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Interesting stat from a Cambridge professor in heavy vehicles: It takes 18 times more fuel trucks to deliver same amount of energy as a truck of diesel. So there goes the transportation argument for hydrogen. According to the podcast, ALL current hydrogen refuel stations electrolysis has been done on-site. Meaning instead of 1 kWh of energy going into a battery and then into 0.8 kWh of energy turning wheels, we have to have the same grid infrastructure built and only get 0.4 kWh of energy turning the wheels. For storage, EV are battery on wheels. My Tesla stats show over last month or so, 900-ish miles (above UK average), 96% of the time car is parked. During this 96% of its existence, it can be used to store excess renewable energy. The processor is involved with this organisation. Instead of fossil fuel lobbying and politics, this is an science evidence based website on hydrogen. Its blog do fact checking on hydrogen claims: https://h2sciencecoalition.com/blog/

I am saying they are still very cheap to run as long as you can charge on EV tariff, nothing has changed from 2017 when I got Leaf to now. On more upfront costs, looking at used EV prices, I don't think owning an EV will be a costly experience thanks to high residual values and ever higher demand for used EV's. Same as Leaf, I'm pretty confident my Model Y will effectively be riding the wave front of limited used supply curve for a highly reputable car. Just look at prices for cheapest used Model 3. Here's a good example, my Nissan Leaf was just under £9000 from main dealer back in 2017. Now asking price is higher for a slightly older car at an indie dealer: https://www.speakev.com/threads/for...-acenta-24kwh-3-3kw-charger-57k-miles.172501/ Another case in point: I sold my Skoda Octavia diesel for £5200 to a dealer, advertised privately and all the questions were "is it ULEZ compliant?" zero interest after that. I am confident I can sell my Nissan Leaf for well over £8k to a dealer. In fact, motorway are offering £8,739 for the Leaf while £5000 for Octy. Both were bought in 2017 for similar price. Granted, current used market is crazy, but I wouldn't expect such a huge difference between cars that used to worth so similar. So I can only put it down to changing public perception that created ever increasing demand. When demand for cheap used EV out strip a very limited supply......

Only if regularly doing long trips. As long as (something like) over half of charging is done at home on EV tariff, you'll see a running cost reduction. Overwhelmingly vast majority of driving start from home seems like a normal thing to do for most people....... ? I've been on day-out trips that would have been driving the diesel car instead of Leaf. I've yet to use more than 60% of the battery on any of the day-out trips. Apart from trying out supercharging, I've not visited any public charging infrastructure during first month of long range EV ownership. That's with just 1 charge point exclusively using 4 hours cheap period for 2 EV's. So I think you'd have to be going on more than 400 miles trips more than twice a week to make EV unattractive from cost perspective. Also at quiet supercharger locations like at the hotel near Heathrow T5, the price is 36p/kWh for 24 (V3 IIRC) charging stalls. Same as motorway petrol stations, always worth looking ahead and see if there's cheaper alternative locations. Around M1 and M25, I see Tesla has 3 more locations planned for Q1 2023, probably due to South Mimms is always near capacity.

So your next car, going back to diesels or sticking with EV's? Get an EV that can do 250 miles in any weather, eg 300 miles rated range. If you charge at home, running cost would be vastly cheaper. Eg. I drove 90 miles today, used just over 30% battery. 35% needs exactly 4 hours to charge. On Octopus Go at 7.5p/kWh for off-peak 4 hours, 35% would cost £2.10. As long as your average daily mileage is less than ~100 miles, you can plug in everyday and gradually build up your range with 4 hours cheap electricity after a long day's driving. If you drive that distance every day, a long range EV will still work but savings wouldn't be as much. As always, to get maximum saving, you need a driveway and switch to EV focused tariff like Octopus Go.

Ah yes, that's right, 22kW is cheapest. Sorry, forgot to mention that. Hopefully more cars join this and opens the door for people who is willing to wait a bit longer or willing to move their car after reaching ~50% and no longer making full use of the ultra-rapid chargers

Gridserve now also increasing price, to 66p at most, 64p at "electric forecourt". https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575101105054154752

Oh dear, please link me? Wonder what is the problem. May be it's a case of "we'll have this in the future, please don't look at other brands". The typical game of "fast follower" game traditional car manufacturers do. Ah okay. Without 5 seats, I can see why you compared it against Citygo.

It's a new week tomorrow, and near end of the working week is when EV technician is in? What just shows how much that dealership cares about EV's.....

Funny enough, in my Email to the Skoda sales declining Enyaq, apart from a rant about bad public charging, I did mention if there is an electric Fabia we'll be interested to replace our Nissan Leaf. As long as it gets 5 seat belts, we would be interested for one to function for school run and kiddy taxi.

2026 or later car, streamlined low front area, saloon shape, 200kW FWD, 89kWh battery………. Only 370 miles expected WLTP range. Feels like efficiency is about same as my 2022 model year fat faced Tesla SUV, ~78 kWh battery and 330 miles WLTP. Why aren’t they using the RWD MEB platform? ID3 is said to be pretty efficient.

3/4 unhappy with public charging? Add me to the list! From 2017 to now, over my 5 years of Leaf ownership, I rarely had a good public charging experience. Well, it was good once earlier this year at MFG, 12 stalls, mostly available. But other times it's always been a game of chance, only finding out when driving up to the chargers. That's why I hugely hate the single/twin stall at random locations. And why I plan to pretty much only use Tesla rapid chargers from car infotainment system when out of home range.

LOL, average of 13p/kWh last 31 days.

The smart meter messaging is all wrong. The point of smart meter is to allow time-of-use tariff like Octopus Go. Also got to remember direct debit is meant to be average over 1 year. Winter costs go up by a lot, so only having a few £ in credit going into winter wouldn't be enough. That's why they want to rise your DD payments. I like to be in excess whenever possible. So I don't mind overpaying and have pretty much always been in credit for energy companies. I got around £300 back from Bulb when I switched away in June. Same. 3 bed house with zero cutting back on consumption, many smart home devices on 24/7 and all miles on electric. I was thinking £186 pm seems reasonable and was prepared for over £200 pm DD given "typical household" will be £208 without electric cars. Octopus Email says they've stopped advertising and are 4% cheaper than price guarantee. Meanwhile I'm still seeing Shell energy supplier adverts on reddit. Once a fossil fuel greedy corp, always a greedy corp.

I've been paying £186 pm since June-ish time when I switched to Octopus. Got over £500 in credit last bill. Happy to see the same Email that they are taking £67 off my DD. I think I'm in pretty good shape for this winter, won't have huge bill changes. Before COVID, my DD was around £100. So less than double cost now plus 100% mileage now on electricity doesn't feel excessive at all. I'm happy to pay up to £200 pm. But it's sad to see "typical household" bills go from around £1000 to £2500. Not sure why my bill hasn't increased by similar percentage.......

I had a look in the car. Most locations used to be ~52p/kWh before the Email, now most are at 67p/kWh. In the app shows non-members pay 77p/kWh. Although there are a couple quiet locations at just 34p/kWh and non-members pay 54p/kWh. I think reasonably priced compared to others.

I like the app with time and date printed on top. So a photo or screenshot is all you need to record the car's state. The miles off odometer is very dodgy, it should never happen. Gotta be careful with second hand EV from PSA.

There's a point where percent charge at home on EV tariff vs percent charge at public chargers. If you go over that point, you are better off buying dino-juice. Always got to remember, for most people, rapid charging is rare. I used to do it once in a blue moon in Leaf, I don't foresee needing it for our normal day-out in the Tesla, only during actual road trips. So I personally don't care about rapid charging prices, I only care about the service associated with it: many stalls per loc, toilet, restaurant, etc. Also got to remember, destination charging is usually much cheaper or sometimes free if you can get on them. ABC = always be charging.

£1 per kWh has been broken:

So I finally sold it to a not-so-local dealer. I showed Motorway price to him and he agreed to pay the motorway price. 2013 Skoda Octavia 2l diesel, sold for £5200 to a dealer just outside M25. Unfortunately trying to sell it locally was fruitless. I live very close to North Circular, driving into it need ULEZ compliant car to avoid £12 per day. All enquiries were "is it ULEZ compliant". Can't you read it's a 2013 diesel...... I had it on Carwow for a week initially for £5250, no dealer bid on it. So overall happy with the price I got. In summary, to get best price, have to do some legwork and talk to dealers if private sale is fruitless. So overall cost for me to run this car for 30k miles VS running a similarly priced Nissan Leaf for 36k miles and very pessimistic resale value. edit: if anyone bought this, I can tell you all about this car: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202209149769755

Yeah...... this need enforcing.... until charging points are at every space, it's not a parking spot. It's worse with PHEV drivers who don't bother learn about charging. I've had a HUGE Range Rover pull onto Ikea pavement next to the charger, it was during the petrol pump shortages. When I went and pointed out this is the pavement and awfully close to children's play area, the driver gleefully said "this is electric". I didn't bother correcting him on the fact the single Ikea charger only had CCS and Chademo, not suitable for his pointless PHEV that probably never gotten plugged in. I only pointed out this is the pavement and charging spots are on the other side, with a queue.

Just like "whether worth to switch to economy7". There's 2 important questions for EV ownership: "whether worth it to switch to EV tariff" and "what ratio of DC rapid vs home charging makes EV cheaper". For EV tariff, someone calculated you need at least 25% during the cheaper periods. For DC rapid ratio, not only home charge prices, it will also depend on which network you use and their ever changing prices. I'd guestimate DC rapid need to be less than 2/3 with other 1/3 on EV cheap tariff. So as long as you don't only do 2 mile school runs, it will be worth switching to EV tariff. Then with a long enough range EV (eg. 250 any weather miles), EV will still be very cheap to run for most people as most people wouldn't need to rapid charge 500 miles on a regular basis.

Yes, I just missed the Go tariff that is 7.5p/30p. Have to use 35p in July. There is also "Intelligent Octopus", where with a compatible car or charger, you hand over control of car charging to Octopus. Tell them what percentage at what time you need the car, and they take care of the rest. You get 6 hour slot 11:30pm to 5:30 guaranteed at 7.5p, in addition, if Octopus deems beneficial to the grid or you need the charge, they will also grant more cheaper period and remotely get the car charged outside cheap periods. https://octopus.energy/intelligent-octopus/ For me this is the right tariff. Because I can only get 35% over 4 hour period for my Tesla. My drive to work will use 20-25%. So I need to recharge every single day if I have to go to office all weekdays and weekends come home with empty battery and need full for next weekend.

Hum, I wonder what will be the daytime rates for Octopus Intelligent. I want to switch for longer cheap periods. So cheaper for me to run electric heater in bedrooms during 0:30-4:30 Go tariff at 7.5p 100% efficiency than central heating at 10p 90% efficiency.

Kicking the can down the road, let's "borrow" more to pay for this mess. At least this means charging EV is still cheaper than petrol/diesel for 2 years..... but until we see p/kWh all this price cap/guarantee are completely meaningless.