been in such situations, going somewhere, spend most of the day and come back needed a small top up. But at the same time, when coming back, Tesla superchargers are often at peak pricing. What I do is just find a charger near destination and top up for 10min before arriving. It's really not that big of a hassle and most importantly this completely avoids any possibility of queues. Thanks for the 3 post clear up explanation though. I got really confused looking at it in isolation.

Sorry I didn't understand. Run-on sentences didn't help. I don't fully understand why would anyone go to motorway service to slowly charge their car. It's obvious this is where rapid chargers should be installed, to which you say you totally agree. I can't spot anything here that talks why EV is unsuitable for certain people. This bit only talks about where need to have rapid chargers and not all destinations have chargers. Then you pointed to the above as reason for why EV isn't suitable for many...... Regarding longer distance driver. It's one of those very simple things, such as how many hours that driver can drive without going to toilet 😅 My point earlier was that people got to do rest stops and long range EV gives many charging options over a large search area. But I think I finally grasping what you are trying to say when you've explained your example about visiting young relatives and combine with earlier saying not all destination have chargers.

I'm sorry, I'm still not understanding why you insist that EV's are only suitable for people who wouldn't need to charge before getting home. Public charging is not at all difficult. Especially when search area is 50 miles along the route and most services or charging hubs near major roads have many charger stalls. Public charging was difficult with a 60 miles range EV, search area of 10 miles with only a few charge points available. Good point. I can buy acceleration boost for £1500 (if someone bought a car with my referral code, this is basically free upgrade). DVLA doesn't want to know, I don't think it counts as a modification for insurance because everything is still within factory spec, there also isn't an option to select it in comparison sites. So am I being insured because my car could go 4.2s 0-60, as opposed to 4.8s without?

No, I've never ever said to use that to complete a trip. Rapid charging is the enabler for driving EV beyond home range. I'm advocating to use AC destination charging whenever possible. I'm saying to switch away from petrol station mentality for everyday use, as much as possible. I'm sure you, as someone with engineering background, know full well: A one-off is in no way conclusive of a whole branch of technology. There are more than 700 Tesla's in UK alone that has covered more than 100k miles: https://www.fleetandleasing.com/leasing-news-1/high-mileage-tesla-close-to-400000-miles-on-the-clock/ Would this engine warranty replacement story mean ICE are no good?

Go on ABetterRoutePlanner website and try it yourself. It's no different to checking out the route in Google maps. At most need a few seconds to select your car and set minimum charging stalls per location the first time using it. For loyalty cards, I only have 1: Electroverse RFID, plus contactless payment covers every rapid charging I've ever wanted to do so far. There IS regulation to make charging easily accessible: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-public-charge-point-regulations-2023-guidance/public-charge-point-regulations-2023-guidance#:~:text=New public charge points of,becomes public to offer contactless. Nothing on fair pricing, and I personally can't see rapid charging become cheaper. I also personally don't support use of EV through rapid charging only, rapid charging puts a strain on the grid, rather than be an asset when plugged in and smart charging.

I personally don't rate Zapmap. It used to be very good way of showing charge points back when every one is important and EV are few and far in between. But its introduction of membership has meant its free service hasn't kept pace with all other free apps out there. Zapmap locks filter by minimum number of charge points behind membership paywall. ABetterRoutePlanner, Electroverse and WattsApp all allow filtering by minimum number of charge points for free. It's always the first filter I set. I mainly use Electroverse to find charging hubs these days, prefer compatible with Electroverse RFID card. ABRP for checking long distance charging stops.

Public charging per-mile and per-kWh summarised on this website: https://leccy.net/charging/public#mile

Tesla shows more detailed info than the Zoe video shown. It shows historic busy times and current available stalls, also estimated wait time. But availability data is only for Tesla superchargers. For other network charge points, it only shows them on the map (with number of stalls), no data for availability. Tesla have very strict criteria for them to show up, they will automatically disappear from map if they are known to be unreliable: https://www.notateslaapp.com/software-updates/upcoming-features/id/1112/tesla-to-add-reliable-third-party-chargers-to-their-in-car-navigation This is simple probability theory: (assume 30min per car) 2 charger have throughput of 4 cars per hour. 12 charger have throughput of 24 cars per hour. If both are fully utilised, at location with more chargers, you'll more likely to queue for far less time. It's like at supermarket, which queue moves faster? The self-checkout where 1 queue goes to 10+ checkout points, or the single checkout queue? Assuming both cases per-person-time-at-checkout are similar. As mentioned, Taycan man going to those unsuitable locations on purpose, for video views.

Traffic and weather wouldn't affect the likelihood of charger queues. Volume of cars on the day will affect amount of cars visiting chargers. But having more charger stalls will always reduce or eliminate queuing, this is consistent regardless of all other variables you've mentioned. So why would Taycan drama-queen visit 2-stall locations, I wonder? Are you suggesting a £100,000+ flagship EV from VAG has worse infotainment than one of cheapest supermini EV? If you are really asking, Tesla cars of course shows all the Tesla supercharger live availabilities. It also shows estimated wait time and route people to less busy charging locations whenever possible. This level of integration is consistent across the Tesla fleet, from 9 year old car to newest car. Of course, my 9 years old Nissan Leaf only shows charging locations, don't have live data and number of stalls. Are Taycan guy videos giving the viewer the impression that his car has same level of tech as my 9 year old first-gen EV?

It's clear <4 stall charging location are prone to queuing. Then why go to those locations in the first place? I think in his kick-off video, this Polestar 2 rental guy said something about setting filtering to 4 stalls as minimum (or was it a different number?). He managed the trip absolutely zero problem. Easy to filter out few stalls locations. In this route, every single charging stop have 6 or more charger stalls: https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=ada94ab4-0eb7-4725-a4d2-91be8fc048fd

The short version: No drama, no queuing, quite expensive. Clearly the title is taking the mick out of the other guy who likes to seek out unsuitable 2-stall locations.

FWIW, Chademo plug should unlock on completion. At least the original Nissan provided Ecotricity Electric Highway ones do. The locking mechanism is controlled by the charger, not the car. There is usually a light on the Chademo plug to signal whether it is locked, if not lit, anyone can unplug it. So it's possible to unplug and end charging session for those who have completed their charging, then start your session.

Ah, someone made a mistake at Tesla, still isn't corrected on UK website. https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck It's 6,843 lbs on US website, which is about 3,100 kg. More reasonable than the Hummer EV, which is 4,373 kg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMC_Hummer_EV

It is very daft if true. But I've no idea if it's optical illusion, the two looks like different stages of (pre-)production. The top has a strange rear passenger window, like a fake window with cardboard covering it. The lower one has no side mirrors, may be first prototype shown on the unveil stage? The rear light black area also looks different height between the two. As a product, the whole thing is daft. There's some cool tech inside, hopefully will trickle down to regular car (3/Y), such as steer-by-wire, rear wheel steering, V2L.

It's probably driver error and eco tyres. AWD EV with aids should be about the same as the well established Audi quattro with aids. The Audi only pulls ahead when driver who knows what they are doing turns off the assistive systems. y

Good overview of rapid charging prices today. https://twitter.com/tillathenun/status/1730173673934377255 For home charging, actually cheapest is 7p/kWh. See my up to date post here: https://www.speakev.com/threads/list-of-ev-tariff-for-2-5p-mile-motoring.179786/ Interesting observation from another forum: https://www.speakev.com/threads/uk-ultra-rapid-prices-where-to-now.181700/

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What. The. F*** https://www.tesla.com/en_gb/cybertruck Tesla truck weight: 6,843 KG I looked up typical US truck weight, Ford F150: 1,846–2,584 kg

DC rapid chargers are extremely expensive. £21k for a single 60kw not very good station, ex install: https://evonestop.co.uk/products/ultracharge-160-ultra-rapid-dc-charging-unit Whereas AC destination charger cost as low as £450 (Tesla wall unit, can deliver up to 22 kW), perhaps £1500 for a dual-socket post. (all ex install) Add in the grid infrastructure cost to deliver power for multiple 150 kW chargers. vs AC charging could throttle based on whatever building it is attached to. Thus I can understand why DC rapid charging are sometimes twice more expensive than destination charging. But at the same time, it is puzzling why a single (large) company could deliver same service at such cheap rate. End of the day, personally, I've no problem paying those prices as 98% of my charging is at home 7.5p/kWh, completely off-sets the odd £1/kWh charging I may need to do. I'd rather pay £1/kWh and have completely reliable service, charging at vehicle full speed and have more than enough stalls to avoid queueing. But this goes back to the grid problem, what I want is hugely expensive to install. Not everyone want this. Thinking about it, in case of Gridserve or BP Pulse, one could argue they should have a lower cost tier for poor service area such as those old motorway services that have less than 4 charging stalls because they offer sub optimum service.

The "muppet" probably need to be informed on difference between destination slow charger and DC rapid charging. Sounds like he/she is using it as destination charger.

Gridserver are increasing their prices..... https://gridserve.com/2023/11/29/pricing-adjustment-on-the-gridserve-electric-highway/

Someone works out effect of temperature and speed on Corsa's range/consumption: https://www.speakev.com/threads/consumption-and-range-of-an-ev-at-different-speeds-and-ambient-temperatures-case-opel-corsa-e.181655/ Might be an interesting read for you, root.

That 18 kWh i3 being only 15min later than double battery capacity and newer Zoe is pretty impressive. Rapid charging is the enabler for driving beyond home range. It's the main reason I went with Leaf over Zoe. I think they could have done it not as slow in a 2018 Leaf 40, or any other similar capacity car with rapid charging. These early EV are perfect for secondary family car as local runabouts or daily commuting car. Save the bigger ICE for family trips. That's what I did for ~3 years before COVID.

Hum..... Another nice rounded article. Ultimately EV fires do exist and fire fighters/car parks need to be prepared, of course that doesn't concern us drivers. What concerns us is that there's absolutely zero evidence to say EV are equal or more likely to catch fire than ICE vehicle. Current evidence (UK OZEV, and referenced by Guardian, this Autocar) points to an order of magnitude less fire claims than ICE vehicle.