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EV's have been made with cell to module, module to pack method. There's innovations to switch to cell direct to pack. Example is BYD blade battery directly into a pack. There's also a design (name escapes me) that is doing cell to module and then use structure of the vehicle as pack boundary and support. True for the fuel by itself. But when the fuel is pumped through a vehicle with elements and sometimes made to burn even hotter for filter cleaning cycles. I'm not sure that is true when consider the powertrain as a emergent system. Why is that? A cell is a cell. All battery cells catch fire if not treated properly. There's some truth in that not all EV's monitor state of every single cell. Leaf only have 3 temperature sensor, for example. The fire risk of the battery is reliant on competency of the BMS and its sensing capability. It's true for indoor equipment and it stays true when scaled up to the biggest battery (grid scale).

Octopus tracker is around 4.7 p/kWh for quite a long time now. I've been paying £180 per month since summer when my account was at around 0. Now have £500 credit. It's surprisingly easy to overpay. Very quick search says medium household currently pay around £1,754.94 pa, £146.24 pm. https://www.uswitch.com/gas-electricity/guides/average-gas-and-electricity-bills-in-the-uk/ I think I'm very close to that, despite powering 2 EV's from this bill. I also think I could save more if running full heat pump. Using efficient tech saves money, who knew 🤩 Shame can't just plug and play in UK, legally and from safety point of view. I think in other countries, they have a special plug type for these so there isn't the possibility of having exposed live connectors. Along side micro e-mobility and autonomous vehicle, UK is falling further and further behind on all these aspects due to aging legislation.

What if I mention ULEZ, is that going to trigger another rant? 🤭

I think you are far too gone in the radical social media blackhole to really see what's going on. Why having a go at me for asking a simple question? Am I not allowed to ask how you arrived at your statement?

I would much rather not spend any minutes of my holiday dealing with these. Recharging happens naturally with rest stops, doesn't take any minutes out of my trip. Just like driving EV everywhere else. Similarly, when returning, it is possible to not need recharging at all if had overnight slow charged to 100% at hotel. Stop limiting yourself to think about refuelling. EV recharging is super flexible, just need to live with one to know all the possibilities.

Funny how your words change when the expert enforces your view. Similar to what you've claimed many times, I don't take answers as straight facts. When in doubt, I ask simple questions. Just to be clear, I only asked the question, I did not "think its not possible" nor did I wildly speculate.

No problems either, the fuel charges are the easiest to avoid. Only got charged once by Sixt for one additional day late return, as always, I got photo and video of the car in their car park, was 20min before my finish time (I was cutting it close to avoid paying additional day). The check-in person didn't get around to inspecting the car 1 hour later. I complained and got the charge refunded. The 70% EV return policy seems to be normal now. My Volvo EV rental with Hertz in Norway was similar. They give you the car at around 80%, expect it back above 70%. Huge amount of rapid charger just outside the airport for this reason, at petrol stations which I guess are also for rental returns. The Tesla I rented in Faro last year was different though. Return at any %, no charge, I never pay for fuel service so it's not due to prior agreement. Ended up returning at ~10% IIRC and only done a tiny top up half way during our stay when convenient. Personally, I think that's the way to do it. Return above, say, 20%. They got to charge the cars anyway if customers return at 70% and they promise 80% for cars going out. They can plug the cars in for cheaper smart charging or grid services with energy suppliers (think IOG or Norway's Tibber). Play to EV's strength that it is still useful as battery when parked, stop thinking in ICE terms.

This is the extend of the Renault data breech, officially from Renault. I am affected because I was in contact with Renault for my parent's Megane purchase. • First name & surname • Gender • Phone number • Email address • Postal address • Vehicle Identification Number • Vehicle registration number ID fraud, yes; phishing attack, yes. Just like every other data breach. How could those information open up an avenue for car theft?

Globally, renewables become the world's biggest source of energy: BBC NewsRenewables overtake coal as world's biggest source of ele...Developing countries lead the historic clean energy charge but the US and EU rely more on fossil fuels than before, a think tank study shows. The sentiment that large emitter like China isn't doing anything is now incorrect: " China remains way ahead in clean energy growth, adding more solar and wind capacity than the rest of the world combined. "

Can you enlighten us what you think each each side are actually saying?

Do we know what caused that fire? Which vehicle was the first alight?

Great to see firefighter working effectively to treat the threat. Looks like it was all done within a day, if not a few hours. Much quicker than we've been lead to believe based on previous information from this very thread. The reporting is also spot on, factual. I'm not seeing any whinging like other youtuber and people on this forum. The fire looks like started in the front of the vehicle, what used to be called "engine bay". There is no battery there, in fact, the battery sits quite further back. This is pure speculation from me, it may have started by heating elements (like any other car) or HV connections as it was rapid charging. Although I have to say, the empty space contributed to the efficiency in dealing with this fire. Rapid charging in tight enclosed multi-story car parks would have been much more difficult. This kind of charging fire risk does need to be heavily considered on risk assessments for tighter car parks.

I got the impression that you want to tax EV usage (only on EV) and that the double whammy fossil fuel duty + VAT is a form of stealth tax. Have I wrongly assumed you were suggesting some form of tax so that operating EV would end up cost the same as fossil cars? EV are cheaper because it is both cleaner and more efficient. Both should be recognised by any taxation system. If taxing electricity usage (instead of per-mile) I fully support taxing through some sort of grid-carbon-credit based system. Where: the faster the charging, the higher the tax because grid strain charging when grid is dirty has highest tax charging when grid is clean has minimal tax discharging when grid is dirty produces tax credit charging when the grid has surplus produces minimal tax credit etc

My takeaway from the video was that many EV can go 300 miles all day every day without needing to stop and re-energise. Whilst the similar performing (3.3s), more expensive (£122k) fossil car have to stop and refuel every other day. (300 miles a day) Also, save people 1 hour: Another point missed by carwow is things like this: The Tesla (and any other vehicle after paying a £10 monthly sub) at superchargers would have cost £30 to recharge, 40p/kWh, which translates to 9.16p/mile.

What I want to know is where will be the "stick" (tax) for emissions from burning of hydrocarbon? The per-mile idea works (not withstanding rural vs urban differences) as long as all vehicle receive the same treatment. We should see fossil fuel duty reduced but remain an element at the pumps to remind people to STOP BURNING STUFF.

Not sure how this is related to (possibly) EV fires..... " ESA commissioner Wayne Phillips told ABC radio this morning (29 January) crews discovered a problem with the “primer” inside the truck’s main water hose pump during routine checks. “There’s a bit of that … but also what’s happening is that we’re training firefighters as well, so we’re reaching 80 per cent capacity of firefighters being trained on the truck.” This, too, is currently back with Volvo to “rectify a fault that was picked up during acceptance testing here in the ACT”, according to the ESA. " For the hybrid fire truck, sounds like a combination of non-powertrain (read, could also happen on a diesel truck) parts failure and usual time needed to get staff trained. Can't really blame lower service status on electric powertrain. For the full electric truck, it has not yet been put into service. The exact fault for rejection was not given in either of the written news articles. As a first trial-run with limited order number. Getting complex equipment and associated training through to fully operation status takes time. End of the day, it's great to see the their on-going commitment to see through to the end. Change is never easy. " "We want to bed-down these concepts first and make sure that they're working the way that we want them to before we progress any further," Assistant Commissioner Brewer said. "But there are fire services across the rest of the world that are buying electric vehicles and are looking at more electric vehicles. It is absolutely the way of the future. "Transitioning to an electric fleet and going across to electric fire trucks is absolutely one way of reducing [fire crew's] exposure to diesel particulates. "If the opportunity arose we'd absolutely consider an electric vehicle." "

Do any of those require servicing? What is the failure rate of Li-on cells? What is the failure rate of power electronics, BMS and wire connections vs purely mechanical ICE? Are there also large amount of sensors, ECU and wiring connections on a modern ICE? From my experience with modern ICE, I don't think EV are complicated at all. There's far less moving parts that wear out, less sensors that could get sooted up, that's a given. There may be more individual parts when you count the cells, but what is actual failure rate for cells? As a complete pack, is the failure rate higher or lower than modern ICE? Then, if a cell fails, you can replace the cell as shown in the short video and also previously shown very easily done for Leaf battery. End of the day, more STUFF does not automatically equal to higher chance of "ruin your day". This stuff is basic secondary school statistics.

Personally, I think this is clear sign of technical progress. Things only appreciate when new things isn't better than old. I'm very used to things like this. Pretty much all my hobby involves buying varying degree of depreciating things: computer, photography, photo drones, smart home, energy products. Latest addition is upgrade to multi-gig WIFI 7 throughout the house with full Unifi "stack". The WIFI 6 router was sold for less than 1/3 of my purchase price.

This was never claimed. I only pointed out that the title does not match the content. The content did not talk about increased cost to insure EV's. Because the title fitted what you wanted to believe, you clearly didn't read more into the content to see what Thatcham and others are actually saying. In simple terms, they are saying we need better battery repair infrastructure. I did not disagree with anything. If you are still talking about the Autocar article, again, I only pointed out that the title does not match the content. Talk about digging your own hole and getting into it.

Insurance cost increased, just as everyone's, last year. This year insurance cost (I renewed in Aug) was a lot cheaper than last year's, about the same as 2 years ago. First-hand information posted by numerous EV owners not good enough for you? But you'd rather spread obviously anti-EV social media posts cherry-picking 3rd hand information. 🤡 What did you say about looking past the headline? The actual quote from industry expert is as follow: " Dan Harrowell, principal engineer of advanced technologies at Thatcham Research, said: “There’s a lot of discussion around recycling batteries, but as the insurance industry we’re focused instead on the repair, refurbishment and remanufacture of batteries. “To maintain parity with ICE vehicles, we need battery refurbishment and repairs to be done by independent repairers, as happens in the replacement engine sector. The risk is that unless industry develops the skills to do this work, as we hit scale and as EVs age, writeoffs will be more considerable.” " None of industry "experts" and no where in the article talks about insurance cost.

There isn't one eligible for the full £3750 yet. The criteria is extremely strict. This is exactly how government funding works in everything. Not just cars. Eg. that change to the road I don't agree? I also feels like I have no say in them. I also personally don't agree that EV need subsidy anymore. I've previously voiced it in this very thread. But I can also see government are being hounded by industry lobbyist for more targeted funds so that failing legacy manufacturers wouldn't disappear. This current subsidy is exactly that, targetted funding for a few local manufacturers. So don't get mad at people buying EV's. They also have no choice to participate in a rigged game that only the house will win. Remember articles like these: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y7x3jgw7no https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/mar/13/car-industry-urges-uk-government-to-create-new-ev-incentives https://parliamentnews.co.uk/uk-carmakers-warn-ev-rules-risk-jobs-investment And after intense lobbying, the result: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/backing-british-business-prime-minister-unveils-plan-to-support-carmakers "unveils plan to support carmakers" It's not subsidy for people buying these.

This is what I hear more these days, deals deals deals. I've not heard of any "supply outstrip demand" talks for EV after ~2024. Where is this massive subsidy? £1500 is far cry from subsidies seen during 2010's.

Indeed spreadsheet work is required. Mainly percentage of driving do you think you can do in EV mode? How much per-mile saving is there from driving on electric? Can you ever save back the initial outlay for this new car? Is there insurance cost difference? Unless you really want/need a new car, if your current Octavia meets all your needs and you'll still mostly be using fossil fuel, then there isn't much point changing to something heavier, less efficient car for sake of saving a few pence (or cents) when driving locally. Similarly, is there possibility of buying a cheap second hand BEV for local use? Keeping the Octy for longer trips with its spare tyre and huge boot. Between 2017 and 2022, I had this setup and was very happy with using the right car for the job.

Extremely poor messing about by Octopus. Glad that's over. So going ahead with EV then? My guess is the fitter wanted confirmation that he can install, first time round photos/load wasn't reviewed properly so fitter didn't want to bear the responsibility. Second time round someone at HQ looked at it properly and worked out that charge point auto derating feature is sufficient to deal with household usage.

But you keeps banging on about Li-on battery fires are extremely hard to put out, extreme high temperature and there would be nothing left of the vehicle. I'm seeing significant vehicle left untouched. Even the tyres are intact. Quote from your CBC News link: May be time to stop putting flammable stuff into vehicles 😘