Who told you that red diesel makes your car smoke? It's amazing what bull**** goes around.

I use to have access to red diesel and used it occasionally but very smoky.

I use to have access to red diesel and used it occasionally but very smoky.

Where did you buy it/source it from? I can pretty much guarantee that engines will run perfectly fine with no increase whatsoever in smoke or unburnt fuel if the red diesel is bought from a reputable supplier/is genuine diesel.

People think that tractor engines differ hugely from car engines. I've heard many people say they're simpler, etc. Tractor engines are anything but simple, they use the same/very similar technology as cars to reduce emission levels where needed, and the same principles to allow diesel to ignite under compression.

The new Zetor Tractor engines are all based on a common rail system (same idea/principle as the CR TDI technology in the Octavia). Are you telling me that the red diesel the tractors run (perfectly fine without smoke!!) on will make the Octavia smoke? :eek:

Where did you buy it/source it from? I can pretty much guarantee that engines will run perfectly fine with no increase whatsoever in smoke or unburnt fuel if the red diesel is bought from a reputable supplier/is genuine diesel.

People think that tractor engines differ hugely from car engines. I've heard many people say they're simpler, etc. Tractor engines are anything but simple, they use the same/very similar technology as cars to reduce emission levels where needed, and the same principles to allow diesel to ignite under compression.

The new Zetor Tractor engines are all based on a common rail system (same idea/principle as the CR TDI technology in the Octavia). Are you telling me that the red diesel the tractors run (perfectly fine without smoke!!) on will make the Octavia smoke? :eek:

The red diesel came from work where they had the normal fuel pumps for red and normal diesel until they got a contract with Esso to fill the cars from their stations.

My 55 plate VRS did 55k on it without any issues. There isn't a lot to go wrong if the fuel is up to spec.

Your VRS had PD injectors.

I wouldn't like to run a car with a single high pressure fuel pump designed for full sulphur derv on ULSD never mind Bio.

Purely because the seals in said pump won't like it and also the sulphur was a lubricant. When LSD and ULSD came out there was less and almost no lube for this, but bio I believe is even more cutting so I wouldn't think the pump would like it.

Where did you buy it/source it from? I can pretty much guarantee that engines will run perfectly fine with no increase whatsoever in smoke or unburnt fuel if the red diesel is bought from a reputable supplier/is genuine diesel.

People think that tractor engines differ hugely from car engines. I've heard many people say they're simpler, etc. Tractor engines are anything but simple, they use the same/very similar technology as cars to reduce emission levels where needed, and the same principles to allow diesel to ignite under compression.

The new Zetor Tractor engines are all based on a common rail system (same idea/principle as the CR TDI technology in the Octavia). Are you telling me that the red diesel the tractors run (perfectly fine without smoke!!) on will make the Octavia smoke? :eek:

I was under the impression both fuels were the same except for red dye being added for agricultural vehicles only ?? Just hope you don't get stopped and have your tank dipped

I was under the impression both fuels were the same except for red dye being added for agricultural vehicles only ?? Just hope you don't get stopped and have your tank dipped

I have always, and always will run my road-going cars on white diesel. They are both the same, the red dye is the only difference I'm aware of and is a way of allowing HMR&C to distinguish between the two when dipping/inspecting diesel tanks.

Your VRS had PD injectors.

I wouldn't like to run a car with a single high pressure fuel pump designed for full sulphur derv on ULSD never mind Bio.

Purely because the seals in said pump won't like it and also the sulphur was a lubricant. When LSD and ULSD came out there was less and almost no lube for this, but bio I believe is even more cutting so I wouldn't think the pump would like it.

The Punto I run on (Common rail) it has been fine for nearly 3 years. There are additves that sort the pump lube out.

I think I will give biodiesel a miss. My old Fiat would take 100% veggie oil with no problems at the time it was about 73p a litre.

Hmmm. Did you uprate your lift pump? The viscosity difference would have killed a standard Fiat one in no time at all.

Hmmm. Did you uprate your lift pump? The viscosity difference would have killed a standard Fiat one in no time at all.

I don't know what a lift pump is so I guess I had no problem with it.

I have a 52 plate Ford Galaxy (VW Sharan in Disguise) & for the last 3 yrs I have run it on 100% BD (processed WVO) from I.D. Oils in York without any problems, although they've stopped doing it & Morrisons BD would be great if the tax/cost difference is passed on

Edited 14 November, 200817 yr by TKPeters

Didnt Ford/VW start using their own engines instead of sharing units after a certain year?

Didnt Ford/VW start using their own engines instead of sharing units after a certain year?

That one would probably be a PD and Morrisons Bio is the same prices as regular derv :(

I have discovered Makro does veg oil for 89ppl.

I am surprised at some of the posts on here - many people are saying that their car will run on bio, yes it may do, but the OP was about a latest generation Fabia, not some old Galaxy, Fiat or even the old Fabia - all of which is not very usefull to the OP! All you are doing is confusing matters!!

As far as I'm aware all of the latest generation Fabias, Roomsters, and Octavias will NOT run on 30% mix BioDiesel... thats according to my dealer when I picked up my Roomster last week, and my subsequent email with Skoda... the change took place in 2006 manufacturing year, so some old style Fabias will not run on it either (my old 2007 reg 1.4TDi80 Mk 1 Estate was one), so if you are thinking about using the stuff then check it out with Skoda first - go onto their site and email them... otherwise you will void your warranty!

And, for the record, I understand that virtually all current "ordinary" pump diesel is a 5% mix of bio and ordinary which is ok.

NO, do not use Morrisons biodiesel. It will tell you inside the fuel flap on newer cars not to. Due to the high percentage of fatty acids in Morrisons Biodiesel it can damage your engine and if your car is still under warranty you will not be able to claim the cost of repair. I am gathering this is on all newer cars but i know that it definately relates to VW engine - which would in theory be found in VW, Skoda, Audi and Seat.

I am surprised at some of the posts on here - many people are saying that their car will run on bio, yes it may do, but the OP was about a latest generation Fabia, not some old Galaxy, Fiat or even the old Fabia - all of which is not very usefull to the OP! All you are doing is confusing matters!!

As far as I'm aware all of the latest generation Fabias, Roomsters, and Octavias will NOT run on 30% mix BioDiesel... thats according to my dealer when I picked up my Roomster last week, and my subsequent email with Skoda... the change took place in 2006 manufacturing year, so some old style Fabias will not run on it either (my old 2007 reg 1.4TDi80 Mk 1 Estate was one), so if you are thinking about using the stuff then check it out with Skoda first - go onto their site and email them... otherwise you will void your warranty!

And, for the record, I understand that virtually all current "ordinary" pump diesel is a 5% mix of bio and ordinary which is ok.

Hmmm. Maybe you should have a quite word with the car on my drive and tell it the fuel it's been using for the last 32000 miles doesn't work in it. It's still has the NO BIODIESEL sticker on it too so they clearly don't work

Post was answered quite clearly here:

http://briskoda.net/fabia-ii/morrisons-biodiesel/123507/#post1441615

It's also been discussed about 1000000000000000 times in other threads about warranty etc.... but that wasn't part of the OP. There are threads after threads after threads abouth the pro's and the cons and they are going to be different for everyone. Bottom line is this though (In relation to the OP): The car WILL run on it and quite well probably. I have run PD's on a variety of blends for 100'000's miles over the last 5 years and never had a problem with any of them except a few fuel filter issues. The only difference could be the inclusion in some modles of the DPF and I have no idea of the effect on anything where that is concerned.

It's up to the OP or anyone else if they feel like taking the risk with warranties/side effects/acts of god etc but at least whoever should have a balanced view to make the choice and that includes advice and guidence from people who have the teeshirt.

Most people don't bother as they have decided the risk is just too great and because they have been told not to they must not under any circumstances waiver from this or an little SUK Elf will spring forth and smite them down (There is one waiting in this forum, I can hear him moving around...). Thats great for me. It means I don't have to worry about supplies running out so much.

Edited 22 November, 200817 yr by Decron

The reason I made my comment is that new people reading the thread could be mistaken into believing that the Fabia 2 could use Bio, which it can't... perhaps if people want a discussion on the merits or otherwise of bio and morrisons stuff should be under a general section rather than in one where the manufacturer specifically don't allow the fuel...

As regards your use of the stuff, thats your choice and I hope that you'd have the decency to tell any prospective future purchasor of said vehicle that you had been using a fuel which was not recomended...

Anyhow, terribly sorry for making the previous post, I have considered myself duly told off!

Edited 23 November, 200817 yr by The PM

The reason I made my comment is that new people reading the thread could be mistaken into believing that the Fabia 2 could use Bio, which it can't...

Well considering Decron's last car and current car (both 1.9PD's) have run fine on Bio for 10's of thousands of miles I'd say the Fabia 2 can use Bio regardless of what Skoda/VAG say.

Well considering Decron's last car and current car (both 1.9PD's) have run fine on Bio for 10's of thousands of miles I'd say the Fabia 2 can use Bio regardless of what Skoda/VAG say.

Which was my point...

I wouldn't put it in a DPF equipped car though

Which was my point...

I wouldn't put it in a DPF equipped car though

I thought it might of been abit too subtle for some..

Are there any DPF equipped 1.9's? and what effect would the Bio have on it?

I thought it might of been abit too subtle for some..

Are there any DPF equipped 1.9's? and what effect would the Bio have on it?

Not sure in the UK but some of the 1.4's have been elsewhere in Europe. My 1.9 doesn't have one and I don't know anyone with one. There also seems to be very little information on what actually goes wrong other than it may be down to the gas sensor on the DPF not detecting what it's supposed to, throwing a fault and going into limp home.

Actually I have just found this which makes for ome interesting reading

Enhancing the Burn - Biodiesel Magazine

Bio burns with a lower resulting EGT meaning the DPF might not cope... Good article if a little heavy for a sunday morning!

Anyhow, terribly sorry for making the previous post, I have considered myself duly told off!

Don't be daft What type of forum would this be if we couldn't discuss

Not sure in the UK but some of the 1.4's have been elsewhere in Europe. My 1.9 doesn't have one and I don't know anyone with one. There also seems to be very little information on what actually goes wrong other than it may be down to the gas sensor on the DPF not detecting what it's supposed to, throwing a fault and going into limp home.

Actually I have just found this which makes for ome interesting reading

Enhancing the Burn - Biodiesel Magazine

Bio burns with a lower resulting EGT meaning the DPF might not cope... Good article if a little heavy for a sunday morning!

That is heavy going for a Sunday morning... and I've been up since 4am..

So with all these modern diesels being fitted with DPF it might be some time before 100% Bio is available for use with them.

Who told you that red diesel makes your car smoke? It's amazing what bull**** goes around.

It makes you look like the road equivalent of the red arrows

Which was my point...

Decron, I've run 000s of miles with my 51 reg 1.9 on Bio as well... but when Skoda tell me that from 2006 they have made changes that prevent that use in their newer cars, even on non-dpf versions, then I, for one will take note... as i said before confirming that use of bio in older cars is ok is irrelevent for the question asked, and, in my view is misleading to any newbie reading the thread... but you obviously don't see it that way...

Use of bio can be traced if things went wrong and as mine is a lease car I could be held liable for any costs if things go wrong... I'm not prepared to take that risk... it sounds like its your own car and are prepared to take the risk, thats your choice!