have just booked my 2.0 tdi in with the local dealer (southamptron)to have the dpf fluid topped up and they have told me it will cost up to £380. was a bit shocked to tell the truth is anyone able to tell me if this is a reasonable price? thanks.

have just booked my 2.0 tdi in with the local dealer (southamptron)to have the dpf fluid topped up and they have told me it will cost up to £380. was a bit shocked to tell the truth is anyone able to tell me if this is a reasonable price? thanks.

I know the fluid is very expensive. But £380 is way way expensive. Ring another dealer and just ask for a quote. Also look into getting the DPF removed, more and more firms are able to do this. Remember the DPF is not for life and will require £700 replacement anytime after 3 years old no matter how much fluid you have.

Crap design by VW and thats why so many members stick too the 130bhp AWX engine.

Good Luck and let us know how you get on.

was told the fluid is £49 per litre and the car needs up to 4 and a half litres but the actual job takes about two and a half hours labour.

i had no idea the dpf could be removed? i will have to look into it. thankyou

was told the fluid is £49 per litre and the car needs up to 4 and a half litres but the actual job takes about two and a half hours labour.

i had no idea the dpf could be removed? i will have to look into it. thankyou

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/155588-dpf-removal-is-it-possible/

Found this from a previous thread. A sponsor about half way down states they can remove the DPF. Cost is high but price up your new DPF and then fluid and visits to dealer to sort out problems and I'll say in the long term it will be cheaper.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/155588-dpf-removal-is-it-possible/

Found this from a previous thread. A sponsor about half way down states they can remove the DPF. Cost is high but price up your new DPF and then fluid and visits to dealer to sort out problems and I'll say in the long term it will be cheaper.

Illegal though as emissions will go up (soot).

It is not just a matter of physically removing the dpf, but there will be a whole set of temperature and pressure sensors in the exhaust system that will need to be somehow disabled otherwise the ECU will still think it's there and something is wrong with it.

That DPF liquid is there to help the DPF regenerate. Regeneration is the process of self-cleaning where the carbonaceous stuff in the DPF matrix gets burnt off at over 500 degrees C.

The liquid helps bring the temperature requirements down. Not a problem really if you are bombing at 110 mph, but most people will be going considerably slower so the car will need to generate this temperature and this is done with post-injection and other things which I will not dwell on here.

Illegal though as emissions will go up (soot).

It is not just a matter of physically removing the dpf, but there will be a whole set of temperature and pressure sensors in the exhaust system that will need to be somehow disabled otherwise the ECU will still think it's there and something is wrong with it.

That DPF liquid is there to help the DPF regenerate. Regeneration is the process of self-cleaning where the carbonaceous stuff in the DPF matrix gets burnt off at over 500 degrees C.

The liquid helps bring the temperature requirements down. Not a problem really if you are bombing at 110 mph, but most people will be going considerably slower so the car will need to generate this temperature and this is done with post-injection and other things which I will not dwell on here.

Illegal, what a lot of rubbish !!

Removal of DPF is not a simple procedure hence the price. Yes the ECU would need to be changed and you could get a little more smoke. As long as it passes the MOT then its LEGAL. Removal technology has only recently become available, therefore experience and reputation would be essential.

Hold up, if you can hold doing anything for a few days I can find out this for you, I've a chap who works with me who has an Elegance with a dpf, I remember him grumbling about having to cough up £80 for a refill, if I see him over the weekend I'll ask where he got it done, and the good news is it ain't far from you either as he mentioned a bloke in your city who can fit Xenon bulbs properly and only charges about £20 plus the bulb, where a main agent will bill you £200+ inclusive for one, I've just avoided getting a Passat with one on, it was only me and the dealer were £800 apart I didn't buy the car, I got another one now and luckily it's not got one, if you have a light on on the dash saying it's part blocked I'd give it some down the motorway briefly at 3am, and then do a 25 mile drive at 65 mph, apparently the regen process doesn't happen above 70mph so I've read, but you wanna get it clear before the second light comes on, cos you are then stressing the engine with back pressure, if you've not heard from me by Monday, PM me to jog my memory, but it will depend if I see him out on the road or not as to how quick I can get the info, in the meantime ring Sparshatts at Fareham cos that's where he got his car from, and also Winchester Motor Company, the service and parts ppl there have been most helpful to me before.

Hold up, if you can hold doing anything for a few days I can find out this for you, I've a chap who works with me who has an Elegance with a dpf, I remember him grumbling about having to cough up £80 for a refill, if I see him over the weekend I'll ask where he got it done, and the good news is it ain't far from you either as he mentioned a bloke in your city who can fit Xenon bulbs properly and only charges about £20 plus the bulb, where a main agent will bill you £200+ inclusive for one, I've just avoided getting a Passat with one on, it was only me and the dealer were £800 apart I didn't buy the car, I got another one now and luckily it's not got one, if you have a light on on the dash saying it's part blocked I'd give it some down the motorway briefly at 3am, and then do a 25 mile drive at 65 mph, apparently the regen process doesn't happen above 70mph so I've read, but you wanna get it clear before the second light comes on, cos you are then stressing the engine with back pressure, if you've not heard from me by Monday, PM me to jog my memory, but it will depend if I see him out on the road or not as to how quick I can get the info, in the meantime ring Sparshatts at Fareham cos that's where he got his car from, and also Winchester Motor Company, the service and parts ppl there have been most helpful to me before.

thanks superbia i'll keep my fingers crossed

Hold up, if you can hold doing anything for a few days I can find out this for you, I've a chap who works with me who has an Elegance with a dpf, I remember him grumbling about having to cough up £80 for a refill, if I see him over the weekend I'll ask where he got it done, and the good news is it ain't far from you either as he mentioned a bloke in your city who can fit Xenon bulbs properly and only charges about £20 plus the bulb, where a main agent will bill you £200+ inclusive for one, I've just avoided getting a Passat with one on, it was only me and the dealer were £800 apart I didn't buy the car, I got another one now and luckily it's not got one, if you have a light on on the dash saying it's part blocked I'd give it some down the motorway briefly at 3am, and then do a 25 mile drive at 65 mph, apparently the regen process doesn't happen above 70mph so I've read, but you wanna get it clear before the second light comes on, cos you are then stressing the engine with back pressure, if you've not heard from me by Monday, PM me to jog my memory, but it will depend if I see him out on the road or not as to how quick I can get the info, in the meantime ring Sparshatts at Fareham cos that's where he got his car from, and also Winchester Motor Company, the service and parts ppl there have been most helpful to me before.

But is it the real Skoda DPF fluid or GM sourced?

But is it the real Skoda DPF fluid or GM sourced?

Wrong DPF fluid will do more harm than good.

Equally if you use the normal engine oils rather than low ash types they will also knacker the dpf.

Problem is most people don't really realise how sensitive these things are.

I use to work as an engineer developing these when they were not even on the market, so I know a thing or two about them.

Regarding earlier comment in terms of legality it is DEFINITELY illegal to have the DPF removed, as the calibration for the car has been set up more retarded to reduce emissions of oxides of nitrogen so it WILL smoke as a matter of routine, and the dpf is there to catch the stuff. In developed countries like germany the car would NEVER pass its MOT with it removed. Over here with our backward MOT system where we still do the free acceleration smoke test (in Germany they use rolling road to put real load on the engine) it might pass the MOT. But this does not mean it is legal, as it WILL smoke on acceleration when a real load is applied on the engine, AND the only reason you pay cheap road tax on it is because it does have a DPF so low emissions class and effectively removing it is dropping it an emissions class to Euro 2 or 3 at best.

There are lots of disadvantages to having the DPF on which relate to inconveniences and high maintenance costs, but if you were worried about this you would be driving a good old smoky 1.9 tdi lump not a 2.0 CR

Wrong DPF fluid will do more harm than good.

Equally if you use the normal engine oils rather than low ash types they will also knacker the dpf.

Problem is most people don't really realise how sensitive these things are.

I use to work as an engineer developing these when they were not even on the market, so I know a thing or two about them.

Regarding earlier comment in terms of legality it is DEFINITELY illegal to have the DPF removed, as the calibration for the car has been set up more retarded to reduce emissions of oxides of nitrogen so it WILL smoke as a matter of routine, and the dpf is there to catch the stuff. In developed countries like germany the car would NEVER pass its MOT with it removed. Over here with our backward MOT system where we still do the free acceleration smoke test (in Germany they use rolling road to put real load on the engine) it might pass the MOT. But this does not mean it is legal, as it WILL smoke on acceleration when a real load is applied on the engine, AND the only reason you pay cheap road tax on it is because it does have a DPF so low emissions class and effectively removing it is dropping it an emissions class to Euro 2 or 3 at best.

There are lots of disadvantages to having the DPF on which relate to inconveniences and high maintenance costs, but if you were worried about this you would be driving a good old smoky 1.9 tdi lump not a 2.0 CR

Oh surperb it was a private joke between me and Supurbia about the fluid. As we live in the UK, and my father is an MOT inspector I can say with confidence it is not illegal as long as the car passes the MOT. Same priniple with a catalyst converter, if a car can pass the test with one removed then it PASSES! As for emmisions the DPF superb has higher emmisions than my non DPF superb (The old smoky AWX 1.9 TDI).

As I have said in previous threads, we have yet to see the real cost of these DPF's on the Superb. When it costs £380 to top up fluid and £800 to change one( which is a certain at some point) we are going to have some very unhappy owners. The 2.0 TDI in the superb is not a CR and people where not warned by Skoda and VW about buying this crap design DPF.

Edited 23 April, 201016 yr by berr0010

But they were well enough warned about the 2.0 engine and the DPF on this Forum. The costs associated with this system of soot filtration removes all of the advantages gained from buying a diesel - you might just as well have a petrol engine for less money and less noise.

There are some old AWX engined taxis in my district - and none of the DPF equipped VAG diesels....

I'll take good care of my old AWX - which doesn't smoke very much.

rotodiesel.

In some countries there are good tax incentives for driving a car with a DPF, so you save shedloads on insurance and taxation. So the higher fuel costs and running costs due to having the DPF are partly offset, or even completely offset.

But over here this is not the case.

I used to have a Peugeot 607 with a DPF too, DPFs used to cost an arm and a leg, but these days you can pick one up for £70 off ebay and other places.

It is just a matter of time before someone starts making these (aftermarket) for the Superb mk2, so they won't cost a grand to replace.

But I would still rather have a good near-completely-mechanical injection pump diesel engine with no aftertreatment. Less things to go wrong.

But is it the real Skoda DPF fluid or GM sourced?

Na, it's unmoddified fluid, which if I suspect right, is probably nothing more than 2 litres of white spirit with some colouring added to it to make it look better, and a fancy label on the bottle with company logo.

btw I can reveal the results of my GM oil useage, car bought @ 50k 3 yrs old, car sold @ 102k 6 yr's old nearly, GM 5/30 fully synth longlife, dropped every 12-14k, new filter Mann supplied by GSF, and the engine sounded as sweet as the day I bought the car, no rattles or indication of any failures around the corner, and I intend to use it in my new 2.0 PD 140 as well, the only advantage for me is I get 5 litres of it for £21, off the shelf it's as dear as VW oil almost, but I do honestly think there's some sort of brand enforcement going on here, you have VW with 500 oils, Ford have the same oil graded and named as something else, and GM stick to conventional titles with the A & B rating, but quite honestly, the 5/30 goes in the VXR8, so there's no way they would shove crap oil in a 6 litre high performance car they know ppl are going to get track time with, in the end it's down to the individual, but like I said, I ran mine for over 50k on it without any issues at all, she always went through an mot clean on emissions, I never had any sludge issues, and it didn't burn through either, I used 0.5 of a litre between changes to top up with, all in all a good oil imo, and I will add this, for all their perceived faults, VX is a pretty honest company, you never have to bend the service guy's ear to get something done, something us VAG owners can't brag about when we have to visit a dealer can we, anyway enough of that, I know the reply was only in jest, but I thought I'd do a summary as mine is now looking for a new owner.

have just booked my 2.0 tdi in with the local dealer (southamptron)to have the dpf fluid topped up and they have told me it will cost up to £380. was a bit shocked to tell the truth is anyone able to tell me if this is a reasonable price? thanks.

You're in luck, I collared him tonight for you, and the info is this.....

Hilton Motors

Band Road

Bitterne Park

Southampton

02380 555600

He's having his re-done soon and it needs a booking as the fluid is only allowed to be dealt by certified distributor's, so it has to be ordered in, he thinks it cost around £85 last time.

Don't say us Pompey boy's never do anything for you

You're in luck, I collared him tonight for you, and the info is this.....

Hilton Motors

Band Road

Bitterne Park

Southampton

02380 555600

He's having his re-done soon and it needs a booking as the fluid is only allowed to be dealt by certified distributor's, so it has to be ordered in, he thinks it cost around £85 last time.

Don't say us Pompey boy's never do anything for you

gave hilton a call today the bloke on the phone didn't sound too sure and quoted £280+vat. so not much better than the dealers. thanks for trying though.

had the work done yesterday by skoda. cost £307 and took about an hour. asked them how much for an 80,000 mile service with cam belt change and they wanted £791. gangsters!

Would someone give clarity and educate me as to what is dpf fluid, and it's relative component operation function is please.

Thanks in advance.

Would someone give clarity and educate me as to what is dpf fluid, and it's relative component operation function is please.

Thanks in advance.

i dont know what the fluids made up of but basically the 2 litre tdi has a thing called a diesel particulate filter(dpf) which collects the soot from the exhaust fumes to make the emisions cleaner. every 300 miles or so a fluid is added to the dpf which raises the temperature high enough to burn off the filtered soot and clean the filter.

Thanks for info barrabbas, looks like this gadget/component not fitted to my Fabia VRS, see no mention of it.

Thanks for info barrabbas, looks like this gadget/component not fitted to my Fabia VRS, see no mention of it.

Correct.