I suggest a vauxhall nova !

2.0 16v c20xe from a calibra/astra gte/cavalier gsi

Or 1.6 16v from corsa sport/gsi

SBD throttle bodies 2.0 16v (208bhp) 1.6 16v (180/200bhp)

Strip it to bare minimum

Sort the brakes and suspension

You will love it

I suggest a vauxhall nova !

2.0 16v c20xe from a calibra/astra gte/cavalier gsi

Or 1.6 16v from corsa sport/gsi

SBD throttle bodies 2.0 16v (208bhp) 1.6 16v (180/200bhp)

Strip it to bare minimum

Sort the brakes and suspension

You will love it

I probs would but as mentioned before engine size is too high

Metro GTa, Rover 216/218is (none vvc), 205 xs, 309 xsi, 306 d turbo, 106 1.4 xsi, 106 1.3 rallye, 405 1.9 8v, ax gt. zx.

Only ever had a few laps with an instructor. Well worth it A well driven slow car can be alot faster than a well sorted quick car.

Just to give you an idea of insurance for me, ive been hammering confused.com to get an eye in to what i can realistically afford to insure. soo......

Track Day Car

(Rich as main driver)

FORD

Ford KA 1.3i Third Party + Fire + Theft (£957.80) - Excess £500

Ford KA 1.3i Third Party (£1104.80) - Excess - £0

Ford KA 1.3i Fully Comp (£988.25) - Excess - £500

CITROEN

Citroen Saxo West Coast 1.4i Third Party + Fire + Theft (£1166.75) - Excess £500

Citroen Saxo West Coast 1.4i Fully Comp (£1275.95) - Excess £500

Citroen Saxo West Coast 1.1i Third Party + Fire + Theft (£1084.85) - Excess £0

Citroen Saxo West Coast 1.1i Fully Comp (£1112.15) - Excess £500

　

VAUXHALL

Vauxhall Corsa B 1.6i 16v Sport Third Party + Fire + Theft (£1440.80) - Excess £50

Vauxhall Corsa B 1.6i 16v Sport Fully Comp (£1653.95) - Excess £550

Vauxhall Corsa B 1.4i 16v Third Party + Fire + Theft (£1017.65) - Excess £0

Vauxhall Corsa B 1.4i 16v Fully Comp (£1010.30) - Excess £500

Vauxhall Corsa B 1.2i 16v Third Party + Fire + Theft (£899.00) - Excess £500

Vauxhall Corsa B 1.2i 16v Fully Comp (£880.10) - Excess £500

Vauxhall Corsa B 1.0i 12v Third Party + Fire + Theft (£957.80) - Excess £0

Vauxhall Corsa B 1.0i 12v Fully Comp (£988.25) - Excess £500

ROVER & MG

Rover 200 1.4i 16v Third Party + Fire + Theft (£1121.60) - Excess £0

Rover 200 1.4i 16v Fully Comp (£1235.00) - Excess £500

PEUGEOT

Peugeot 106 1.1i 16v Third Party + Fire + Theft (£1009.25) - Excess £0

Peugeot 106 1.1i 16v Fully Compy (£1035.50) - Excess £500

Am sure some people will GASP but this is my scenerio, and No before anyone asks ive not got any points or convictions

Looking at it the Ford KA does look a good option a long with Corsa B 1.4 and maybe if i felt a bit flush a 1.4 Saxo. I know there is other cars to consider im even looking into a few jap cars ill update that when i get there.

Any thoughts on this now people can see my insurance dilema. Unless someone knows of a DIRT cheap insurance company :P

How about third party only? Also insurung under your mum or dad with you as a named driver?

Insurance is a bitch. When I was 19 I was paying £1600 third party f&t for a 405 1.6.

How about a clio 1.2 16v dynamique? IG3. eibach sprintline with koni or 172 dampers, whitline rear anti roll bar, ferodo ds2500 and stripped. Should be good for around 90bhp per ton. I had one with eibach and it handled well. Just needed better dampers. swmbo had one with DS2500 and michelin exalto pe2's. Gripped and stopped well

ae86 corolla twin cam,ticks all the boxes nearly and rwd to boot get in!!!!!!!!

another option. Get a tow bar. Dont insure the trackcar and travler it to trackday. Mate does that with his pug 205 with vts engine. He just rents a traveler when we go on trackdays.

How about a mk1 Octavia vRS?

I know of one that just needs a little engine attention.

I will - Just send me a PM.

There isn't a chance I'm letting this go and meet the DE TUNA .

I just want a cheap car i dont mind to much what it is, just as long as its cheap to insure on my part. Thats why i cant have anything to flash hense why I want to keep the power side down.

I guess my question wasn't really as clear as it could have been. If you're looking to become a master of FWD, RWD or 4WD, imho, the best car you can get for that is something cheap with skinny tyres and poor levels of grip. This means that it lets go at low speeds and the challenge is firmly on the driver to keep it pointing in the right direction. It's probably more suited to an airfield than a track as run offs are huge and you can tend to find a quiet area to play in without getting in the way of the big boys. I think it was Tiff Needell who said his

was the perfect car to learn car control in Classic car insurance too so dirt cheap

If you're just looking for a fun car to blat around a track then the usual suspects like Clio's, Saxo's, etc are good places to start and there tend to be lots of spares available for them. Also worth looking at kit cars as there are some Caterham look-a-likes that again would be on classic/specialist policies and fit in budget. Pistonheads tends to have quite a few and the nearly-finished projects may be a bargain.

In addition to the track instruction, you might find some on-road tuition is worthwhile

Thank you chris for replying ive heard your quiet the driving machine

Don't believe everything you read - I'm just your average Jo who's done a couple of courses

Let us know what you settle on!

Chris

How about third party only? Also insurung under your mum or dad with you as a named driver?

Insurance is a bitch. When I was 19 I was paying £1600 third party f&t for a 405 1.6.

How about a clio 1.2 16v dynamique? IG3. eibach sprintline with koni or 172 dampers, whitline rear anti roll bar, ferodo ds2500 and stripped. Should be good for around 90bhp per ton. I had one with eibach and it handled well. Just needed better dampers. swmbo had one with DS2500 and michelin exalto pe2's. Gripped and stopped well

Yer clio's are quiet good little cars. My friend has a 1.2 8v and it shifts well, has quiet a nice gearbox as well. So yer all the above you have mentioned would be a good choice and i wouldnt say no at all to a clio, They have a nice chassis and standard form they have good levels of grip and body control.

In regards to third party only i did do all options until i realised there was little diffrence between third party only and third fire and theft. And in regards to getting my dad as the main driver is also an option, my fabia is on that as well. I kinda thought due to the low millage i would be doing would be a good way of getting easy ncb in my own name.

Renting a tow car is an option as well. Something i will for sure look until, but as said before would be good to take the track car on the road. there is some nice country roads around me. And would be nice to drive it around testing new set ups and what not.

And again to chris. Im not really into mastering a style of car. If i would get my own way i would have a four wheel drive car, for maxium grip. Altho rwd sliding is an option. I would rather learn to drive fast around a track than learn how to slide a car. In my mind "drifiting" is the art of bad driving! I would assume most drivers like a neutral car no under and no over steer. But of course people do like to play with the over, and if i could have any form of the above it would be over. That said it means i wouldnt want to accept it in my car and i would try to cancel it out! Ill get there in there end, cant wait am saving the pennys

Once again thanks guys for all your comments

If i would get my own way i would have a four wheel drive car, for maxium grip. Altho rwd sliding is an option. I would rather learn to drive fast around a track than learn how to slide a car. In my mind "drifiting" is the art of bad driving! I would assume most drivers like a neutral car no under and no over steer. But of course people do like to play with the over, and if i could have any form of the above it would be over. That said it means i wouldnt want to accept it in my car and i would try to cancel it out! Ill get there in there end, cant wait am saving the pennys

Imho, if you want to learn to drive fast you need to know what a car feels like on and over the limit so it's not a question of sliding a car, it's about recognising and feeling what the tyres are doing and how much further you can push them Understeer and oversteer are achievable in most cars (by driving "badly") and again imho, people who setup "neutral" cars often set them up for their style of driving rather than to eliminate the front or back of the car losing traction. It's all about managing where the weight of the car is acting over rather than chucking mods at it

Chris

Imho, if you want to learn to drive fast you need to know what a car feels like on and over the limit so it's not a question of sliding a car, it's about recognising and feeling what the tyres are doing and how much further you can push them Understeer and oversteer are achievable in most cars (by driving "badly") and again imho, people who setup "neutral" cars often set them up for their style of driving rather than to eliminate the front or back of the car losing traction. It's all about managing where the weight of the car is acting over rather than chucking mods at it

Chris

Yer i agree 100% and i wouldnt be throwing money at it Just tidying but in regards to feeling a car lose grip i guess will only really come with lots of driving and time behing the wheel.

I think chaps ive narrowed it down so far to

Clio up to 1.4i

Ford KA

Pug 306 1.9D

Nissan Micra 1.0 or 1.3

Im just going to keep saving some pennys and keep my eye on places like ebay. To try and nab a bargain

Good idea about building your no claims

oversteer is always fun. Totally agree with chris. Trackdays are about fun and learning how to drive well to me it is

Just tidying but in regards to feeling a car lose grip i guess will only really come with lots of driving and time behing the wheel.

It can do, although a quicker way would be to attend a limit handling coach who can impart all that in a very short amount of time In this way, you can explore the limits of grip in a closed, safe environment without needing to worry about staying on a track or what you're going to hit

I can highly recommend Don Palmer, although he's not the cheapest coach around. And just to really tempt you, here's a chap I know on one of his courses

Chris

I had one of these -

It was an amazing little car, 75bhp 1.3 16v. Insurance group 4 I think.

With a few small mods (RARB, uprated brakes and stripping it out) will make it a brillint track car.

It can do, although a quicker way would be to attend a limit handling coach who can impart all that in a very short amount of time In this way, you can explore the limits of grip in a closed, safe environment without needing to worry about staying on a track or what you're going to hit

I can highly recommend Don Palmer, although he's not the cheapest coach around. And just to really tempt you, here's a chap I know on one of his courses

Chris

I love these cars :P not bad driving as well

and yer tsp the starlet is also a contender and again nice and cheap with good jap reliabillity

altho i have been looking at a nissan micra my dad had one along long long time ago infact he had a couple. And looking on the interweb they seem like little rockets both the 1.0 and the 1.3

Mate of mine has just finished building his 'Glanza' starlet spending around £4k+ on his car to get the power in link below including diff etc.

Awesome - Performance Car Parts

i think that you don't need loads of power to enjoy driving on track.

The Briskoda track gathering at Hullavington at the end of July only enfonced that.

While your never going to be the fastest thing out there on a small budget, drivng any car at (or at least approaching) the limts is going to be entertaining

If it is going to be a dedicated track only car on a budget, i'd go for something as cheap as possible but with relative performance (unfortunately a Paxo VTR fits the bill perfectly ) and insure is 3rd party only for the on road commuting to tracks (obviously unless buying specific specialist insurance you're never insuraded on track anways!)

alternatively bring the Fabia along to the day at Colerne in October and see how you get on!

PS - if its Forza that started this all off check the link in my sig!

Whatever car you want to track, why not buy one of these or something like it. ARMITAGE PRO-TOW PROFESSIONAL RECOVERY TOWING DOLLY on eBay (end time 09-Sep-09 14:34:56 BST)

You won't need insurance for the car and if the car does break then you can tow it home.

Whatever car you want to track, why not buy one of these or something like it. ARMITAGE PRO-TOW PROFESSIONAL RECOVERY TOWING DOLLY on eBay (end time 09-Sep-09 14:34:56 BST)

You won't need insurance for the car and if the car does break then you can tow it home.

Ideally i dont want to toe the car. Dont really have a suitable toe car, so it means i would have to rent one. Ive also not really got a permenent place to put a trailer as well :(

I think ill get it insured for road use! And in regards to it braking i might get AA cover on it, and with any track day i go some of my friends would probs come to watch me crash so getting back wouldnt be to much of an issue

Ideally i dont want to toe the car. Dont really have a suitable toe car, so it means i would have to rent one. Ive also not really got a permenent place to put a trailer as well :(

I think ill get it insured for road use! And in regards to it braking i might get AA cover on it, and with any track day i go some of my friends would probs come to watch me crash so getting back wouldnt be to much of an issue

The AA won't recover you for track day accidents.

The AA won't recover you for track day accidents.

What if I binned it on the track and pushed it on the main road :orb_laugh (I kid I Kid)