Graham Butcher

@J.R.No I had allowed for the fuse but as you rightly said, petrol cars do not have a fuse in the ignition circuit and so anything fed via the ignition switch is also highly unlikely to be fused, but there will be some that run circuits via fuses after the switch, except for the ignition itself for safety reasons. But irrespective of the fuel type, there is always the risk of the DIY amateur electrician doing their own dodgy wiring, just as you did with your air horns. In the case of an EV, if it is a sub circuit of the normal car's wiring then the scenario you painted would be on the level of the diesel powered car, and it would like a diesel car in respect of the fire because it is just going to be the wiring and interior plastics etc in the fire at first and there would be every chance of the fire brigade turning up before the battery pack got to the critical stage as they are mounted beneath the car and flames and most of the heat will be going straight up. If the battery pack suffered a direct impact and penetration of the battery casing, then it would be very likely to create a dead short within the pack it and would quickly enter the runaway stage in a few seconds, and then it might be worse than a petrol fire in terms of the exit time you have to get out safely?

Oh, thats od when I read your post, the video wasn't there, now it is. Oh I must have got that wrong then, it seems as if he is buying the car and now wishing he wasn't, not that he doesn't like it because he does, but claims the infrastructure is not there at the moment and there also take a massive hit on the resale value. Maybe he should have done his research a bit better?

What valuation, for the battery or the car?

Thanks for the reply, so it would seem, reading between the lines as if there might have something wrong but Skoda didn't want to commit themselves to saying what it was. Fingers crossed I don't have anything like that happen with my car, I'm on my 5th Superb now in 19 years.

Except, I believe he said in an earlier video that this is a Porsche lease car and is still under warranty, so he would not be allowed to do that.

Agreed but with modern video editing etc, it does not mean that things happened in the sequence he portrays them though. TBH, I was hoping that someone might be able to verify if the reported £40,000 was correct or was that figure inflated? Of course the whole thing might just be one giant revenue generator for him and so could be staged?

I can't believe the price for a battery pack for a Porsche Taycan, £40,000 is the alleged Porsche price, fortunately a replacement wasn't required after all, but it does show you why if you have an accident and the battery is damaged, your car is going to be more than likely written off. (1174) I took my ELECTRIC CAR to the GARAGE! £40,000 for A NEW BATTERY EVer thought this is NOT the FUTURE? - YouTube

I've just posted a watch at the post office that I sold on eBay and when they asked me what was in the parcel, I replied a watch and they asked "Has it got a battery" FFS. A little battery, about 5mm by 2mm and they're worried about it, all encased in a chunky stainless steel case, WTF!

Yeah, generally the only thing you can rely on with the newspapers is the day and date, they all have shown over the years to write what their owners dictate and go in for a lot of clickbait.

I just received this in my inbox Whopping two-thirds of councils have no plans for residential on-street chargers – and car makers are getting increasingly frustrated about it | Regit For 2030 cutoff point things really need to be better planned than this.

Doesn't sound too good, does it?

Sorry, I can't answer that question, I doubt that anyone can.

He can't smoke it as he has a mouth full of cash, so no point in having a cigar 🤣

That is a possibility, I asked about the outcome as this thread has been brought up in another thread and I thought the answer might be a great help.

And yet that is just what they do all the time, we have all seen just how the MSM fails to report on lots of things😞

One thing in common with all 3 of the sad events you listed above is that nobody ever posted what the final conclusion was, and nobody it seems ever asked for any updates on the stories. I have now posted in each of the threads requesting if the OPs are still active members for an update on each of the incidents so we can all learn from them. With regard to the true situation with regard to EV car fires here in the UK, please follow these links, and you will see that there have been a lot of incidences and that as EV numbers are increasing all the time, the number of such events is growing rapidly. Also depending on where in the UK one lives, will also impact on the chances of you ever seeing and EV on fire, but as already mentioned in an earlier post, the larger cities are where there are more EVs and so it should not be a surprise that the lion share of EV uptake is in London and presumably this is highly likely to be because of the journeys arein the main only going to be short local ones, which again I suspected would be the case as I have always thought the range is not there yet nor the infrastructure to support longer trips, or adoption of EV's in less populated areas. FSM - FoI data reveals extent of electric vehicle battery fires in UK (fsmatters.com) Vehicle Fires – UK Fire Service Resources How safe are electric cars? | What Car? Are electric car fires really that common? | The Car Expert Electric cars ablaze on transporter on M1 | UK News | Sky News Electric vehicle fires on ships & ferries (evfiresafe.com) My electric BMW blew up and destroyed eight shops (thetimes.co.uk) Tesla car spontaneously catches fire, taking 22,000 litres of water to put it out | Evening Standard Norfolk firefighters face electric vehicle blaze dangers | Eastern Daily Press (edp24.co.uk) 7 Battery Electric Cars a Day Catch Fire in China: The Most Involved Brands - Batteries News

Please can you give us all an update on what was the final verdict on this sad event, we all need to be aware of the cause was in order to try to prevent a similar event from happening again to our cars.

So sorry for your loss, but I would appreciate it if you could please post the outcome of this sorry happening, it might help someone else out.

You said that the car off to Essex to be investigated, what was the end result please, I really don't understand why nobody has bothered to follow this up with you. The result might well be of assistance to someone else as well, so please post the outcome.

@tootThe cause of the parked BMWs catching fire, even when the owners stated that they had turned the engines off and the cars had been parked for sometime before the fire started could well be related to the fact all the ECU's on modern cars are still connected to the car's battery and therefore drawing power. Now this is normally not an issue unless the car has been sat for more than a few days because the current being drawn from the battery is only a few Millie amps (mA) but electronics do fail and so that current could become a few amps or even a dead short when 100s of amps would flow and cause cables to melt and further shorts until a fire is likely to the result unless the battery becomes flat in the meantime. Back in the day, cars catching fire when they had been parked was almost none existent as the electrics only really consisted in the main of lighting and ignition circuits, both of which are switched OFF when parked. Then along came clocks, radios, heated rear windows, then electronic ignition, fuel injection and Engine Control Modules, ABS, ATC, Climate Control etc until we got to what we have now where cars have loads of active circuits all the time, like the KESSY systems, Alarms etc. On the other point you made about EV fires in the UK, I'll be presenting some info on that later and the results are really quite surprising, and the data also shows why some think that this is not an issue while others do and this is where statistics come into play as any sane person would expect that the biggest concentration of fires is going to be where there is the greatest number EV's, which is the large Cities, the number of fires is rising rapidly which is what I expected as the cars age, the chances increase. Much in line as you would expect for mechanical issues with ICE vehicles, as they age, problems increase.

That is part of the problem, manufacturers covering up the problem, they will always push the envelope on any bad news to see what they can get away with, and will generally only respond in a positive fashion when they are forced to by massive legal actions.

To be honest, I really don't know the answer to that question. I only posted about them to give a more rounded picture about EVs. I just got a bit sick of seeing people denying the real facts about the risks, and those same people also pretending statistics don't apply. They also leap on any snippets of info hinting at no EVs were even involved in any of the recent ship fires. Truth is there has been a significant increase of these events over the same period that EVs have been shipped across the globe. We have been shipping cars for decades with few incidents, so logic suggests somethings changed, has petrol suddenly become more voliatile, nope. We need to apply critical thinking to what could be the cays. These ships been at sea for a long time when fires broke out. ICE cars cool down rapidly so any fire caused by leaking fluids contacting heat would have started before leaving the port?

Point was that EV cars have been catching fire and until now this has been suppressed, even Teslas have had their issues but the EV industry have been doing their best to keep under cover because they didn't want the bad publicity. Like all manufacturers, make mistakes from time to time and they nearly all deny that the issues are anything to with them, and they wait until there is a class lawsuit against them and they get caught out and made to put things right. Like VW and diesel gate, then it was discovered that they weren't the only ones cheating, Mercedes and BMW too were caught out I think you find and I doubt that they were the only ones. Manufacturers will try and get away with it if they can. A while ago Vauxhall Zafires were catching fire and Vauxhall were denying it as well and that is an ICE car, so it proves that all cars can have issues and catch fire. That Ford link you gave referred to Hybrids and PHEVs that were having the fire risks.

Oops EV cars catching fire due to faulty battery packs, what, not happening I hear many of you shouting at me, oh dear, well then, what about the Jaguar i-Pace, The Hyundai Kona and the Chevy Volt, all of which are using batteries made by LG Energy Solutions for which LG have agreed to pay GM and Hyundai $2.5Billion and now Land Rover Jaguar are after some money from them as well. Jaguar I-Pace Battery Class Action Lawsuit: LG Chem Batteries Again? (insideevs.com) Jaguar I-Pace Recalled Due To Potential Battery Fire Risk (insideevs.com) NHTSA_Safety_Issues.pdf NHTSA_Safety_Issues.pdf Edit. Update video of the Fremantle Highway, this video makes it clear that it is NOT yet known if EV's started the fire or how many did get caught in the fire, but there does appear to be a bit of a cover-up going on because the ship's owners have not released the manifest for ship's cargo and what was stored on which levels/decks of the ship, all of which will be on record with the owners as the loading had to have been planned for loading purposes to keep the ship stable etc. For the definitive answer, we will have to wait.

I wasn't aware of that fire because the media was preoccupied with other things, it seems currently that so much news that should be reported isn't 🙄. But that does illustrate the inherent dangers with electric vehicles judging by the report of a witness who said it sounded like a jet which does tend to imply that the batteries had entered the thermal runaway stage and were venting flames out sideways with a roar as has been captured on CCTV at EV charging points. It is these jets of flame that are the danger as it quickly spreads the fire to adjacent vehicles etc. In normal fires, the flames go upwards, and adjacent vehicles can often be moved out of the way before they sustain too much damage from the radiated heat.