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Carwow phoned me after I tried them for valuation. It's been advertised to dealers for £5250 now. Almost £1500 over what Tesla offered for trade-in. Hope dealers bite at that price.

Hey, don't knock Crossrail 2, it's set to stop at my nearby station, I'm waiting for that house price increase after been built 😜 So the problem is too much input from a single place (the wind turbines) rather than too much renewable generation not matched to demand across the whole grid. In those cases, green hydrogen generation would make sense, but then you'll loose out on efficiency even more by transporting it. The electricity market really need to be localised. Those who live next to wind turbines get to pay a lot less or even paid to use electricity. Currently electricity system with dumb meters and national price cap that only differs by a few pence across the country does not work. Then we will see communities put up less resistance to renewables appearing near them.

Same argument can be made if EV's are always be charging and put on intelligent tariff like Octopus Intelligent. You plug it in every night, the grid smartly charges your car cheaply according to excess rewnewables. No wasted renewables, 80% generation to wheel efficiency. That's why I'm getting a Tesla. 6+ at each location, in-car nav will auto navigate to less busy locations. https://www.speakev.com/threads/why-is-tesla-seen-as-the-stand-out-charge-provider-when-others-have-similar-numbers-if-chargers.171239/

As long as the hydrogen isn't used as sole power source for those fuel-cell hybrid cars, I'm all for it. It's good we are starting with EV's so that people's mindset will change from "fill up every week" to "always be charging" before hydrogen are introduced. No matter the source of hydrogen, it is just too wasteful. On family emergencies. My retired parents live about 80% charge for a return journey for our short range EV in coldest winter days. So as long as we maintain 50% charge level on the short range EV, we can get to them at moment's notice. We'll have a long range EV that can recharge quickly at a mid-way point between their place and ours (Tesla superchargers South Mimms, pop in for 5min will be enough to cover a return trip or 2) That is why rapid charging is important no matter vehicle type. Although we can get to them, we'll need a top up to get home. Without rapid charging, the city car is pretty useless and must maintain high SoC. With rapid charging, after handling any emergency, a 30min stop in the short range EV will allow it to get home no problem.

A local city car with smaller battery makes a LOT of sense, in fact, we own one Problem is, people seems to be obsessed with EV's range even though people rarely need to exercise this.

Baaa, Tesla responded, only offering £3760. That's waaaay off compared to website sellers. I suppose good thing with WBAC is that you can refuse to sell if they change their office price too much, because it's at a drop off location. Right, once I phone them to make sure it is delivery appointment is 100% confirmed and I'll get a car on that day, I shall start putting up adverts.

That's a good shout, forgot there's a for-sale section here. Though audience may be limited and it's not a rare build or highly thought after spec. If similar car is asking £8200 by dealer and Autotrader scale shows it's "lower price". What sort of price should private seller advertise at? I see there's a sold elsewhere, similar spec Octavia mk3 2.0l diesel advertised on the forum for £6750. I guess this would be my ballpark price for the forum.

I've got a Skoda Octavia 63 reg 2.0l diesel 6-speed DSG automatic Elegance trim with heated seat and adaptive cruise. In later this month month, I'll be looking to move this on after over 5 years mostly trouble-free ownership. What's the best way to shift this in today's seller's market? Sell privately? I see similar spec with slightly lower mileage but no heated seat or ACC asking a staggering £8260 by a dealer. I can handle a few punters, don't want any time wasters or have patience for this to take many weeks. What's the best advertising medium? Website like webuyanycar/motorway? Both are giving estimate of around £5000. Quite a fall from dealer price. But should be very quick and easy as long as their valuation holds when they look at the vehicle. Trade-in? I'm still waiting on Tesla to reply with a price estimate. It has to be near website buyers despite the convenience factor. But am I right to say trade-in will usually offer the lowest value? I'm thinking I can try selling privately first for a few weeks. Try to undercut the dealer price (by how much?). Then if no buyers found, move on to whatever is offering best price from websites.

This is my costs, compared 2 second hand car of similar value purchased in 2017: Skoda Octavia mk3 2013 and Nissan Leaf 24kWh 2014. It gets updated everytime I refuel the diesel or every few month for the EV. Total average fuel cost over my dataset is £1.20 per liter. EV used a constant cost of 12p/kWh, very pessimistic considering I was paying 8p initially, then 10p and 12p on Economy 7 as price rises. But soon after hitting 12p, I've switched to EV tariff charging 8p (Bulb) and now 7.5p (Octopus). I have full breakdown of servicing costs. Both had new tyres and new front brake disk/pad. Skoda had dealer timing belt and DSG oil, otherwise indie servicing done on schedule. Whereas Leaf didn't get any servicing beyond me checking battery with Leafspy and DIY the cabin filter. The depreciation cost will be off the charts when I replace the diesel Skoda with Tesla Model Y...... luckily it's paid in cash. Same as all my previous cars, I always pay cash or pay off PCP ASAP, if the PCP deal have other benefits. Thus the above depreciation cost are purely speculative estimates based on car value probably drop 40% every 3 years. If you can charge at home, I think EV ownership just need to get used to much lower fuel cost but higher depreciation cost. This calculation made sense in 2017 when I bought my EV. It will continue to make sense for as long as EV tariff are available.

Unfortunately it's a systematic issue. Dealerships are staffed by people driving ICE cars and only been on training courses for EV's. People who don't fully understand the difference between EV charging and filling up petrol. The charging speed difference and typical use-cases for each types of charging need to be drilled into people's heads.

I'm on Octopus Go with 35.11p per kWh daytime, signed up just over a month ago. It's not much increase from current unit cap. Because it's fixed for 12 months, I've even considered getting my parents to use this despite not having EV. Unfortunately the price have risen recently to 40+p, making it pointless for non-EV users. I too work from home a lot of days (eg. now), pretty much all of WFH computer stuff are powered from my 7 years old roof-top solar PV. Unfortunately it is too small and cannot satisfy Zappi EV charger's 1.6 kW minimum rate to charge the car solely from solar.

Home charging is still at 7.5p/kWh for cheapest EV focused tariff. This still gives ~3p per mile cost. Diesel at £1.80 per liter still translate to ~15p per mile for me based on my previous lifetime average of £1.23 per liter and getting 10p per mile. As long as you can charge at home, it's still much cheaper driving EV's. Remembering there's also less service cost and tax-free emission zone benefits. But for purchase price, it's not looking good. I think the chip shortage have worsened the price differences. The demand for EV's doesn't seem to be disappearing, it seems to be ever increasing, which is not good for prices or even just incentive to design smaller cheaper EV's.

The problem is making people think 22kW is a replacement for real rapid charging and further complicating en-route charging stations. This need to be as straightforward as possible: slower charging at destination, as fast as possible CCS (in Europe) for en-route charging. There has to be a difference between destination and rapid charging. CCS and Chademo enforces that by being physically different plugs. With the ZE40 having CCS, I thought it would be the end of seeing Type 2's on rapid chargers. I *think* LOL-LOL have the CCS version of the Zoe?

No rapid charging = pointless EV for local runabout only. Not a true ICE replacement car. If it's a decision by Renault UK, then the person has clearly never driven an EV.

Ah yes, you are right. Tesla UMC stands for universal mobile connector, not charger! The brick in the domestic 3-pin is for safety checks. Not a charger.

Dec-Feb is current estimates for me when I released the hold on my order. It'll be the same as if people were place a new order now. This is current price, I remembered incorrectly for top spec price, either way, it's more than my Model Y order. +675 for paint options other than red. I haven't compared the spec closely, but a £52k AWD mid-trim Kia EV6 vs £56k Tesla Y LR still feels like no competition. I was expecting mid-£45k on other cars (with comparable spec) to make them worth considering. But that puts me in Niro EV level within Kia or ID3. I did note even now, their charging cable accessary is written as replacement or spare. So at very least you should get a Type 2 cable. FWIW, Tesla cannot say whether I will get the mobile charger, but will definitely get the Type 2 cable. I need another 7 or 8 meter one for home charging.

Yeah, Leaf does the same, though regen isn't as strong so it's acceptable. I would have expected re-gen to be mixed in gradually on cancelling CC. The Tesla seems to behave like I described. The touch screen controls seems okay to me personally. I only would have liked 2 button toggles, one for auto-hold off + release-brake-creep mode for parking. The other for acceleration mode, the standard is too much and chill doesn't give full beans until a few seconds after, unless I didn't press hard enough, there isn't appear to be kick-down to override chill mode. Both toggles can be added via 3rd party "S3XY button" if I can't get used to touch screen. The price is very similar for me, £49k for cheapest RWD EV6 with heatpump and a colour option or starting £57k for top spec EV6 trim VS £56k for my blue colour Y LR order that I made back in April-ish time. Of course, ordering one now the Y starts at £59k. I'm happy to pay a tiny bit more for guaranteed access to all superchargers on top of other chargers. There's also the lead time. New Niro EV lead time is similar to Tesla Y, but wife says it's Leaf sized, not big enough for road trips with grandparents (4 adults and 1 child). EV6 has 10-12 months lead time, same as Enyaq.

Well, the cables are a one time purchase. It's like the EV charger outside my house, Nissan contributed towards it, I only paid £99 upgrade to 7kW version. Now there's no other cost for any newer EV's. Same with cables, it's a first-time adoption cost. I test drove Skoda Enyaq, Kia EV6 and Tesla Model Y over the weekend. I've decided to keep and un-hold my Model Y reservation and forget about other EV's. It's just no competition in my eyes. The Skoda feels like a more modern version of my Octavia, replace ICE with electric bits. There's no battery pre-heating for rapid charging, sat-nav doesn't calculate en-route charging and the screen is as laggy as my 2013 Skoda. Though as a car, it's every bit Skoda and competent, only let down by poor EV-ness. The Kia EV6 ticks most boxes on paper and feels good to drive except for when cancelling ACC while i-pedal is engaged, it goes to max re-gen. But Kia dealership person kept feeding me BS on EV's (claims it can do up to 350 miles, claims "will soon able to access" all Tesla supercharger, claims new Niro EV is also 800v) despite I've told him I've been driving EV for many years. Also pushes me towards Niro EV due to shorter lead time. Not the kind of dealership I want to deal with TBH.

There's no rule, it is up to the individual whether they want to give up the spot. Hybrids don't self charge, they pollute and burn fossil fuel to get energy to charge their battery. 100% of their energy comes from fossil fuel. Plug-in hybrids can charge by either burn fossil fuel or plug in to the grid where an ever increasing portion of electricity is generated via renewables. But the difference between PHEV and pure EV is that PHEV can continue their journey on fossil fuel, so unable to plug in does not affect their schedule. Whereas unable to plug in in pure battery EV will mean they need to stop mid-journey to rapid charge, making journey time longer. So Richard is being nice to EV owners who can benefit the most from able to plug in.

Sorry to say, I've bought enough tech products: don't trust any promised feature update unless it is written in black and white on a signed paper. Even then, expect delays.

That JoG to LE run was fantastic. Just 1:23 of charging for 840 miles. Really shows how capable EV's are these days. First comment my wife made, with our EV long distance experience wasn't on range, "he must have been really lucky with chargers". Of course my reply was that he had full access to Tesla superchargers.

Seems like pretty standard disconnect between dealer and manufacturer. Dealer is interested in shifting whatever cars they get, in their tiny corner of the market. You happen to be matched to a car without good communication regarding model year features. Something I doubt dealers have clear understanding. Whereas the manufacturer don't know of your individual case and doesn't give a flying monkey as long as cars are delivered to dealers. The sooner we can get rid of this dealership model the better. I'm tired of them being the gatekeeper to my access to car manufacturers.

Ah okay. So Kia EV6 also have the heat scavenging system as Tesla. Where it takes "waste" heat from battery to warm up battery. Then yes, turn off/down cabin heating will make sure heat is preserved in the battery.

That's certainly my understanding of how Tesla does it, if you didn't navigate to a supercharger, from studying TeslaBjorn videos. Not sure I follow. If there's no software linkage between Nav and battery heater, how does how does it know you are 15min out and how does it know when to start the battery heater? Max regen and driving like a mad kangaroo will certainly help heat up the battery slightly.

Monthly base cost is based on £600 for EV and £400 for petrol/diesel as per your post saying £200 difference. £200 difference comes out to cost 25p/mile. So base cost double that would probably be double that in terms of cost/mile. Hence 50p/mile base cost. Used car market is crazy right now. Even more crazy for EV's. Good if I want to make a case for depreciation vs my diesel, but bad for anyone looking to purchase. It's not normal and very difficult to make comparisons. As keyboard warrior, I would only compare new cars.