Graham Butcher

To answer your question, no, he did not do it without stopping. He even stayed overnight in Edinburgh and this was even highlighted in the short videos. Seeing as this was 21 years ago, there was zero reference to EVs so that was not the reason the trail was carried out for. I think the reason was that it was around the time that diesel was being hailed as the fuel of the fuel and how economical it was seeing as it was 4 litre engine and at the time was the worlds most powerful diesel engine fitted to a standard production car. TBH I only posted that as a response to the post made by Ootohere about Audi getting into bother 11 years ago claiming better MPG than drivers were supposedly able to get from their cars, and that 10 years aft the Top Gear experiment which I expect was done in support of showing diesel as being a good choice of motive power. We all know that the actual mpg you get from any car regardless of it being an EV, Petrol or Diesel, will be considerably lower than claimed if you are using all the gadgets and AC, carrying extra weight and or driving in a spirited fashion or with under inflated tyres.

@wyx087 Thanks for sharing that video, but he did still have to stop and charge on that trip, whereas the Audi filled up in London and drove to Edinburgh and back to the same garage in London without any further filling, only filling after reaching the garage, so not quite the same is it, but still pretty impressive though. But I do wish people would not always use the "home charging" guff when not everyone who has an EV has the ability to do home charging and so very often have to rely on the public network which can around 79p a kW which completely blows the cost comparison to shreds. Why can't they assume the usage of public charge network as a given, the reader will be well aware that if charging from home, then the costs would far more favourable for the EV. Grrr.

Sorry if you think I'm trying to teach you, I'm not, merely posting something that may or may not be of interest to other members, it is up to the reader to evaluate if it interests them or not, same as it is when you and others post anything. If it is guff or not, again that is personal opinion. As to the class lawsuits, that has long been my opinion, and one that I posted about and drawn comparisons between it and diesel gate, so nothing new there. Do I hate EV cars?, hell no, I love all kinds of cars, but I have said that we should be able to freely choose the type of car that suits our own individual needs, seems perfectly logical to me. As to charging to 80% or 100% is akin to filling up a fuel tank to 80% or 100%, it will clearly make an impact on the range you can cover before refuelling is required. But the difference to my mind is that filling a tank to 80% or 100% has zero affect on the degradation or the lifespan of the tank, or the car overall, what it will mean is that if you are only doing short trips and you fill the tank, you are carrying a lot of excess weight which is not the case with a battery.

No, he had heating, but could not use the AC but he did use the radio, listened so he claimed to radio 2.

Meanwhile, there are others here who claim that it is wrong to charge above 80% on a regular basis and will shorten the lifespan of the battery and lead to faster degradation of its capacity, so who is correct and who is sprouting guff. Audi have had an V8 A8 driven by JC on Top Gear from London to Edinburgh and back again on 1 tank full of diesel which actually bettered their own WLTP figures and Audi even predicted that it was impossible to do that 800 mile trip on a single tank, but it did, proving that you really can if driven very carefully achieve the claimed figures. Has anyone ever managed to similar with an EV?

I had thought that there would class lawsuits being brought against makers of EV cars because of the claimed ranges not being achievable between charges, especially when you are supposed not to charge above 80% of its capacity to prolong the battery life. It now looks like that is highly likely to happen after a motorist took his claim to the ombudsman and won. I wonder how long it will be before adverts start appearing along the lines of the diesel gate ones? Volt(e)-face! How motorist took on electric car giant… and won | Daily Mail Online

I also don't think that the engine braking on a petrol is as good as it is on a diesel, thanks to the lower compression ratios.

With my diesel, if I put the mode into ECO and I'm doing more than 20mph, if I lift off the throttle the car goes into ECO mode and coasts and it can cover pretty good distance when coasting before I feel the need to give it a spurt of power again, providing the road is level or downhill. A quick dab on the brake pedal will restore some engine braking, another spurt on the juice and lift off and the car is once again coasting. If I go into the mode settings and select normal, the car no longer coasts and engine braking is also noticeably greater. There is a manual mode where I can select a lower gear when engine braking and the effect is even more pronounced, so it is possible with a little practise to use the brakes only for the final few yards before stopping.

But it is a sign that people are having to obey.

What do you mean eventually, they are already doing that 😉

Not a question about gloating but one about ethics and mixed messages!

Yes, Killwinning Fire was at a Battery Recycling Center, not a 'Breakers Yard', I noticed that too. However I expect the point he was trying to make was that the result could be similar to a car park that had a load of EV cars in it, which will be the case in the fullness of time as more and more ICE are sent to the scrapyard and replaced with EV's be they new or 2nd hand ones. The irony is to me at least that the government's own standing in the banning of any EV's in their own Westminster car parks and the Fire Dept in Liverpool, is flying full in the face of their big push towards the electrification of traffic and complete ban on the sales of new ICE in 2035. It sort of will be making drivers of EV's 2nd class citizens by preventing them using current underground or multi story car parks.

The latest in Car Parks and EV vehicles. Despite what some say about electric vehicles in comparison to diesel and or petrol, the nations fire services and also government are extremely concerned and this the result. I expect that we will see this spreading.

I have no idea why that yellow dot is there even because it only meant to be covering the UK.

Here is the UK air index shown on the map as of 16:36 on 3rd May 2024. The only spot that does not have good air is a spot on the west coast of Ireland.

This was seen today, parked in a charging bay at Sainsburys in Chipping Ongar, not even plugged and has been there a while and has a few tickets stuck on it.

Might have been the word on the street, but not been actually confirmed by BMW when the program was aired?

Oh dear, it seems that London and certainly the boroughs of Hillingdon, Hounslow and Ealing at least are struggling in being able to supply sufficient power to allow people buying EV's to have a home charger installed. I wonder where else this happening, I doubt that this is an isolated case. GLA_March2024_WestLondonUpdate_Checked_March 2024.pdf

Maybe so, but that does not mean the news of a longer range Mini was known before the broadcast, though. There has to be a point in time when a statement that was made in good faith becomes out of date following a press release from BMW.

Its on the BBC site, not very good reading, and it could possibly push the cost of their charging network up making them less attractive?

These programs are often recorded in advance, or at the very best researched in advance, and so it might just have been that the new improved range Mini was announced after the program was put to bed? Could it be that the Money Expert also came across a salesman like you did who was playing the yes, no game? These are the same thing and he was of course, making the point that you would be not able to purchase a "new" ICE car after 2035, which to a lot of people is a dealbreaker, they will only ever buy "new" as a status symbol is to be seen with the very latest registration plate. You could well be right on this point, that being said, he is not the only person to have made the same claim about funds being held for a while before being released back again, so may be there is some element of truth there, at least in England if not in Scotland? I can't see the relevance of the point here, he is not making the case as a business user, but as a private buyer, and those folk are not able to offset the cost against expenses, or claim back the 20% VAT so is not worth the mention Again, while you have a point, albeit a small one really because what else are you going to do while you're waiting for a charge to complete. Some people will just resort to drinks and snacks out of boredom, something that would be happening if you're driving an ICE vehicle, even if you have had to make a quick fill up, you're unlikely to stop for anything to eat or drink. I admit here, to not having watched this video of his yet, I have been spending time doing other things this week or so, more on that later....

Very nice, the fact that it seems L&K models seem to take so long being delivered is also very reassuring so you know it has not been preregistered by the dealer and left in a field for months waiting for buyer. I waited almost 5 months for mine.

Well in some cases they are heavier than some ICE cars, but there are far heavier ones out there as well as vans, trucks and buses.

No problem, however I would have thought that my statement on page 182 would have explained it all? Here is that statement "Its like I said, repeat a lie often enough, then the gullible will believe it. So all the damage is done by electric cars and none by far heavier vehicles then, Idiots don't seem able to apply logic and or think for themselves any longer.🙄"

@wyx087 Geez there sure are a load of numpties about if they fell for such an obvious piece of BS as https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute/news/daily-mail-admits-making-up-story-about-electric-vehicles-causing-potholes/ is the real cause of potholes. There are increasing numbers of private cars on the roads these days that weigh more than EV's do, and simply oodles of larger, far heavier vehicles as well. These are kind of people that politicians love as they can themselves get away with almost anything and tell those folk what they like because they know that they will simply believe them as it less work to believe everything that the authorities tell them, then it is to work things out and do research for themselves.