Graham Butcher

I don't really accept the premise that the market is only growing at 0.8%, I think is pure BS. How many people on this forum have a set of winter and summer tyres, how many people are buying a second car, may a fun day, a car for the wife, a city run about and another as long distance cruiser. Sons and daughters buying cars all the time so the tyre market must be growing, surely.

I think that is the way it might ultimately go in the future, I'm sure the technology already exists to do that. Does anybody know if this is currently possible? Thinking about it, it might to some extent remove some of the current objections from possible buyers who cite not be able to charge at home as a barrier to buying a BEV?

I don't know the answer to that but you do have the many garages to choose from generally, the same cannot be said at the present moment for electric.

Yes, I do feel that council owned or privately owned chargers that are available to the public to use, should all be contained within a maximum price structure. They are free charge anything they like upto the maximum, so its not anti-competitive at all, it stops price gouging.

I was not advocating a fixed price but a maximum price, not sure why you thought I was. When take a ICE vehicle for filling and the price is say £1.45 per litre at garage A, then you know that its going to be within 1 or 2 per litre at garage B and C. The only time there is any real difference is on motorways where the price per litre will always be slightly more then if you were to leave the motorway and find a local garage. Currently from what I gather from this forum and many of the YT channels, there can be and are some pretty big swings between different suppliers / groups, and sometimes as much as 20p or more per kWh.

I think the real issue with charging regulations or the lack thereof is that there needs to be some form of regulation, especially over the price per kWh when it comes to public chargers, however the argument that I would expect to be presented by the providers is that it costs money for the chargers, the large charging hubs have to be located wherever there is suitable grid connection point. This point could be away from the main arterial routes like the Electric Forecourt in Braintree. They do take up a pretty large chunk of real estate when compared to a fossil fuel filling station, which has the capacity to yield a far bigger return on capital employed per hour than electric chargers could return. Yes there are mitigating circumstances which could help redress the balance slightly, for instance a filling station will need to hire some staff members whereas charge points all are self-service via either a credit/debit card or an account or a phone app., but the filling station will always win out on that front. However, all that being said, something does need to be done to give buyers of BEVs some sort of confidence about their running costs, even when home is impossible if the big switch over to electric power isn't to stall on the way.

What is it with you keep on taking things out of context? Read the rest of that post and you'll see that I was talking about spending money on the car since I got it. Even with the purchase price and what I have subsequently spend it is still far less than the same spec model of the same age and less mileage would have been. The thing being confirmed is that you are not understanding the context 😕

If you go back and read the original post, option B is a higher mileage but less years. I'd be mad to do what you said🙄

When I brought my new (to me Superb) I went with option B as well, although I have spent a bit on it since getting it last June, but it's still way beneath lower mileage models of the same age.

The public have always been aware there is a gap between trade buy in and retail and Matt video is far from the first showing trade in values so I don't think nothing has or will be changed by his video. Like it or not the public are getting feet about 2nd hand BEVs and the associated risk of having massive problems due to maybe the horrific state of the roads. Maybe they see Tesla as brand that will be there if they have problems and is the reason they didn't feature in the video?

The truth is that most private buyers when buying a NEW car will almost certainly take whatever the main dealer will offer as a trade in. They just can't be bothered with the hassle of selling privately, preferring to get all the wrangling done in one go and then get on with their life and enjoying their new car. Like it or not, the dealer is reflecting what he knows the car will sell for in a realistic time frame before they will have to make savage cuts to it's resale price in order get it shifted. That retail price is also a reflection of what the public are willing to pay for a particular car at a given time. It's what a cars perceived value and reputation at that time. Also companies like Mercedes Benz have come and said publicly that they are backing from BEV and that may deter buyers for fear of lack of support in future.

Ouch

It was a saying that my dear late Father used to say, "If they can find a way of charging us for the air we breathe, they will" and the low emission zones are getting close to making that happen.

@Ootohere Thanks for sharing these, thoroughly enjoyed watching them. I almost moved upto Scotland, 50 years when I worked at Halliburton in their Haverhill manufacturing factory which they were closing and they gave me the choice of Aberdeen service centre, Arbroath manufacturing site or going over to their HQ in Duncan in Oklahoma, in the end I chose none of them and left the company, a very good company to work for.

@Ootohere Well, I'm hoping that my days aren't over for a while yet, my Mum passed when she was 92, an Aunt who reached 100 and another who has recently celebrated her 100th birthday on the Isle of Wight so I might be around for another 25 years, God willing.

@Ootohereonce they have driven all ICE vehicles off the road and the air is at its best, the revenue from fines dries up, plan B will be unleashed. That is charging us for the clean air that we breathe 😆

Looking at the maps you posted, the only sensor/monitor in the zone is the one catching the air being blown from the docks like I said, the dock area is higher and that sensor is located in Market Street with the junction of Poynernook Road and the wind direction today there is southeast and with the docks being on the right, that would explain the high reading on that sensor.

OK would that be the Clepington Road charging hub then by any chance? I like the idea with the rainwater collection system and filtering it to free clean drinking water to drivers but at the same time I sincerely hope that they will actually look after the system and maintain it and keep the storage of water safely and suitable chilled to prevent bacteria from growing in it or the results could be nasty. I still fail to see the logic in this LEZ starting if the figures are already low. Do people up there not use gas for heating, is all heating electric? I ask because in other areas where I have noticed bad air being detected, it generally seems to be in large residential areas where gas is used for heating and cooking and monitoring stations right next to main trunk roads which I know to be very busy during the day are reading lower than those on the residential estates?

Oops, sorry my bad, I hadn't realised that traffic just materialises in those locations without using the A944, A93, A92, A956, A96 or the A978 where the monitoring stations are reading low and in the green safe zone. So do these polluting vehicles get beamed down into the docks etc from spaceships or lowered by helicopter to keep the main roads clear? 😆 Or is more likely to be processes etc being carried in the factories in those areas, I wonder?? I went to look at that link you posted and all I get is this, is it working OK for you or has that site got a problem?

This video by Geoff buys Cars has just been uploaded about LEZ being introduced in Aberdeen, Dundee and Edinburgh this year and he claims that the air quality has been tested and is deemed to be within the safe and legal limits. I just checked the air monitoring sites in Aberdeen and he is indeed correct, apart from the Docks and the industrial areas which are currently in the yellow sectors for quality, all other areas are in the green and low down in the green in terms of quality, the lower the number, the better the air is. The bad readings are coming from the Bridge of Don Industrial Estate, The Docks and the East and West Tullos industrial estates? Maybe @Ootohere could confirm if these LEZ are actually going ahead or if he is aware of them and the fact that the air overall is actually good? This is yet another illustration to my mind how we are all being gas lighted over the air quality and the cameras are destined for other uses in the future once they have been rolled out?

Here is some more news on the Tesla supercharger on going situation.

@Ootohere here is further information about them, I must admit I never knew that some of them were made right here in my county, and not too far away from me either. I do remember seeing a few on the back of lorries but assumed they were just passing through the county on their way to being delivered. Invacar - Wikipedia

Yes I do, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they were supplied free to people but as part of the numerous cuts over the years they were dropped and now people have to source their own mobility scooters on the open market?

I really give up with you, you simply cannot comprehend what you have said before and when someone pulls you up for it, you try and make all about the other person rather than accept responsibility for your own actions. The only valid view in your eyes is yours, its no wonder so many people have already told me publicly and via PMs and emails that they have already blocked you. I personally find that a shame because sometimes you make some excellent and valuable contributions to these discussions, sadly that's not now, and you're dragging this topic down and away from its intended purpose.

True, all too often these are just dropped onto their side and strewn across the footpath where they become real hazards to pedestrians, particularly at nighttime on poorly lit residential streets and an even bigger hazard to partially sighted and blind people.