What exactly was Kimi's advantage? He didn't finish the race, scored no points and lost his no claims bonus with a sizeable front end repair bill :confused:

Well d'oh!! He's 4 points closer to the championship lead than he would otherwise have been!

Well d'oh!! He's 4 points closer to the championship lead than he would otherwise have been!

But Kimi was disadvantaged in the first place by Lewis making up is own line through the final chicane rather than using his brakes :thumbdwn:

Who knows what the outcome would have been had Lewis followed Kimi correctly through the chicane? Lewis would probably have easily overtaken Kimi and won, but Kimi could still have finished 2nd, in which case Kimi's 4 points worse off now than he would have been (e.g. a 21 point gap to the leader now versus a 17 point gap if Lewis 1st, Kimi 2nd).

But Kimi was disadvantaged in the first place by Lewis making up is own line through the final chicane rather than using his brakes :thumbdwn:

Who knows what the outcome would have been had Lewis followed Kimi correctly through the chicane? Lewis would probably have easily overtaken Kimi and won, but Kimi could still have finished 2nd, in which case Kimi's 4 points worse off now than he would have been (e.g. a 21 point gap to the leader now versus a 17 point gap if Lewis 1st, Kimi 2nd).

Indeed and had this happend massa would be further behind LH......

Im a Ferrari fan and LH gets right on my tits tbfh, I guess now I know what is like for the rest when Shumi was around!!

Well d'oh!! He's 4 points closer to the championship lead than he would otherwise have been!

Don’t forget the Red luvvies got an extra 6 points for the Ferrari/Manufacturers Annual Party

Im a Ferrari fan

Really?

This issue regarding the appeal has far reaching implications and precidents.

Everyone is waiting with baited breath to see Ferrari's next punishment from the stewards should the do anything to warrant punishment.

The other issue is that IF drivers had to wait until AFTER the next corner before attempting to then why is this not clearly written in the FIA official rules, and why did they then have to clarify this as being the case?

Really?

The other issue is that IF drivers had to wait until AFTER the next corner before attempting to then why is this not clearly written in the FIA official rules, and why did they then have to clarify this as being the case?

I thought everyone knew how the rules worked, but anyway here is the official explanation from the FIA:

"Rule 17.1.5.c Driver rule infringements:

If a driver in a car other than a Ferrari is found to have transgressed a rule, then said driver will be severely punished and have points docked.

If a Ferrari driver transgresses a rule, then said rule will be altered to accommodate the infringement and all other drivers notified in time for the next race"

Seems pretty clear to me

Im a Ferrari fan and LH gets right on my tits

im a fan of motorsport and you get on my tits.

but I live in eternal hope that something will spare me from your presence on the planet.

im a fan of motorsport and you get on my tits.

but I live in eternal hope that something will spare me from your presence on the planet.

:eek::rofl:

But Kimi was disadvantaged in the first place by driving a Ferrari on a wet track

Who knows what the outcome would have been had Kimi left Lewis racing room through the chicane? Lewis would probably have won, but Kimi could still have finished 2nd had he not overtaken under waved yellows and subsequently had a fight with the Armco, in which case Kimi's 4 points worse off now than he would have been (e.g. a 21 point gap to the leader now versus a 17 point gap if Lewis 1st, Kimi 2nd).

Corrected inline.

Corrected inline.

Not sure where it says in the rules that the driver on the racing line and ahead in the race should leave sufficient space to allow the driver behind to execute an impossible move that couldn't be achieved in the dry, let alone the wet, and that could easily take them both out of the race.

But then again as Maclaren and Ferrari have different versions of the FIA rules, I may have missed something

Not sure where it says in the rules that the driver on the racing line and ahead in the race should leave sufficient space to allow the driver behind to execute an impossible move that couldn't be achieved in the dry, let alone the wet, and that could easily take them both out of the race.

But then again as Maclaren and Ferrari have different versions of the FIA rules, I may have missed something

I'm not sure how you get the car that's level and on the inside of the next turn to be "behind".

I'm not sure how you get the car that's level and on the inside of the next turn to be "behind".

Simple, I watched the video replay.

You can too, here: Track Highlights - Video - F1 | ITV Sport

I'm not sure how you get the car that's level and on the inside of the next turn to be "behind".

Sorry Ken that is rubbish - look again, LH was slightly ahead on the intitial turn in to the first RH corner but was on the outside. By the time he had gone round that corner, he was not ahead and had nowhere to go because KR claimed the normal racing line. You can't really expect any racer of whatever nationality to allow someone to try and overtake on the outside of a corner and give them room to come through into the next turn. Would have loved to have seen what would have happened if LH had tried that against someone like Mansell

Simple, I watched the video replay.

You can too, here: Track Highlights - Video - F1 | ITV Sport

So did I. Lewis has an overlap up until he leaves the track to avoid Kimi driving into him. Kimi was not going to reach that second apex unless Lewis got out of his way.

So did I. Lewis has an overlap up until he leaves the track to avoid Kimi driving into him. Kimi was not going to reach that second apex unless Lewis got out of his way.

I think there is something up with your PC display

The unusual thing about that incident imho, was that when a car is forced wide, it usually comes back into the race (if at all) BEHIND the car doing the pushing. In this case LH came out in front of KR and I think that was a slight spanner in the works for the Amateurish Stewards. It then was compounded that Charlie Whiting said in his opinion LH had done the right thing (I assume the Stewards had their knickers in a twist and couldn’t respond/act fast enough to give a sensible decision) and so LH continued with his race. These things happen so quickly mistakes can be made with decisions, but unlike football where the decision at the final whistle is rarely overturned, F1 does it differently.

Of course people scream it’s a Ferrari fix, it usually appears to be the case these days. They have a huge fan base and indeed I have been a fan of them from Villeneuve, through Mansell and onto Scheuy, but the Authorities seem to be a bunch of sycophants when it comes to the Red menace. They probably have a shrine to them in their tea room.

im a fan of motorsport and you get on my tits.

but I live in eternal hope that something will spare me from your presence on the planet.

No your just a fool, does your daddy know your using his computer?

But Kimi was disadvantaged in the first place by Lewis making up is own line through the final chicane rather than using his brakes :thumbdwn:

He then disadvantages Hamilton by overtaking under yellow flags... and crashed out so should have been given 10 grid places at the next GP.

What happened to that then?

No your just a fool, does your daddy know your using his computer?

Mate, hate to say this, but Paul's probably old enough to be your father.

then even worse that he acts like a muppet

Play nicely please. No insults, thanks muchly.

This is getting heated...

I would class myself as a Ferrari fan, and have been for as long as I can remember, but I can say that I felt Hamilton was hard done by, and that the stewards decision was wrong for the sport. In my opinion, Hamilton should probably have waited for a better opportunity to take Kimi (which he would have).

Like some, I feel that Hamilton comes across as arrogant, but he appears to have the talent to back it up.

He deffo has the talent.

Putting aside the LH / KH and McL / Ferrari fighting, I'm just dumbfounded with the stewards attitude. Amanda mentioned it in her post

Here's the scenario summary.

1) You do something potentially dodgy

2) You immediately ask the powers that be if it was too dodgy or not.

3) Powers that be say "no, it looks ok"

4) You carry on to finish the race

5) Once race is over, powers that be said you were wrong and here's a 25sec penalty.

Just like being in court, verdict coming out saying innocent but after you've left the courtroom, on the way out of the courthouse, you're arrested and send straight to jail with no ability to appeal.

Real fair system

Sadly it seems it is no longer a sport for real men, but is now a business for wannabe lawyers and officials. Giles Villeneuve and James Hunt must be spinning in their graves and not in a fun way.:(