Perhaps I'm recalling things wrongly.

What I can find though, takes 45k to recover the additional costs and make any benefit over petrol:

Diesel cars 'not such a good buy' | This is Money

About Fuel - Why diesel costs more than petrol (even though it is easier to make) - PetrolPrices.com

Why is diesel more expensive than petrol? | This is Money

Cant see why not offering a diesel engine would kill off the VRS? How many average VRS owners will do 45k in their ownership?

I remember when VAG tabled the diesel option, and everyone slated them for killing the spirit of the hot hatch (always petrol until then).

Me for one, I have done 65k and it's been great, I have deffinately saved money compared to a petrol..

Well i definately wont be buying one....

I love diesels all that torque. I know there are turbo'd petrols but there just not the same. :(

It's that old favourite "hurt by its own success"

Now diesel vehicles are so common, the ratio between petrol and diesel refining has got out of whack.

New diesel refineries need to come on line to produce more diesel and hence balance the supply/demand again.

Of course, we could pray that the Govt drops the diesel duty to level the two out (yeah - right!).

DUTY LEVIED

50.35 pence per litre for ultra-low sulphur unleaded petrol/diesel

53.65 pence per litre for conventional unleaded petrol

56.94 pence per litre for conventional diesel

30.35 pence per litre for bio-diesel and bio ethanol - low tax to encourage consumer conversion

16.49 pence per kg for gas other than natural gas (LPG)

Plus loverly VAT levied on the duty and the actual cost of the original undutied fuel. (not sure how you can actually charge "Value added tax" on a duty, which if anything takes away value?)

I love diesels all that torque. I know there are turbo'd petrols but there just not the same. :(

Your right, they're not the same... they're better...

I'm more concerned with how the new vRS will look (if it ever arrives) as the normal car is quite the munter.

The reason that the duty for diesel is higher is that it has 10% more energy than petrol.

The reason that the differential in the retail price between petrol and diesel is so much greater right now is related to supply and demand, which is driving up the cost of diesel more than it is for petrol.

The reason that the duty for diesel is higher is that it has 10% more energy than petrol.

The reason that the differential in the retail price between petrol and diesel is so much greater right now is related to supply and demand, which is driving up the cost of diesel more than it is for petrol.

10% more energy = 10% less pollution for the environment.

Thus proving that this shower of a Government don't give a monkeys about the environment.

You get less Derv out a a barrel of oil too, so there is always going to be less around until the refinaries get up to speed with it.

Plus, I thought that most car fuel was ULS Diesel anyway? don't they sell it in the likes of the supermarkets etc?

There was an article in whatcar about Diesels pumping les CO2 but more in the lines of other particulates.

Petrol and diesel

VED stuff

Diesels cost more to buy (even used) plus the cost of the fuel.

My car isnt in the emissions band but still costs £185 for 12 months

But onto the VRS thing the 170BHP TDI is already in the Octy :confused:

I suppose if you're a diehard you could always transplant a 2.0TDI or the older VRS engine into a Fabia.

I quite like the sound of the 1.4TSI if it delivers the power without the hitting fuel economy much it will be a winner.

There was an article in whatcar about Diesels pumping les CO2 but more in the lines of other particulates.

Petrol and diesel

VED stuff

Diesels cost more to buy (even used) plus the cost of the fuel.

My car isnt in the emissions band but still costs £185 for 12 months

But onto the VRS thing the 170BHP TDI is already in the Octy :confused:

I suppose if you're a diehard you could always transplant a 2.0TDI or the older VRS engine into a Fabia.

I quite like the sound of the 1.4TSI if it delivers the power without the hitting fuel economy much it will be a winner.

But you would still get 15 - 20 mpg better miles really and I thought that there was a 206bhp 2.0l tdi comomg put soon? surely thats going into the next octy as well as the golf gt tdi?

To be honest, it's not the cost that bothers me, i normally buy one new and keep it for years.

Seems strange since they seem to be sticking the 2.0TDI in everything else:confused:

Autocar - No diesel for new Fabia vRS

check out http://briskoda.net/forums/fabia-2007/more-vrs-speculation/112657/

yawn!

check out http://briskoda.net/forums/fabia-2007/more-vrs-speculation/112657/

Ah didnt see that, dont go in the 2007 fab area much:O

It's that old favourite "hurt by its own success"

Now diesel vehicles are so common, the ratio between petrol and diesel refining has got out of whack.

New diesel refineries need to come on line to produce more diesel and hence balance the supply/demand again.

Of course, we could pray that the Govt drops the diesel duty to level the two out (yeah - right!).

DUTY LEVIED

50.35 pence per litre for ultra-low sulphur unleaded petrol/diesel

53.65 pence per litre for conventional unleaded petrol

56.94 pence per litre for conventional diesel

30.35 pence per litre for bio-diesel and bio ethanol - low tax to encourage consumer conversion

16.49 pence per kg for gas other than natural gas (LPG)

Plus loverly VAT levied on the duty and the actual cost of the original undutied fuel. (not sure how you can actually charge "Value added tax" on a duty, which if anything takes away value?)

But the fuel you buy at the pumps is all Ultra-low sulphur stuff and has been for years , so the duty is exactly the same for petrol and diesel.

The 10% difference in price is down to supply and demand and the oil company

I have to agree Skoda and Seat are no longer as "budget" as they used to be.

Yet they are cheaper than the equivalent VW. 17k buys a VRS, 19k a Golf GTI or the A3 1.8TFSI

The main reason for the delay must be demand for the TSI engine.

Audi has it, VW have it and now Seat have it. Its much better than the 1.6FSI on paper.

Skoda don't have the 1.4TSI yet.

I think Autocar got it WRONG, no sign of said car!

Mike

...takes 45k to recover the additional costs and make any benefit over petrol... How many average VRS owners will do 45k in their ownership?

Don't forget that you don't lose all the premium over the life of the car until you sell it. All of these calculations always set the whole purchase premium against the fuel costs saved, which is just invalid.

Surely the road tax would be higher than a diesel, and it would cost more in fuel to run even at 10p cheaper per litre?

The price of diesel is making people nervous, but it's still a lot cheaper for me. Difficult to do a comparison for the Fabia, since a petrol vRS was never offered before. However, taking the average consumption figures for the Octavia vRS I reckoned that diesel would have to go over £1.50 a litre (assuming petrol £1.12 a litre) for it to cost me more in fuel. I only do 10K a year! Add in lower road tax and it's a no brainer.

The price of diesel is making people nervous, but it's still a lot cheaper for me. Difficult to do a comparison for the Fabia, since a petrol vRS was never offered before. However, taking the average consumption figures for the Octavia vRS I reckoned that diesel would have to go over £1.50 a litre (assuming petrol £1.12 a litre) for it to cost me more in fuel. I only do 10K a year! Add in lower road tax and it's a no brainer.

Exactly, I can't see the thinking of putting a petrol in that will probably do say 30mpg average whereas a derv does 50. the 20mpg is a big difference over say a 10 gallon tank???

I think there are other reasons behind this.

Isn't there a new 1.6 135bhp tdi coming out soon? that won't pull the skin off a rice pudding, no better than the 1.9

They will probably change their mind when people start walking away from the brand when it actually comes out in just a petrol, i'm sure they will get loads of negative feedback from the customers who, like me, would only buy a Diesel.

Autocar must be bulling up a story they might have heard from bobs grannies mate...

Exactly, I can't see the thinking of putting a petrol in that will probably do say 30mpg average whereas a derv does 50. the 20mpg is a big difference over say a 10 gallon tank???

I think there are other reasons behind this.

Isn't there a new 1.6 135bhp tdi coming out soon? that won't pull the skin off a rice pudding, no better than the 1.9

They will probably change their mind when people start walking away from the brand when it actually comes out in just a petrol, i'm sure they will get loads of negative feedback from the customers who, like me, would only buy a Diesel.

I think your wrong, the current golf gt with that 1.4 tsi giving out 167bhp has a book mpg of 38 and weighs 400kg more than the new 1.4 fabia. we can assume that the mpg of a fabia with that engine will be around if not above the 40mpg mark.

the gt has a 0 to 60 time of 7.6 seconds (400kg heavier)

Your looking at a new fabia vrs with a 0 to 60 time in the low 7 seconds and a mpg figure north of 40mpg

The diesel fabia vrs has a book mpg figure of 52.

fuel prices from petrolprices.com for my postcode

Diesel is 126p at the moment and petrol 113p

so currently ten percent more expensive for diesel.

I think if autocar are right then the new vrs will be everything the old one was and more!

I think your wrong, the current golf gt with that 1.4 tsi giving out 167bhp has a book mpg of 38 and weighs 400kg more than the new 1.4 fabia. we can assume that the mpg of a fabia with that engine will be around if not above the 40mpg mark.

the gt has a 0 to 60 time of 7.6 seconds (400kg heavier)

Your looking at a new fabia vrs with a 0 to 60 time in the low 7 seconds and a mpg figure north of 40mpg

The diesel fabia vrs has a book mpg figure of 52.

fuel prices from petrolprices.com for my postcode

Diesel is 126p at the moment and petrol 113p

so currently ten percent more expensive for diesel.

I think if autocar are right then the new vrs will be everything the old one was and more!

Yes, but if the book mpg is derived from a factory test, you are not going to get anywhere north of 40mpg in real life!! if I drive my fabia vRS 'normally, I get about 45mpg.

Petrol in Kent is 117p and diesel is 127p, so I can only go off the local price.

Anyway, I don't really give a monkeys....if they don't do a Diesel that can forget me buying another Skoda, I'll just go back to Ford and get a focus as I don't personally like the Octavia.

Look, we have 2 years to wait and I think that they will get so much negative feedback, they will have to do one, they can't afford to loose a potential 13,000 customers that bought the first one.

yeah granted but the book mpg of the fabia is 52 and non of us get anywhere near that in normal day to day driving. I'm low 40s at the moment but thats life, you never get the book mpg because no one drives like that in real life regardless of the car being a diesel or petrol, its the only fair measurement you can use when comparing fuel consumption of two cars though.

If the new fabia vrs is a petrol and has a mpg figure of 45 i dont understand what the issue would be. The cost of fuel would be roughly the same, ok. you'll probably get 7 mpg less than the book like you do now but theres a 10 percent saving in the price of petrol over diesel which would make up for it.

of course i dont actually think the book mpg of the new vrs will be 45 but as per the previous if the golf is 400kg more and has a book of 38.......

you never get the book mpg

I do , and did on my last Octavia as well

you never get the book mpg

We have over the life of the car (12k miles so far) achieved over 2mpg better than the combined "book" figure (46.5 against 44.1). That's for an Octavia Scout 2.0TDi.

ok ok. Fair enough. And to be honest my trip to work is all motorway. When skint i can get the vrs up to 60+mpg for the journy. Its not my usual mpg though.