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Not quite public charger price change. But Octopus EV tariffs have just had their off-peak price risen by quite a high percentage. From 7.5p/kWh for all EV tariff to 12p/kWh for 4 hr Go and 10p/kWh for 6 hr Intelligent. From 40p to 44p day time. While gov subsidised economy 7 is just 14p/40p. https://www.speakev.com/threads/new-offpeak-rates-octopus-go-12p-intelligent-octopus-10p-😭.172894/ (didn't know emoji can be used in URL) On personal note, I've been accepted to next stage for the Indra V2H trial with my Nissan Leaf. If I can get it eventually installed, the off-peak rate will be the only rate I'll ever care about. With a compatible car (Tesla) I can get the 10p Intelligent tariff when my fixed Go tariff (7.5p/35p) comes to an end mid next year. Currently 2.66p/mile according to Tesla telemetric based on miles driven vs kWh charged, this will become 4.26p/mi at 12p and 3.55p/mi at 10p. Tesla have also added time-of-use tariff to all their superchargers, around half price overnight, as well as Google maps style busy bar graph for their chargers. Of course, if you got to charge you got to charge, so it's not really useful as opposed to home time-of-use tariff.

If this wasn't a political statement and attempt at influencing people due to political reason, I don't know what is! I have to wonder if I was picked on because I was promoting EV on an EV sub-forum...... 🙄 I see Chinese goods same as fossil fuel that we've been using and dependent for decades, it was okay to buy from oil cartel with but now it's not okay to buy from a different regimen. But it was okay to buy phones with potentially more hidden surveillance inside.

Why is there a Tesla charging and using up non-Tesla rapid chargers when there's so many supercharger available?

Good morning, I see you were not able to back up your statement of calling me a hypocrite, linking FUD and influencing toward EV with any solid reasoning, other than saying your unrelated opinion that car forum is only for fixing cars. 😂 Good day to you, in case you ever read this. Please do treat everyone equally, go about everything based on logic and facts. What problem is there with National Grid? Care to elaborate?

Fair enough. That's your opinion and you are perfectly entitled to it. But I politely remind you that everyone should be treated equal, I wasn't the first person promoting political stance in this thread. I personally see point of car forum to discuss cars. I feel I've done nothing else other than discuss different types of cars, EV in an EV subform. My opinion showed through and so did your opinion, and I think that's perfectly fine on a forum. When did sharing opinions about a specific thing on the specific sub-forum became "promote ideological stances"? But I don't see how this has got ANYTHING to do with FUD or influencing. I have been trying really hard to remove fear, uncertainty and doubt about EV's from misinformation, yet you say I'm hypocritical. You haven't really explained your reasoning for saying I'm hypocritical and how it links to influence people toward EV's. All I've been doing in this thread is try to provide as much factual information as possible and ask for clarification. Absolutely zero attempt at influencing......... no phases like "you should" or "you need to".

I'm not seeking to reach agreement. I'm very interested why you would class influencing people toward EV the same as spreading FUD. It just feels as though you haven't got a good reason to back up your earlier claim that I was hypocritical. There has to be a reason to class someone as hypocritical, even if I may not agree, I'm interested.

I'm puzzled, why is influencing people toward EV has anything to do with spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt? If anything, it's removing fear, clarifying uncertainty and doubt by presenting facts through official or well researched sources. Please do elaborate on your reasoning. I'm afraid I'm not following.

Again, it's a sarcastic re-wording of @Crasher not an attack but a way to point out the laughable over dramatic statement that was made. If you are asking me, then I think you should also ask @Crasher why it's okay to try to make everyone feel guilty who may have recently purchased or be planning to purchase a Chinese car.

The sentence can only be interpreted as my personal opinion. When have anyone used that sentence construct to state facts? Also, as pointed out, it was a sarcastic re-wording of the over dramatic quoted post.

The thing one has to remember is that if we don't provide respectable sources to the information we write, it means the statements are personal opinions or worse, deliberate attempt at spreading misinformation, or FUD as they call it (fear, uncertainty and doubt). Sorry to say, some of the things you wrote is quite hard to read as though it is your personal opinion. Prime examples of FUD:

No, I am simply writing replies to your statements. There's no prepared replies to anything other than wanting to seek out truth from tabloid headlines. If you are not prepared to stand behind your statements, then don't make them. It's that simple. If you make any statements, then provide sources, otherwise you are just a simple armchair keyboard warrior that has zero credibility.

Please do share this document. Please do define your "1 tonne chemical bomb". Reliability - the quality of being trustworthy or of performing consistently well. Why is it wrong to ban ICE when it has been proven to cause more climate change, cancer and death? Is it undemocratic for the government to put people's best interest at heart and ban a technology that can be easily replaced with another?

What else could you be referring when referring batteries as "bomb"? Did I misunderstood you and you were talking about a highly flammable liquid? I have a 8 years old first-gen Nissan Leaf, zero problem with it at all and have done zero powertrain servicing after warranty ran out. I don't expect ANY problem with the electric powertrain, unlike younger ICE cars I've had previously. The abstract for the documentary summarises it quite well: Drax power station is chopping down trees from precious forests. End of the day, it's still burning, it's not clean by any stretch of imagination. What has this got anything to do with things that are truly clean: solar, wind, tilde or nuclear? Power will come from existing national grid capacity, that has spare capacity to power ALL cars if ALL cars were electric overnight. Straight from horse's mouth: https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/journey-to-net-zero/electric-vehicles-myths-misconceptions The knife edge brown out you speak of is during peak demand periods. The root cause for this is due to too much demand and supply not able to follow, this is old and expensive method of matching supply to demand. EV can actually help us to get cheaper electricity by allowing more cheap renewables or nuclear baseload to be built and reduce variations between peak and off-peak demand. The smart way is to match demand to renewable supplies. Let's see: - cancer inducing localised air pollution from tailpipe - majority of slowing down produces brake dust - horrendous life-time green house gas emissions - inconvenience of having to detour somewhere to refuel - re-fuel prices tied to geopolitics and oil cartels - many moving parts and high maintenance requirements Compared to: - no tailpipe emission, less brake dust - much lower lifetime green house gas emission - recharge at home, takes 5s to plug/unplug - recharge while stopped for toilet/food during a long trip - stable re-charge prices - zero maintenance requirement for the powertrain means zero downtime garage visits Again, not trying to change your mind. But it would be good if you stop spreading misinformation, such as questioning the grid capacity, EV reliability and safety.

Wow, where to begin...... If that is how you feel, I don't think anything posted on any forum can made any impact. But let me set the facts right: - old technology that used to work well does not mean we can ignore modern realisation on its damaging effects - synthetic fuel requires huge amount of electricity and the burn cycle still produces extremely harmful NOx - the distribution and mining of fossil fuel also produces a lot of harmful emissions, this has NEVER been accounted for in any lifetime vehicle studies, only pump to wheel for ICE cars. Compared to electricity production - transmission - charging - wheel AND battery mining + production for EV's - batteries can burn violently if punctured or damaged. But as percentage, EV fires are rarer than ICE car fires.

https://youtu.be/sqj0NcWBAZ8 Amazing economy from Seat Mii EV, over 7 mi/kWh!

How anyone can pay to bring another ICE into the world with a clean conscience eludes me... By the way, the device you used to post that, where was it made?

Similar, but only after plugging in BEV becomes normal. Then introduce hydrogen FC extended range EV for the final few and only have hydrogen refuel stations on trunk roads for people using those cars to drive long distances. Will still need to plug in whenever possible. I think this is the way government will go unfortunately. Remove price linkage to fossil fuel requires a rewrite of UK's electricity market. So won't be the first one. Getting new contract will usually mean one party getting screwed over. So if government is looking to save pennies due to introduction of price guarantee, it would mean renewable generation getting the raw deal.

It makes absolutely ZERO sense to put a cap on cheap renewable revenue when the increased price is induced by rising gas price. It sends the wrong message and will stifle investment in new renewable projects. The electricity pricing system is broken. Solution: fix the system! The generation is too reliant on one form of expensive fuel, solution: incentivise to get more cheaper generation built, not cap their profits! I'm sure have nothing to do with party funds funnelled from the fossil fuel industry. Hell, Truss spent four years working for Shell.

On one hand, the charging infrastructure is well under way and easily put in for 60% of the population. On the other hand, it's extremely inefficient, next to no infrastructure and opens the door for more fossil fuel involvement as "stepping stone". Insert here what Luckypants said. Yes, there are the 40% often quoted to be drivewayless. This is where public infrastructure need to step up. Yes, there are those who actually NEED 600 miles of range within 5min re-energise. Let's be honest, they are the minority. My suggestion is to ensure BEV is rolled out in a massive scale to ensure public perception of cars has changed and plugging in has become totally normal...... Before even think about introducing hydrogen fuel cell. Reason for normalising plugging in is less to do with personal transport, more to do with using these valuable batteries as solution to our expensive gas powered electricity grid. We need more cheap renewables, and the only way we can have reliable grid with cheap renewables is to have huge amount of storage capacity on the grid. Where are those storage capacity? They are on wheels not doing anything 90% of the time.

I have signed up for this and if chosen for this, I'll bet it installed: https://www.indra.co.uk/v2h Don't need to buy any new car, my 2014 car works just fine. Indeed, currently fastest house-improvement to get pay-back is a home battery.

7.5p/kWh is still available: 6+ hours with compatible car or charger: https://octopus.energy/intelligent-octopus/ A better explanation of this tariff: https://www.octopusreferral.link/octopus-energy-intelligent-tariff/ 4 hours for all EV drivers: https://octopus.energy/go/ I'm on the 4 hour tariff, it's locked in for 1 year at 7.5p off-peak and 35p other times, similar unit cost to current price "cap/guarantee". I believe signing up now, for both tariff is 7.5p off peak and 40p other times. So I'll switch to the 6+ hour one after winter, to maximise 5p saving during dark wintery days at home. My last bill, Aug-Sep, showed I averaged ~12.5p/kWh for that month thanks to shifting majority of electricity usage to cheap periods. So as long as you avoid expensive rapid charging like avoiding using motorway service petrol stations, EV running cost can be extremely cheap.

The important thing is that you've seriously considered EV and weighed up all your options Hopefully MG4 will convince car manufacturers to lower their prices to complete. But it's difficult to achieve with supply chain woes and rising costs of everything.

Currently planning a weekend 260 miles round trip to Birmingham. I think I won't need any charging, but if I do, a very quick splash&dash at Rugby service with 12 supercharger and 12 other charger (total 24 compatible) hopefully means zero queuing on Sunday night. I'll be relying on the remaining charge calculation in sat-nav, I've found it to be spot on when driving "70mph" on the right-most lane and I can beat its estimates when driving in traffic at 60-70mph. Vast majority of electricity will be from home at 7.5p/kWh. Battery size is ~78 kWh, I'm confident 3.5 mi/kWh is easily achievable, that means total cost for the 260 miles trip will be less than £5.85. Worst case it's going to be up to £10 if need to public charging, which is still just 3.8p/mile. TBH, I think it's a case of matching the car to needs. If the person really need to drive 300 miles most days, then a long range EV will still work as long as charging from home on EV tariff. If it's mostly for shorter commuting, a 100-ish car will do the job nicely and without too much extra upfront cost. Then pay slightly more to rapid charging on those rare occasions. Still vastly cheaper than fossil fuel as long as charging from home on EV tariff.

Pretty standard from main dealer in my experience. Especially with software issues. All they know is changing mechanical parts at customer's expense. At very least you got screenwash fluid topped up and new cabin filter? 😅 Pretty much the only reason to take EV for service..... oh and the sandpaper wash.

No financial interest in relation to any generation or supply what so ever. I'm only guilty of being interested with the tech and very frustrated at the speed of transition due to non-science-based "debates" created by fossil fuel industry. So I try to dispel as much mis-conception as possible. The only tangible link is that I am an electronic engineer. So wider adoption and higher demand for electronics could in-directly benefit my job perspectives. But my current employer have absolutely zero stake in this market.