I've noticed on here that most people seem to prefer the Sachs clutch kit but I was having a look at the Allard site and they recommend just fitting an uprated friction disc as the first stage in upgrading the clutch.

The Allard way seems to be half the price of the Sachs route, is the preference for Sachs because it's a better piece of kit or just a case of you may as well change the whole clutch in one go than have to come back and do some work again if you just change the friction disc. Can someone enlighten me :confused:

I have done a search but can't find an answer.

I to would like an answer to this question. However, I do know that many people on here also utilise a Helix Clutch as total, all encompassing upgrade. I am led to believe that Allard can supply this unit as well. With regards to the other Allard applications, I think that they say that the other changes are sufficient to prolong the life of the clutch, and Allard's reputation is such that I would not disagree with this assessment.

Regards,

Mark

I guess it all depends on how much extra power your after. The Sachs seems to be fine if your only doing Remap/Exhaust/Filter but if you want bigger power then you have to start looking at a more compitent clutch or get a tame map and stay on the sachs.

Ive dealt with helix before, there great quality for the money, dont know what they are like in VAG engines mind.

Im trying to get Sachs onboard at work.....

Helix are good clutches, what im running, wanted that bit more, it does chatter at idle but i turn the music up - worth the performance gain

I'll say it again - the cheapest place i sourced a Helix and SMF was Mardi Gras Motorsport - Multiple Saloon Car Racing Champions - these guys are the experts when it comes to Helix and a good £50-£100 cheaper than anywhere else

my spec stage 3+ is savage,and the 4kg billet ally flywheel makes throttle response awesome,and the clutch being rated at close to 600ft lbs means its the last clutch you will ever ned,its just not for the faint hearted.

IIRC MardiGras are the importers of Helix i think thats why there cheap Jase...

Have I missed the point with Allard. I understand that if you are going for big power then you need a clutch to match. What I was wondering was if you just go; filter, exhaust, remap then you can get away with the standard clutch for a while but a lot of people spend a fair whack of money on the Sachs set up, but if Allard are saying you can get away with just the friction disc why aren't people choosing that option??

From what I can work out the Sachs set up costs nearly as much as a remap, filter, exhaust put togeteher, but the Allard route would be about the same cost as just the exhaust.

I can understand exactly what your saying here having just spent time researching clutches for my Tdi Golf (same lump as the VRS). I trawled both this forum and UK-MkIV's to see what the answer was as to what was the best value clutch setup to use to handle a remap ?

MY O.E.M. clutch started slipping with my remap after 10,000 miles and 65,000 miles total use. When I removed it I couldn't see anything wrong with it (I was sympathetic to the slip though and drove around it after it happened more than once in high gears and replaced the clutch shortly thereafter ) and it looked good for several thousand miles more but it was slipping with my remap.

I read about one guy (I think on MkIV's) who went the friction plate only route as suggested but I never saw any update on whether it was successful or not.

I decided to "bite the bullet" and go the Sachs Organic route and replaced the pressure plate, friction plate and thrust bearing. I took the view that as I was doing the job myself labour costs would be nil and most people would pay not that far short of £460 (JBS Sachs price delivered) for a standard OEM clutch including fitting anyway.

Also, If I were fitting just a friction plate I'm not sure I'd want to use the old pressure plate and so I would have had to factor in the cost of a new O.E.M. pressure plate as well and then would it be strong enough to do the job ? :eek:

Not worth the risk in my opinion !

So, having splashed out and replaced the clutch on Friday there (that six speed box weighs a ton by the way ! ) my impressions are that the new Sachs performance pressure plate gives the pedal a noticeably stronger feel than O.E.M. although, not so that it would be a problem even in stop/start traffic.

Another points to note is the bite seems a bit more vicious probably due to the non-sprung Sachs performance friction plate.

I haven't given it "the beans" yet to see if it will slip as I want to give it a few hundred miles to bed in but given the extra weight on the pedal my impression is that it won't !

So, I haven't answered your question but after considering this myself you have my views on this and the route I decided on.

What would you save anyway if you fitted an O.E.M. pressure plate (I'd not risk using the old one) and just the uprated friction plate, £100, £150 ???

Is it really worth risking having to take it all apart again and do it properly if it doesn't work ?:confused:

You pays your money and ..... !!!!

Have I missed the point with Allard. I understand that if you are going for big power then you need a clutch to match. What I was wondering was if you just go; filter, exhaust, remap then you can get away with the standard clutch for a while but a lot of people spend a fair whack of money on the Sachs set up, but if Allard are saying you can get away with just the friction disc why aren't people choosing that option??

From what I can work out the Sachs set up costs nearly as much as a remap, filter, exhaust put togeteher, but the Allard route would be about the same cost as just the exhaust.

Probably as its a labour intesnive job to take the gearbox out so you may as do the job once.

Thans for that fella's. It's what I was thinking myself - the Allard way seems cheaper but I wouldn't want to have to do the job twice.

Got there in the end

Dont talk to me about clutchs

gary Will explain

has you finally broken it?

has you finally broken it?

Nearly :( Its slipping a fair bit now.

Guess the sach one isnt really designed for just short of 400lbft

Hopefully the new Sachs clutch from Jabba will be ok for 400 lb/ft - it will from what I've been told but cannot for the life of me remember the details of what is different!

Nearly :( Its slipping a fair bit now.

Guess the sach one isnt really designed for just short of 400lbft

You bought the wrong clutch man :P

Anyone know what the Helix is rated to as im planning around 200 - 220 bhp ??

Nearly :( Its slipping a fair bit now.

Guess the sach one isnt really designed for just short of 400lbft

Yeah, that's probably pushing the limits of the Sachs performance clutch although I think? they're claiming up to 400lb/ft now .

As a matter of interest was that the Sachs "paddle" clutch ?

I guess Helix would be the way to go for you with all that extra torque, I posted a link to one on ebay I thought was a bargain (£500) with a S.M.F. a week or so ago when I was looking at clutches, but not surprisingly it's gone now !

You bought the wrong clutch man :P

Anyone know what the Helix is rated to as im planning around 200 - 220 bhp ??

Nar, at the time of buying i had no plans to go any further with the power.

But a month later i got bored and started fiddling

Yeah, that's probably pushing the limits of the Sachs performance clutch although I think? they're claiming up to 400lb/ft now .

As a matter of interest was that the Sachs "paddle" clutch ?

I guess Helix would be the way to go for you with all that extra torque, I posted a link to one on ebay I thought was a bargain (£500) with a S.M.F. a week or so ago when I was looking at clutches, but not surprisingly it's gone now !

Nope it is the organic friction one. Still it survived for a while.

Saw the Helix one you posted, but had no money at the time :(

Nar, at the time of buying i had no plans to go any further with the power.

But a month later i got bored and started fiddling

You knew perfectly well you wouldnt be happy with just a remap. (none of us are, it's just most of us don't have the guts todo what you've done)

Dont talk to me about clutchs

gary Will explain

i told you so,;)any one planning any more than just a re map really should buy the helix,or the spec,for monster power its spec all the way,rated to 600ft lbs it bites like a croc,and coupled with the 4kg billet ally flywheel throttle responses are awesome,the helix is rated to 400ft lbs and is an excellent clutch,coupled with thier smf it is not as loud as the spec,and i think they added extra wieght to the smf recently to make it a bit quieter,so to conclude if you hanker after the ultimate,buy the spec,but if you can't live with the noise and bite in traffic buy the helix,and if you never plan on going further than re map get the sachs:D

i told you so,;)any one planning any more than just a re map really should buy the helix,or the spec,for monster power its spec all the way,rated to 600ft lbs it bites like a croc,and coupled with the 4kg billet ally flywheel throttle responses are awesome,the helix is rated to 400ft lbs and is an excellent clutch,coupled with thier smf it is not as loud as the spec,and i think they added extra wieght to the smf recently to make it a bit quieter,so to conclude if you hanker after the ultimate,buy the spec,but if you can't live with the noise and bite in traffic buy the helix,and if you never plan on going further than re map get the sachs:D

:iagree:

stop it with the i told ya so..... talk about rubbing salt in an open wound :(