well my car is as per sig @ the moment.

as soon as the money is cleared from paypal into my account, i shall be buying one of these

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Early next year

I shall be getting both of these, not necessarily at once though

S3 IC

Twintercooler

SFS Turbo discharge pipes and intercooler pipes( review of these here- http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4261.0 )

or alternatively the more expensive neuspeed equivalents

Snow performance water methanol Injection

A map tweak by our very own to make use of the new power available from the two intercoolers, catback, and charge/discharge pipes, along with his new STS handset to hold a second map to allow for the water methanol injection.

A set of these

and to finalise to get the power down, an LSD.

Going to call it a day then i think(till i see something else)

Essentially my aim is to get as close to 300bhp off a standard Ko3 turbo as possible.

k03 stage 2+ cars hit 280bhp i think with the extra mods above especially the water methanol Injection and a special remap, i think getting into the 290-300bhp area is quite achievable.

I dont think any car has breached 300bhp with a k03 so that would be an achievment

Whats you aims, next and next purchase??

Wish list:

Engine mods: New exhaust, Stage 2 map, maybe some pretty tubes to make the bay look nicer

Handling mods: FSDs and Eibachs, maybe front and back ARBs

Will probably be the exhaust next, followed closely by the map and suspension bits I think.

Wish list: Engine mods: New exhaust, Stage 2 map, maybe some pretty tubes to make the bay look nicer Handling mods: FSDs and Eibachs, maybe front and back ARBs

Will probably be the exhaust next, followed closely by the map and suspension bits I think.

ARBs are a great mod.

I think i'm going to have to work harder and earn more next year!

Depends what car I end up with

Going on the above, that's quite a list Simon! Plenty of pennies there and quite a bit to fit into 2010

Just wondering whether your aim is ultimately pushing the K03 too far? Is the reason that the 300 barrier hasn't been breeched is because it would be futile in anything but the short term? I'm not certain of the answer, but it's certainly something to discuss/think about.

Steve

Depends what car I end up with

Going on the above, that's quite a list Simon! Plenty of pennies there and quite a bit to fit into 2010

Just wondering whether your aim is ultimately pushing the K03 too far? Is the reason that the 300 barrier hasn't been breeched is because it would be futile in anything but the short term? I'm not certain of the answer, but it's certainly something to discuss/think about.

Steve

the reason no one has reached any closer to 300bhp is no one has used water methanol injection yet in he uk on a k03.it should be very safe, water meth cools inlet temps even further so no problems with over heating, . It also will clean out all the coke deposits on the inlet valves which is a good thing, the americans have been using water methanol with supposably excellent results.

Engine internals wise, if they can handle 325bp from a k04 turbo conversion it should be able to handle.

Your right it is quite a list but i get a tidy little work bonus given to me next year, so ill be treating myself.

ITG panel filter (this year) followed hopefully by a turbo back exhaust.

Depends on what I sell and when, could be either an octy elegance/ L&k estate or a Mazda6 2.2 sport estate, the aim is to have a rear seat in the car for t' bairn (atm the fabia is seatless for the dogs )

ITG panel filter (this year) followed hopefully by a turbo back exhaust.

you staying with DNA for mapping with your TBE or will you go to another brand of tuner

I think I will always be with DNA mate but I'm not sure about stage 2 remaps, is it such a big difference to stage 1 with extras?

If it was me, not being biased, get a good second hand KO4 and injectors( I have a cheap spare set) as all you would need is one IC ( S3 or Twintercoler) and forget about the methanol injection( did nothing for TDI's anyway). I just can't see a huge gain from 280bhp on the Ko3, any difference will be minimal. Since fitting the KO4 the difference is huge, power up top is huge and all i have is the Twintercooler for cooling.

Don't know if it's related, my oil consumption went down after fitting the KO4, i'm wondering if the maxxed out KO3 was spinning so fast it was pushing oil through the seals??

Edited 18 November, 200916 yr by Micky 32

afaik stage 1 maps are designed to feel faster than they actually are by boost and peak torque coming in early so it feels like its pulling like hell. but it will trail off.

the stage 2 maps will be able to keep this boost and extra torque over a longer period due to the better flow of incoming air and exhaust gases.

stage 2+ is another matter. if you were local to me id let you have a spini in mine.

my bluefin stage 2 was running more boost than my new sharthe logs back we wil seek performance map but it was more like onand off in its delivery. now i ham running les boost but for longer, or so it seems. when i get the logs back we wil see.

if your interest ed ina panel filter nhave a look in the for sale section. i potsed a link in there to a guy with an air intake for sale.

basically its not a brand such as evoms, but afaik you can bolt differnt filters on the end such as K&N, pipercross possibly evoms if youwanted. £50 quid, so only 5 more than a panel filter.

If it was me, not being biased, get a good second hand KO4 and injectors( I have a cheap spare set) as all you would need is one IC ( S3 or Twintercoler) and forget about the methanol injection( did nothing for TDI's anyway). I just can't see a huge gain from 280bhp on the Ko3, any difference will be minimal. Since fitting the KO4 the difference is huge, power up top is huge and all i have is the Twintercooler for cooling.

Don't know if it's related, my oil consumption went down after fitting the KO4, i'm wondering if the maxxed out KO3 was spinning so fast it was pushing oil through the seals??

I've found mine is using a lot less oil since upgrading to the K04 too. How are you getting on with the car now Micky? Pretty awesome isn't it.

I can't see myself doing anything major in the new year. I think if anything I will do some cosmetic upgrades (WRC wing, R32 sideskirts, etc)

afaik stage 1 maps are designed to feel faster than they actually are by boost and peak torque coming in early so it feels like its pulling like hell. but it will trail off.

the stage 2 maps will be able to keep this boost and extra torque over a longer period due to the better flow of incoming air and exhaust gases.

stage 2+ is another matter. if you were local to me id let you have a spini in mine.

my bluefin stage 2 was running more boost than my new sharthe logs back we wil seek performance map but it was more like onand off in its delivery. now i ham running les boost but for longer, or so it seems. when i get the logs back we wil see.

if your interest ed ina panel filter nhave a look in the for sale section. i potsed a link in there to a guy with an air intake for sale.

basically its not a brand such as evoms, but afaik you can bolt differnt filters on the end such as K&N, pipercross possibly evoms if youwanted. £50 quid, so only 5 more than a panel filter.

I've been in touch with him already and offered £45 but was rejected lol. Like you say it needs a filter but also it is not blocked off so could suck in hot air. I could make something but it would look crap. I think the standard set up isn't too bad, with a good filter it will be even better.

If it was me, not being biased, get a good second hand KO4 and injectors( I have a cheap spare set) as all you would need is one IC ( S3 or Twintercoler) and forget about the methanol injection( did nothing for TDI's anyway). I just can't see a huge gain from 280bhp on the Ko3, any difference will be minimal. Since fitting the KO4 the difference is huge, power up top is huge and all i have is the Twintercooler for cooling.

Don't know if it's related, my oil consumption went down after fitting the KO4, i'm wondering if the maxxed out KO3 was spinning so fast it was pushing oil through the seals??

dont get me wrong if i see a k04 gong cheap second hand id 100% consider it.

however i totally disagree with water methanol injection not working. maybe its rubbish on a tdi. but petrol has good results. not seen it on a TFSI yet, but ive seen it before and after on an EVO and it was pulling in huge increase in power. granted the evo was highly tuned, but alot of the high power evo's impreza's etc are running water methanol for that reason and absolutely swear by it. (no one has done it on a TFSI in UK yet, the americans are crazy on it)

cooler inlet temps mean less chance of premature detonation, reduced detonation means you can adjust the timing, which in turn will increase the output. it has the same effect as using much higher octane fuel, (110 octane+)

here is some info on it copied from elsewhere:

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Water Methanol injection is a fantastic Product with many different uses. here are a few links where there isn't any arguing to sift through.

http://www.alcohol-injection.com/faq.php?cID=1

http://www.snowperformance.net/faqs_type.php?type=gasoline

You will gather from reading through both FAQ pages that at first glance there isn't much difference between the two kits. I personally lean towards DO kits but I will get into that in a minute...

There are Three main benefits that are usually covered with the installation of Water/Meth. Power, Cleaning Property's & Fuel economy.

Power:

The tuner you use is going to make a pretty big impact on whether or not you will be able to get the full power benefit of one of these kits. With Chip Tuning that doesn't offer switchable maps you will probably see about 10 to 14 HP. This is very comparable to throwing 109 Octane in the tank of a completely stock car. The biggest power gains are going to come with chip tuning that offers some sort of switchable "Race Fuel File" pretty much all of the most reputable software companies have this option, GIAC and their flash loader, REVO with their SPS, and even APR with that nifty switcher that is built into the column. When you have the availability to switch to a MAP that runs a higher boost level and more advanced timing you will see huge power gains and can really take advantage of the octane boost. In some of our studies we have seen up to 40 WHP paired with an appropriate MAP on the 2.0t FSI.

Cleaning:

The cleaning benefit is also huge with these kits. It is a commonly known issue that there is a huge amount of build up on the intake valves on the FSI cars due to the direct injection and horrible stock PCV system. The water pretty much steam cleans the valves as it passes by on it's way into the cylinder. In my personal experience with the FSI these kits do a better job at keeping valves clean then they do at penetrating the massive amounts of build-up that forms on the MKV.

Fuel economy:

Fuel economy is increased in the gasoline cars just like if you were to run "Race Fuel". The extra 20-25% of octane provided by the methanol allows for more spark timing advance and a leaner air/fuel ratio with the use of a programmer. Both of these factors not only improve power, their efficiency gains improve mileage as well. Additionally, many modern cars will detect the combustion of the methanol and reduce the injection of gasoline accordingly through the adjustment of long-term fuel trim values in the vehicles computer. This can directly and positively impact gasoline fuel economy. Gains of 5-15% are possible depending on how the vehicle is tuned and driven.

For diesel Vehicles The MPG-MAX™ systems from Snow Performance is specifically designed to enhance Power and fuel economy. Both the diesel MPG-MAX™ systems are specifically designed to inject a very small and precise amount of water/methanol under normal driving conditions such as accelerating away from a stop light or driving up a slight grade. Gains of 10-20% are possible depending on how the vehicle is tuned and driven.

Recap for OP:

1- power/torque increases when used on top of a standard remap

8 - 15 WHP

2- Power/torque figures when used in conjunction with a water/methanol specific remap to make the most of it.

25 - 40 WHP

3- How long a mixture will last,

Depending on driving habits you will go through about 1 gallon of mix to a tank of gas.

4- Can it be set up to only operate on full throttle or will it be on all the time.

The progressive controller option on the stage 2 kits makes this very adjustable.

5- What different water/meth ratios will give what sort of results.

The more methanol you use the more octane you see the more water you use the more cooling you see.

6- Can it damage your car

Not if installed properly.

7- best places to store the mixture

Garage, shed, barn...? check label on methanol container.

8- will it clean out your engine like nos would

YES!

In my own personal experience I lean towards the Devils own kit. The Snow kits have there benefit but for the 2.0t direct injection motors Devils Own has my vote. Just about every kit on the market has an adjustable progressive-rate controller. The reason DO has everyone licked is because there progressive rate controller is Pulse regulated. That means that as your car builds boost the pump is being sent full 12V pulses until it reaches the specified full-on mode that you set on the controller. The benefit is that you are seeing better atomization of the mixture all the way through the power ban thus seeing more performance and better cooling. Other benefits are that DO's standard pump is a strong 250 psi pump There nozzles are of their own design and focused around ease of installation and the bulk heads that let you to tap into the window washer tank allow you to have an indicator light on your dash letting you know when it's time for a refill.

We are master Distributors of Devils own and Snow performance, we currently supply multiple dealers with there Water/Methanol kits all over the world including BADGER 5. Dubtek being a BSH Dealer also has full access to these kits.

Link:

http://www.bshspeedshop.com/store/home.php?cat=703

Probably having a quiet year since I'll have bought my VRS this year, hoping to have Stage 1 Map by Xmas but as still running in won't be applied until Jan/Feb, also considering some Eibachs and that will probably do until warranty is up.

Wouldn't rule out some cheap non-warranty items like Panel Filter, RARB, maybe a Columbus and Bluetooth kit.

I've been in touch with him already and offered £45 but was rejected lol. Like you say it needs a filter but also it is not blocked off so could suck in hot air. I could make something but it would look crap. I think the standard set up isn't too bad, with a good filter it will be even better.

it comes with a filter, but i was merely pointing out you could uprate it for a bigger one if you wanted.

dont forget the slam panel and grill will be having cold outside air forced through pushing hot air away. also you have air coming up from below the headlight. the difference would still be night and day compared to the panel filter, i noticed a louder noise and a slight bit less breathless at high revs. wasnt worth the money, especially as i also bought that carbonio intake. Felt as though id been robbed lol.

I still don't see the problem with the stock intake isn't it just a tube inside the engine cover similar to the CAI tube? The difference being the scoop at the front actually collects the air. I know it has a second gap in the scoop but surely the car has all the cold air it could ever need, the rest goes into the engine bay.

Oh I know it has a cone filter with it but I would never put an ebay filter on a CAI ever again :rotz:

The stock air filter is a paper element inside the engine cover. The CAI's on the market are less restrictive and allow better flow.

The stock air filter is a paper element inside the engine cover. The CAI's on the market are less restrictive and allow better flow.

Yep I know that but how are they less restictive?

Any Dyno before and afters?

I still don't see the problem with the stock intake isn't it just a tube inside the engine cover similar to the CAI tube? The difference being the scoop at the front actually collects the air. I know it has a second gap in the scoop but surely the car has all the cold air it could ever need, the rest goes into the engine bay.

Oh I know it has a cone filter with it but I would never put an ebay filter on a CAI ever again :rotz:

the stock air box is pants. i believe the new TSI has done away with that style

and has gone for the same style as the aftermarket ones to a degree.

the air come into the engine cover and takes a right angle turn to the rear of the cover. it then takes a sharp right angle turn downwards through the filter, followed underneath immediately by another right angle turn to the down pipe and another right angle turn to the turbo.(bearing in mind the engine cover is only about 4-5" thick, with a panel filter in the middle. and two right angle bends in that 4-5" distance means that the air flow is greatly slowed down, and disturbed) ontop of this its ontop of the engine as well,. I think its a rubbih design.

Obviously VW do as well as they changed the design on the new TSI

Edited 18 November, 200916 yr by simonskerton

the evoms has been dyno proven on JKMs rollers to give an easy 8-12bhp, thats just on a stage 1 map as well. I had the code red intake prior to my ITG and it made iirc it made about 6-9ishbhp on the dyno when compared to the carbonio scoop and pipercross panel filter i had. My ITG made a further 9bhp over the code red intake. this is all using the same rollers as well.

the evoms has been dyno proven on JKMs rollers to give an easy 8-12bhp, thats just on a stage 1 map as well. I had the code red intake prior to my ITG and it made iirc it made about 6-9ishbhp on the dyno when compared to the carbonio scoop and pipercross panel filter i had. My ITG made a further 9bhp over the code red intake. this is all using the same rollers as well.

Back to back results or at a different time of year? I'm just thinking the differences between hot and cold air flow could make those bhp differences.

My next purchase will be a tank of diesel. As I'm now the proud owner of a 1.6D, I'm hoping I can wait a bit longer than normal.

Back to back results or at a different time of year? I'm just thinking the differences between hot and cold air flow could make those bhp differences.

no cos thats the whole point of correction factors on a dyno. they take into account ambient temperature, air pressure etc, and use calculated correction factors to get the results accurate