Hi

I gather the standard VRs Octy II does about a 15s standing quarter, we (the boss and me) have a 2010 TSI engine VRS hatch.

I am very impressed by all these figures of chipped horsepower, use to work on a rolling road myself years ago (Piper) but an increase in 30% or so in peak power does not relate to a 30% reduction in standing quarter time or anything like I would presume.

So are we talking around 14 seconds or closer to 13 seconds with the right tyres etc??

Some of the importers in to other countries take this VAG engine out to about 310 hp and the boys in blue, according to urban myth, also have around this hp for their pursuit cars, by changing the turbo too, who do they go to?

Recommendation for in car datalogging (not too expensive) kit?

Do you want this specifically about octy 2 vRS as if so, I will move it to the octy 2 section out of maintenance and performance.

Do you want this specifically about octy 2 vRS as if so, I will move it to the octy 2 section out of maintenance and performance.

Oops, posted without competing, see below....

Edited 26 April, 201016 yr by lol

Do you want this specifically about octy 2 vRS as if so, I will move it to the octy 2 section out of maintenance and performance.

No thanks really because I was also so interested what other VRS owners had got ie 1.8 VRS and Fabia VRSs so if you do not mind if this will get possible comments from these guys too would be interested on their feedback.

Fair enough - it took me good power to break into the 14s - a stock fabia vRS doing 15s is a very good effort, usually around 16.5 to 17s as stock.

Fair enough - it took me good power to break into the 14s - a stock fabia vRS doing 15s is a very good effort, usually around 16.5 to 17s as stock.

We had a Fabia VRS SE (#089), and if it was a dry and warm day it seemed very quick for a 130 hp car easily out accelerating 140-170 hp larger cars up to 110-ish (kms of course) but in the wet could not get the power down so easy. The 1.8 VRS again could spin the front wheels up to 70 mph in second gear, shame gearing is not higher in the 2010 VRS as it is readlining AT 60 MPH in 2nd.

Your times are measured at track days presumably with proper external equipment? Urban legend says a Fabia VRS got over 160 mph on GPS, presumably the older higher geared and a well chipped model. Worth booking a German holiday to find out some of these things.

Kr

Edited 26 April, 201016 yr by lol

lol did you ever figure out the proper shift points based on the gearing?

I've still not been able to find out the gearing :-( -- well, not from a source i would trust.

lol did you ever figure out the proper shift points based on the gearing?

I've still not been able to find out the gearing :-( -- well, not from a source i would trust.

No not yet and not very hopefull. Was going to do it manually via SATNAV to do it as accurate as possible and then analyse the power/torque graph using Simpson Rule and see if I can work it out from there. Suspect that changing at 6500 in first, second and third and then maybe somewhere around 6000-6200 for forth or fifth if I find somewhere to test this theory. Also need a good but reasonably priced datalogger too though.

Kr

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As for the MKII Octy's do they just use the 200hp / 210hp 2.0T units? If so id guestimate with the weight it could hit low 15's high 14's, with a map maybe mid to early 14's but doubt ud see 13's

As for the MKII Octy's do they just use the 200hp / 210hp 2.0T units? If so id guestimate with the weight it could hit low 15's high 14's, with a map maybe mid to early 14's but doubt ud see 13's

They use the EA888 engine now (2009/10) with a 200 PS map (197 bhp), the same engine is used in the Golf and Leon but with a 210 PS map, although these cars are actually slower ie lower top speed due to the high aerodynamic drag and gearing. Agree that mapping is likely only to improve things by a second or so on standing quarter without other changes ie perfect weather conditions, slicks, changing weight distribution etc.

kr

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this is a leaderboard rom the gti website, to give you an idea what to expect, pretty much all the top 21 are all above 330Hp

Overall Leader Board

1 ). 12.601 @ 115.85 - DSG - OEM K04 - REVO S2+ - TRACK TYRE - MK5 ED30 - JonnyC

2 ). 12.701 @ 114.58 - MAN - GT3071R - REVO S3 - ROAD TYRE - AUDI S3 - Andy Oram

3 ). 12.733 @ 107.70 - MAN - OEM K04 - REVO S2+ - ROAD TYRE - AUDI S3 - David_Phillips95

4 ). 12.790 @ 111.67 - DSG - OEM K04 - JABBASPORT CUSTOM - TRACK TYRE - MK5 ED30 - JABBALAD

5 ). 12.911 @ 119.21 - DSG - GT3076R - REVO S4 - TRACK TYRE - MK5 ED30 - JonnyC

6 ). 12.989 @ 113.24 - DSG - OEM K04 - REVO S3 - TRACK TYRE - AUDI TT - Revo TT

7 ). 13.040 @ 112.20 - DSG - OEM K04 - REVO S2+ - ROAD TYRE - MK5 ED30 - GTIjames

8 ). 13.151 @ 109.20 - DSG - OEM K04 - REVO S2+ - TRACK TYRE - MK5 ED30 - Hurdy

9 ). 13.165 @ ???.??? - MAN - GT2871R - GIAC RSR - TRACK TYRE - MK5 GTI - Regal Autosport

10). 13.177 @ 109.15 - DSG - OEM K04 - REVO S2 - ROAD TYRE - MK5 ED30 - VtecAbuser

11). 13.233 @ 113.60 - MAN - OEM KO4 - REVO S2+ - ROAD TYRE - LEON CUPRA - djhorace

12). 13.284 @ ???.??? - DSG - OEM K04 - REVO S1 - ROAD TYRE - AUDI S3 - T88OMM

13). 13.401 @ 110.62 - DSG - OEM K04 - REVO S2 - ROAD TYRE - MK5 ED30 - NB07

14). 13.402 @ ???.??? - MAN - OEM K04 - REVO S2+ - ROAD TYRE - CUPRA K1 - Revo K1

15). 13.598 @ 101.00 - MAN - OEM K04 - REVO S1 - ROAD TYRE - CUPRA K1 - cuprak1

16). 13.650 @ ???.??? - DSG - OEM K04 - REVO S2+ - ROAD TYRE - MK5 ED30 - NeilM

17). 13.680 @ ???.??? - MAN - OEM K04 - REVO S2+ - ROAD TYRE - AUDI S3 - S3Dan

18). 13.742 @ 103.55 - MAN - OEM K04 - REVO S1 - ROAD TYRE - AUDI S3 - KRL

19). 13.850 @ ???.??? - MAN - OEM K04 - REVO S1 - ROAD TYRE - AUDI S3 - LEON

20). 13.850 @ 107.17 - DSG - OEM K04 - REVO S2+ - ROAD TYRE - MK5 ED30 - DomT

21). 13.853 @ 104.97 - DSG - OEM K04 - BLUEF S2 - ROAD TYRE - MK5 ED30 - Aparoon

22). 14.073 @ 100.99 - DSG - OEM K03 - REVO S2 - ROAD TYRE - MK5 GTI - Red Robin

23). 14.091 @ ???.??? - MAN - OEM K03 - REVO S2 - ROAD TYRE - MK5 GTI - GILLM

24). 14.358 @ ???.??? - DSG - OEM K03 - REVO S2 - ROAD TYRE - MK5 GTI - tony_danza

K03 MAN Leader

14.091 @ ???.??? - MAN - OEM K03 - REVO S2 - ROAD TYRE - MK5 GTI - GILLM

K03 DSG Leader

14.073 @ 100.99 - DSG - OEM K03 - REVO S2 - ROAD TYRE - MK5 GTI - Red Robin

K04 MAN Leader

12.733 @ 107.70 - MAN - OEM K04 - REVO S2+ - ROAD TYRE - AUDI S3 - David_Phillips95

K04 DSG Leader

12.601 @ 115.85 - DSG - OEM K04 - REVO S2+ - TRACK TYRE - MK5 ED30 - JonnyC

Aftermarket MAN Leader

12.701 @ 114.58 - MAN - GT3071R - REVO S3 - ROAD TYRE - AUDI S3 - Andy Oram

Aftermarket DSG Leader

12.911 @ 119.21 - DSG - GT3076R - REVO S4 - TRACK TYRE - MK5 ED30 - JonnyC

Overall Leader

12.601 @ 115.85 - DSG - OEM K04 - REVO S2+ - TRACK TYRE - MK5 ED30 - JonnyC

Thanks for all these figures, it suprises me how well front wheel drive cars do ie not more of the 4 wheel drive Golf variance ie TT, 4 motions etc further up the table. Presume these were mainly set on warm and dry summer days.

Do wonder how much the Octavia is handicapped by its large boot ie weight over the rear axle and not therefore on the front axle suppose the difference between octavia and golf/leon/A3 is only a percent or 2.

Do find the power measured quite an interesting subject. Rolling roads measure torque of course. Engine power quoted by manufacturer is at the engine, not rear wheels. Power at rear wheels is likely to be about 85% of the engine horsepower due to gear train loses ie 200 hp VRS - 170 hp at the front wheels. Rolling roads use to add a "correction factor" is a multiplier to get back to the engine horse power figure, 1.175 or some figure. strange (or not) I see none of this mentioned that I have seen on this or any similar site. Feels like a Matrix moment or is this conspiracy theory?

Edited 3 May, 201016 yr by lol

Interesting board! Id imagine they must weight abit then, as im hitting faster 1/4 times than 15) whilst going slightly slower (only 1 or 2mph less) with 225bhp and normal road tyres.

Interesting board! Id imagine they must weight abit then, as im hitting faster 1/4 times than 15) whilst going slightly slower (only 1 or 2mph less) with 225bhp and normal road tyres.

Did you have your car measured as standard and then after remapping etc? SEAT Ibiza Cupra was 160 PS I recall. What revs are you producing the 225 bhp and what boost pressure compared to Std? Had a Fabia VRS and that could be skittish in the cold/wet Cupra must be a handful!

Edited 11 May, 201016 yr by lol