Graham Butcher

The average driver just is not capable of handling them safely, just like guns. You have the money, you can walk into a car showroom slap your money on the desk and drive away behind the wheel of a lethal killing machine. My 2 litre diesel 150hp car has all the squirt of power you would need to jump out of blind spots, not that you should be applying power in blind spots, because as the name implies, it's a blind spot and so are you at that moment, and you could be hurtling into a massive crash

And here is another way.

Only at the added expense of everyone's insurance climbing through the roof. The world really does not need the hugely powerful cars that it already has. There are so few opportunities to be able to fully exploit their performance without taking massive gambles not only with your life as the driver, but also gambling with the lives of your passengers as well as all the other road users. Want to experience that type of power, go to a racetrack where you will be among other similar minded folk, speed junkies. I reserve judgement on if EV cars will be the saviour of the planet, I think we will discover some real horror stories over the years in just the same fashion that are about the impact of fossil fuels, which, we are now really getting to grips with the minimising of fossil fuel damage, and just as we are dramatically reducing the harm that ICE has been doing, we go and destroy that work by introducing larger, heavier vehicles with ever-increasing engine sizes and emissions

Agreed, lighter and more efficient vehicles of both ICE and BEV varieties would be of great benefit all round for everybody. We started down that road a while back, and then everybody decided that they all wanted to have these huge great powerful mud pluggers in cities, which of course we all know is where their capabilities are really needed🙄. Huge great 4x4s and other similar SUV's are just spewing vast amounts of Co2 and other emissions and are wiping out the reductions that others are making by opting for more sensible sized power plants and efficiency. Do these people not understand that we all need to make compromises in order to clean up our act and ensure that our and future descendants have a planet that is capable of supporting them?

The Nissan is hardly special though is it, at least I don't think it is. It still is ICE and only achieves at best 53mpg. I can get over 62mpg from my diesel and over 600 miles from it's 60litre tank, is a 2litre engine of 150hp output. Those mpg figures have been achieved with nye on 40 stones of bodies in the car. It has zero capability of ever being zero emission in town though, despite it being more efficient.

What is your top priority here, getting your hands on a good performance car (self first) or putting the planet (allegedly) first? 😄

Well according to this video from "Just Get a Tesla" the model Y has 15V Lithium-ion battery rather than a 12V lead acid battery and that battery is supposed to be a "Life Time" battery that costs, wait for it, £2,000.

Well that fact alone that there is a "Chill" mode that damps the acceleration etc to a more controllable rate and something akin to the more everyday family car is a massive big nail in the early adoption of electric as a motive power then in my view. I'm guessing that the decision was made to offer the customer the choice of average or blistering performance was a good marketing ploy, but in reality might actually have been a massive mistake as it looks likely to be part of the insurance rise in general for all cars and not just EV's because EVs are not just going to crash into EVs are they? They should have just kept to the traditional sales strategy of having the normal runabout car and hot option at an additional cost, not very well thought through marketing teams. 😒

I thought that Tesla had gone with Lithium battery for the car normal electrics and not lead acid, or have I got that wrong?

I think the term milk float is purely used as a joke only, it is not a reference to how EVs perform. It is perfectly possible to get EVs to accurately mimic a normal ICE powered family car. It's called a soft start and is already used in industry where it is often desired to run certain processes at slow speeds and gradually ramp up speed as required. Surely it is beyond man's capability to understand this would encourage the uptake of EVs, if insurance costs were not going up and drivers can see a greater parity to what they are used to already and if they could see that they were more affordable to all.

That has been my thoughts for a long time now and is more than likely one of the reasons for the huge jump in insurance premiums and until now, no insurance company has wanted to mention it because it did not fit the narrative currently being pushed by almost every country. The answer is there, staring everyone in the face, instead of making EV cars ever more powerful and have such blistering pace, develop them with power outputs and power delivery that mimic normal everyday ICE family cars. If they did that, it would mean fewer accidents, cheaper insurance, new drivers making the transition to EV would not be startled and caught out by their sheer power and as a result, the rapid tyre wear that a lot of people are reporting, the poor battery ranges would be all be dramatically improved along with the adoption of EV cars in general? Nobody actually needs all that much power or speed, any way, unless you're on a racetrack because for the vast amount of countries it would either be impossible to use due to traffic and road conditions, or illegal.

Maybe, but very entertaining, speaking of which, do you watch this channel?

Which is what?

This channel is a breath of fresh air IMO, well researched and balanced.

I also had both of those symptoms with my old car, new battery cured the stop/start and a new N/S rear wheel sensor also cured the christmas tree lights on the instrument cluster.

So it was almost the same as using the motorways over here with their 70mph limit, so no real reason for excessive tyre wear such that they barely last 10,000 miles.

@RootedLikewise, if I were to go to the USA, a Tesla would be the last car I'd want to drive, we can do that here very easily, I'd be wanting to drive something that was common there but rare over here, that's a given for sure 😁. I'd have expected a Tesla built in any of the locations to be built to the same standards, driving anyone should be the same as any of them apart from the position of the steering wheel of course.

Interesting story.

@Rootedactually I wasn't addressing anything specifically as relating to the UK roads. But why would roads over there cause more wear than here? I thought the NSL on their roads was a blanket 55mph if so, assuming it is adhered to, wouldn't that increase the life of tyres? I just thought the videos were interesting in their own right, especially the general built quality comments. Those that I have at seen up close, and there are many at my local airfield as they seem to be liked by pilots, I always seem to be impressed by the shut lines etc. However there there is a vast difference between between looking at them and living with them apparently, I have come across many other videos also expressing issues in that regard.

I just watched this chap moaning about his Tesla and also discussing its good points. He mentioned the lack of maintenance which saves him money, but then he claims that because the car is heavy that tyre costs far out weigh the saving in maintenance as they only last about 10,000 miles a set. Towards the of the video he moans about the road noise and says he can hear every bump in the road and says that it might be that they cheeped out on the grade of metal etc to keep the weight down a bit, so there is very little to dampen the noise? I think maybe he has a point there, as this video shows at approx 2:45 just how the panels flex when touched and can easily be dented.

I don't have any means to check what is its actually generating, only know what they told me. It was installed for free, and we can use as much of the power it generates for free, and any excess is sold to the grid by the installers as their payback for the free power to us. I guess that their way of looking at it was that there was a very good chance that during the day on weekdays, there would be nobody at home, so most of the power could be sold. Little did they know that I was working from home a large part of the time, and so was one of my sons. Now I've retired so spending a lot of time on the computer and doing my electronics so still using a lot of the power from the panels, my son now works in a warehouse 12 miles away so they are gaining a bit more now. It was installed IIRC in 2015/2016

Interesting videos, the first one was good, the 2nd one I thought was all over the place, how many times did he mention -26C, all the same, thanks for sharing.

@RootedWell all I can tell you is that I currently have 13 solar panels on the roof of my house, they are 1400mm by 800mm, and they are designed to provide 3kwh on a good day, and they face due South and never get any shade on them from other houses. I was told, when they were installed, that they would produce that kind of power on a good day in the height of summer when the sun is almost overhead at about midday. In the early mornings and evenings the sun is weaker and so the output would be lower. So based on that information, I would seriously question their claim about its effectiveness in the UK. However, the further south you go the better the results would be, so around the equator I suggest that you would have a greater possibility of actually getting the claimed figure. I have lots of solar-powered lights in the garden and also many different calculators and as you will probably know, I'm into electronics and love getting broken pieces of various equipment and repairing them as a hobby to keep me occupied in my retirement and my test meters can measure as low as 1 microvolt and I have done some tests with admittedly, small panels, with a 3,000 lumen LED torch and the highest output from the panels is with the torch directly above the panel and at close quarters, the further away the torch is, even when directly above the panel, the output drops rapidly as the torch gets higher above the panel. So based on that, I seriously doubt that in the UK you would nowhere close to the figures Fiskers say it is possible to achieve.

Precisely my point, we don't get enough of the old current bun here in the UK 👍

Sure would take a long time to top up the battery though.