I am hopefully doing an oil change this weekend, will i need a sump key to drain or will sockets do?

Many thanks

It would really depend on what vehile your intending to change the oil in;)

If its an MK I octy vrs...... then you need a socket.

You need to fit a sump plug as well

Sorry, forgot to mention its a 2002 skoda fabia tdi!

Sorry, forgot to mention its a 2002 skoda fabia tdi!

Socket

19mm socket for the sump bung.

32 or 36 mm socket for the oil filter housing.

Remove the oil filter first before draining the oil.

Thanks,

Does anyone know which oil? I've been told by a mate its 0w 30 for diesel with variable services.

....and a set of torx bits to remove the engine under tray....

(or get a Pela pump to do it. I did and never regretted it. First oil change I have ever done without getting hands dirty and spilling oil everywhere. Magic. I have three cars to service so it was worthwhile)

Thanks,

Does anyone know which oil? I've been told by a mate its 0w 30 for diesel with variable services.

VW 507.0 oil for a TDI on variable service.

I didn't think the fabia had variable, or was that just the VRS?

I didnt think any of the fabia's were variable services!

I didnt think any of the fabia's were variable services!

Not in the Uk no.

I didnt think any of the fabia's were variable services!

According to my 04 handbook - fixed servicing ,using VW 505-01 OIL .

Pela pump --Is that the one that sucks it up through the dipstick hole -if so ,how does it get rid of the rubbish at the bottom of the sump ?

It doesnt, thats the downside.

But tbh there aint alot of rubbish in the bottom of the sump anyhow these days.

It doesnt, thats the downside.

But tbh there aint alot of rubbish in the bottom of the sump anyhow these days.

To be fair I was surprised how much it actually did pull out and it looked like the muck was suspended in the oil.

The pella is IMHO good for an extra service but you probably do want to take the sump plug out every other service.

We have an oil extraction system at work, but tbh I always use the drainer. But then I have the car on a ramp anyhow.

Also not all cars can be drained using a Pela pump depending on sump design.

It would be reallu nice if they would put a small section on the undertray you could remove with just clips or 1 or 2 screws so you could get to the sump plug.

A set of ramps would indeed make it all a lot easier, so i guess ijust need to find a friendly garage.

I use a pump, every 30k I will drain however just to be sure. I wouldn't use a pump on say an A-series engine or an older GM OHC, it would be a clean drain and flush with these but you will be fine using the pump on the fabia as it leaves very little (I have measured and comapred volumes to check ) very little in the sump

It would be reallu nice if they would put a small section on the undertray you could remove with just clips or 1 or 2 screws so you could get to the sump plug.

Something like thats fitted to E46 BM's then, a hinged flap secured by one fastener.

TBH though the Superb cover is only held on by half a dozen or so fixings, so is off in less than a minute anyway.

I also prefer to take the cover off to give everything else the once over at the same time.

Yes, the pump leaves very little oil in the sump pan. It also removes quite a bit from the oil filter housing and the oil cooler as well. Probably about 250ml or so!!!

The sludge that you refer to does not really exist in modern engines. If there is sludge present I think your engine needs more than an oil change! Any particulates should mostly be suspended in solution in the oil and removed with it. To think that draining with the plug out will "swill" any more crud out is debateable. Any heavy crud in the sump is bad. Very Bad and is likely to be metallic originating from the bearing shells and is probably down to poor maintainance and lack of oil changes in the first instance. This is rarely swilled out when you drain via the plug as it is too heavy and just sits there. I have had the sumps off many many VW Golfs GTi's in my time and even with frequent (3x a year) oil changes using the sump plug I would always find some crud in the pan if I dropped it down. I would never find crud in the oil I had just drained (I always used to look)

More frequent oil changes made easier with a pump (that may or may not leave crud in the pan) will always be better for an engine than less frequent or missed oil changes, or oil changes using inferior oil.

HTH

Nick......

Yes, the pump leaves very little oil in the sump pan. It also removes quite a bit from the oil filter housing and the oil cooler as well. Probably about 250ml or so!!!

The sludge that you refer to does not really exist in modern engines. If there is sludge present I think your engine needs more than an oil change! Any particulates should mostly be suspended in solution in the oil and removed with it. To think that draining with the plug out will "swill" any more crud out is debateable. Any heavy crud in the sump is bad. Very Bad and is likely to be metallic originating from the bearing shells and is probably down to poor maintainance and lack of oil changes in the first instance. This is rarely swilled out when you drain via the plug as it is too heavy and just sits there. I have had the sumps off many many VW Golfs GTi's in my time and even with frequent (3x a year) oil changes using the sump plug I would always find some crud in the pan if I dropped it down. I would never find crud in the oil I had just drained (I always used to look)

More frequent oil changes made easier with a pump (that may or may not leave crud in the pan) will always be better for an engine than less frequent or missed oil changes, or oil changes using inferior oil.

HTH

Nick......

Thanks -nick - never really changed oil in a modern engine as all servicing on last few cars has been dealer done as cars under warranty .Was thinking back to old BMC series when it didn't matter which oil , every few thousand at the end of the drain came the sludge ,even with low mileage engines .Found a way round it at end -take off filter -let that drain off ,clean off filter (and pressure releif) -takeout sump bolt ,let initial gush die -reposition container and head in for a cuppa .Mind you -always tried to get car on ramp so that sump plug was lowest point .