After 31,000 trouble-free miles in my Roomster Scout and getting very excited at seeing the new Superb on the road I've taken the plunge and ordered up the following:

New Superb in SE spec, 1.8 TSI engine (manual box), Gino Ginelli, er, Rosso Brunello red plus Park Assist and Floor Mats.

I almost ordered the 1.4 TSI in S spec with lots of extras but thanks to a miscalculation (and misunderstanding on excess mileage) on my part I realised I could just afford the much nicer car above without having to sell off some of my body parts to pay for it.

I'm told it will be built in week 10 (the first week of March) and my copious behind should be sitting in the driver's seat by the end of the same month.

I am really excited about getting the car as it is:

(a) a really fanastic car according to the reviews, and

( the biggest, fastest, best and most expensive car I would have ever owned.

This will be be my fourth new Skoda in a row (Fabia 1.2 54bhp, Fabia vRS (wayhey!), Roomster Scout 1.9TDI, new Superb.)

I think I'm driving my other half nuts as I'm always on the lookout for other new Superbs on the road (quite a few being taxis - surprise, surprise) and scouring websites for reviews, pictures and other loveliness. This brings me onto the second part of this post - the Superb sales brochure...

Has anyone else spotted that the MPG figures for the 1.8 TSI must be wrong? The brochure claims that the DSG version is more fuel efficient than the manual. This is not bourne out by the two diesel variants as both manual versions show a better MPG than their DSG siblings. I checked the Skoda-Auto version of the brochure and it makes the same mistake.

By looking the VW Passat's brochure it clearly shows the manual version being more efficient than the DSG (37.2 versus 34.4) for the combined figure.

If this really is a mistake on Skoda's part they need to shoot their marketing department as it's an unforgivable error in my opinion - especially if someone decides to by the DSG thinking it's got better fuel economy than the manual. I based my purchasing choice on these figures and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I'll keep you posted on my order and put up some piccies when the beast is in my possession. Did I mention that I'm really excited?

First of all congratulations on your order I'm sure you'll love it, I've had mine less than a week and I'm still absolutely smitten!

wrt DSG/manual economy I too can't see how it can be right but it must be as it's also born out in the CO2 figures; lower for the DSG than the manual.

Initially there was much confusion over the CO2 figures but Skoda have confirmed the 168 figure for the 1.8 DSG is correct, lower than the manual 1.8 figure of 180.

Dan

Hi Darrenm2001

I think it makes sense that the DGS has the better MPG (and better acceleration) as it has 7 gears and dry clutches.

As far as I can see the Passat still uses the 6 gear DGS, which is not as efficient. The Golf uses the 7 gears DGS which also has better MPG in the Golf than the manual.

I guess you made the right choise.

The DSG Passat is a diesel I think you'll find, petrol Passat's have the nornal auto box in them iirc.

Hi Darrenm2001

I think it makes sense that the DGS has the better MPG (and better acceleration) as it has 7 gears and dry clutches.

As far as I can see the Passat still uses the 6 gear DGS, which is not as efficient. The Golf uses the 7 gears DGS which also has better MPG in the Golf than the manual.

I guess you made the right choise.

I've just noticed that the Passat 1.8 TSI isn't a DSG box - it's a good ol' Tiptronic box with 6 gears. I made a schoolboy error thinking that the Superb and Passat engine and gearbox combinations would be the same! In my (lousy) defence it was late, I was tired, mumble, mumble... :-)

The DSG Passat is a diesel I think you'll find, petrol Passat's have the nornal auto box in them iirc.

Yup, well spotted! Either I need to read the brochure better or VW need to make the numbers bigger to compensate for my failing eyesight - or I need to get a laptop with a much bigger screen!

Despite the lower fuel economy the manual version still works out cheaper for me over three years due to the £1250 premium of the DSG over the manual. I'm not in my forties so the pipe and slippers stop-start motor isn't quite on my horizon yet! Probably my next one though :(

Hi Darrenm2001

I think it makes sense that the DGS has the better MPG (and better acceleration) as it has 7 gears and dry clutches.

As far as I can see the Passat still uses the 6 gear DGS, which is not as efficient. The Golf uses the 7 gears DGS which also has better MPG in the Golf than the manual.

I guess you made the right choise.

Are they using the 7 speed on the 1.8 now? it was limited to the 1.4 engines as its made of chocolate.

In Denmark the Golf is not offered with the 1.8. But the high level 1.4 has almost the same specifications as the 1.8 (160/160hp, 240/250Nm torque). The 1.4 is offered with the 7 gear DSG, which has a better MPG than the manual version.

So I think the conclusion is valid: the DSG 7 is more economic than a manual gearbox.

7 speed on UK 1.8.

I have one (possible the first in the UK ?). I am aware of one other 1.8DSG in the UK on this forum.

I am getting average of 32mpg .

its not a "pipe and slippers" car -its simply easier and more relaxing to drive. I have the flappy paddles for when i want some manual input.

It is different to drive than a manual - you need to train yourself how to use it. especially in the snow !! the car simply refuses to allow me to set off in 2nd which is what i do in a manual in the snow to prevent all the torgue you get in 1st gear. so gently on the throttle and bit of traction control for me !! i can put it into 2nd after about 3 seconds using the paddles.

The 7-speed DSG is more efficient because it has the speeds "closer" one to each other than the manual one; also a DSG gearbox will be always faster going one gear up or down than a manual one (or than a "classical" automatic gearbox). You can clearly see it in the 0-60 mph figure

The 7-speed DSG isn't mounted on diesel engines due to its maximum torque limitations. At least Skoda has been honest at this point. The unfamous Audi Multitronic system, which in fact is a bad copy of the japanese CVT, wasn't mounted by its inventors (the japanese) on petrol engines bigger than 2 litres because ot torque limitations. Audi thought "no problem, we're Audi, we're the best, we have four rings so we're paraolympic" :P and mounted it even on the diesel 2.7. The final result is that a diesel multitronic is an nightmare, with a lot of problems...

And by the way, I'm in my thirties and I just love the DSG

7 speed on UK 1.8.

its not a "pipe and slippers" car -its simply easier and more relaxing to drive. I have the flappy paddles for when i want some manual input.

My brother has a Roomster Scout 1.6 Auto and he loves the more relaxing drive - I tried it out myself on the day he picked it up (a brave man my bro') and I have to admit I really liked it too.

And by the way, I'm in my thirties and I just love the DSG

I just knew my 'pipe and slippers' comment would set off a mild flaming in my direction!

To calm your enraged tartan pom-pom footwear I have to come clean - I would have loved the DSG box on the 1.8 but I just couldn't afford it. Hell, I really would had to sell off limbs to buy one - although as it's an auto I would only have needed one foot

I guess I could have bought the 1.8 DSG in S spec but then I'd just be disappointed with all of the nice stuff I'd be missing from the SE :(

And in case anyone is wondering, I'm 37 this year and yes, I know, the DSG is faster on a 0-60 and probably faster overall. Hey ho, maybe my NEXT car will be sporting some DSG loveliness - I can live in hope :(

The new 7-speed DSG box on the 1.8 is another box than the previous 6 speed. It has another clutch system running with dry clutch as opposed to wet clutch in the old meaning higher efficiency.

Volkswagen has developed an evolution of its pioneering DSG gearbox. The new seven-speed system – a world first and codenamed DQ200 – uses a pair of dry clutches in preference to the six-speed version's twin wet clutches. This increases efficiency and performance over the wet clutch six-speed system.

The six-speed DSG gearbox, which was introduced in 2003, uses a pair of clutches submerged in oil. The new seven-speed gearbox adopts a pair of dry, organic bonded friction linings that do not require cooling, making the drivetrain more efficient through the extra ratio and the fact that less power is required for the gear selection and clutch servo system.

For the first time the DSG gearbox has been mounted transversely. Measuring only 369 mm in length and weighing only 79 kg including the dual-mass flywheel the gearbox is remarkably compact. These modest proportions mean it can be applied to models from the Polo right up to the Passat and, in its current form, it is capable of coping with power outputs of up to 170 PS and 184 lbs ft of torque.

In adopting seven-speeds, Volkswagen engineers were able to lower first gear to improve acceleration from a standstill. By contrast seventh gear has been raised to act as an overdrive function making it ideal for motorway driving with the additional effect of raising economy and comfort levels.

The volume of oil contained within the gearbox has also been reduced by 75 per cent. The oil circuits are split into two in an effort to protect the lubrication's purity. As with a conventional manual gearbox, one of the circuits is used for cooling and lubrication of the gear teeth, the second feeds oil to the gear actuators. Since the clutch does not require cooling the quantity of oil was reduced from seven litres in the six-speed DSG gearbox to only 1.7-litres in the new seven-speed system.

Production of the gearbox is set to start at the end of the year with its first application in the UK being planned for the Golf and mated to the 1.4-litre TSI petrol and 1.9-litre TDI diesel engines.

7 speed on UK 1.8.

I am getting average of 32mpg .

Can you post some other mpg figures as well and add the average speed reading that is present at the same time, thx.

not sure what you mean ? what other mpg figures can i quote ?

the trip computer is showing average of 32 mpg over the last 600 miles. It was 29 for the first 1000 miles. I dont have the average speed setting displayed as I dont find it useful so removed it from the menu.

The car does a mix of town driving (7 miles from cold and then back again 8 hrs later) plus a 30 min drive at 40-60 on main A roads in the country followed by several short journeys in the day time on house visits and then back home again for 25 miles. not done any long journeys yet. I would say the longest continuous drive is about 40mins at 40-60mph

not sure what you mean ? what other mpg figures can i quote ?

the trip computer is showing average of 32 mpg over the last 600 miles. It was 29 for the first 1000 miles. I dont have the average speed setting displayed as I dont find it useful so removed it from the menu.

The car does a mix of town driving (7 miles from cold and then back again 8 hrs later) plus a 30 min drive at 40-60 on main A roads in the country followed by several short journeys in the day time on house visits and then back home again for 25 miles. not done any long journeys yet. I would say the longest continuous drive is about 40mins at 40-60mph

The average spped setting gives you info on the type of use the car has had, like 25mpg @ 13mph would indicate mostly urban driving, where 43mpg @ 35mph will indicate the car has been sat at 70mph on a motorway most of the day.

i thought that is what you meant , but as I dont have that feature switched on I am afraid I cont qupte that figutre. Hopefully the description of the driving we do (above) helps to give a picture of the sort of use the car has had and how this influences mpg. cheer.

i thought that is what you meant , but as I dont have that feature switched on I am afraid I cont qupte that figutre. Hopefully the description of the driving we do (above) helps to give a picture of the sort of use the car has had and how this influences mpg. cheer.

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Thx Jon, I was a bit dnukr at the time of writing so forgvie my selpling msitkeas