Please see my full question in the Welcome section of Forum

I don't seem to have hill hold fitted even though it says so in the Skoda brochure

The Hill start assist is fitted and works well and Skoda staff seem to confuse the two systems

Please advise if you have similar probs

I'm confused now - could you describe the difference(s), please?

Ray

I'm confused now - could you describe the difference(s), please?

Ray

Please see my reply which I hope answers your question on the Introduce Yourself Forum' page..................

basically hill hold should hold the car still on any incline without human intervention for any period of time required

hillstart assist simply helps you pull away whilst on an incline and also exhibits the ability to hold the car for two seconds only before pulling away into the car in front when queueing on a hill! A dab on the brake then causes the car to roll back oto the car behind! This is not a feature my wife enjoyed driving onto the upper deck of a ferry!!!! It's lethal. and it's not hill HOLD

The Hill start assist is fitted and works well and Skoda staff seem to confuse the two systems.

The staff cannot "confuse the two systems" on a Skoda, because there is only one - which works exactly as Skoda describe.

You seem to believe that your previous experience of a totally different system (e.g. that used on some Mercedes cars) entitles you to expect that exact same system on any car, which is clearly not realistic. Realising that you made a mistake in your understanding after the event falls within "caveat emptor," or "buyer beware," which requires that a purchaser must examine, judge and test a product considered for purchase himself or herself.

Ray

............... It's lethal. and it's not hill HOLD

I do agree with the previous poster and would like to point out politely that you do still have a HANDBRAKE! I made a fuss about the lack of HHC on my vehicle as in effect I had paid for something which I didn't get. I'm more than happy to use the handbrake as I find it's quite effective!

I have the two second (ish) hold on my Octavia Scout and think its great!

I can't understand how you would manage to:

1) drive into the car infront?

or:

2) roll into the car behind?

The system deactivates after a short period of time after releasing the foot brake or when you lift the clutch - simple!

Edited 3 August, 201015 yr by silver1011

The car in question is an automatic so no clutch and it drives forward without touching the accelerator because of the hill start assist function

... it drives forward without touching the accelerator because of the hill start assist function

Once again, you're comparing apples with oranges. Your previous car(s) with "hill hold" probably had a mechanism that held the vehicle, when stationary after braking, until you again pressed the accelerator. This may (or may not) have happened when facing downhill as well as uphill - depending totally on make, model and - therefore - price.

The Superb's Hill Start is only to prevent any roll-back for a short period whilst the driver moves their foot from the brake to the accelerator, preventing the need to change into neutral or park, or to apply the handbrake. It is not a substitute for correct driving practice, merely a convenience factor.

If you leave the DSG engaged (i.e., in "D") and apply the handbrake, the car will try to pull away against the handbrake once the footbrake is released - that's like most automatics, except that the DSG is disengaged by applying and keeping applied the footbrake when stationary. On gearboxes with a torque converter, the footbrake holds the car but the gearbox remains engaged.

Once the footbrake is released on the Superb, the DSG engages and the car will creep forward if - and only if - on the flat, or on an incline shallow enough to allow the creep to overcome the incline. Facing downhill, once the brake is released, the car will roll forward under creep and the effect of gravity. On a steeper incline, the weight of the car can and will overcome the creep and the car will roll backwards once the Hill Start disengages after 2 seconds. This is different from most conventional automatic gearboxes.

You have, therefore, a number of options:

• When stopped, engage Park and release the footbrake. Applying the handbrake is not essential. Creep will not occur.
• When stopped, select Neutral and apply the handbrake. Creep will not occur.
• When stopped, retain pressure on the footbrake. This disengages the DSG until the footbrake is released. Creep will not occur whilst the footbrake is held. Applying the handbrake is not required and will be counter-productive.

With the first two options, resuming driving requires pressure on the footbrake to engage Drive, but do not expect this secondary activation of the footbrake to activate Hill Start, which, as I understand it, requires that the initial stopping footbrake pressure be retained, not re-applied. If I'm wrong in this understanding, I'm sure others - or a dealership - will correct me.

The Hill Start is not "lethal" in any way and it is nonsense to suggest that it is. Such convenience accessories are not designed to take the place of correct driving practices and it is always the responsibility of the driver to maintain full control of both speed and direction.

A demonstration drive prior to either purchase or collection should have fully explained the feature and if this was not done I would have thought that your own curiosity, surprise or disappointment would have had you back at the dealership seeking answers, rather than blaming the car for not doing something it was never designed to do in the first place.

Ray

Quoted directly from the inside back page of a Yeti brochure.

HHC: Hill hold control allows for a safe hill start by holding the brake for a small amount of time, reducing the risk of unintentional reversing or roll back.

It would be useful if this info was in the Superb and Octavia brochure too, but your dealer should know this anyway.

Hope this helps

[ quote from owners handbook]

The uphill start assist makes it easier to start off on steep hills. The system assists a start off by holding the brake pressure produced by the brake pedal actuation for approx. 2 seconds after releasing the brake pedal. The driver can therefore move his foot from the brake pedal to the accelerator pedal and start off on the slope, without having to actuate the handbrake. The brake pressure drops gradually the more you operate the accelerator pedal. If the vehicle does not start off within 2 seconds, it starts to roll back.

The uphill start assist is active as of a 5 % slope, if the driver door is closed. It is always active on slopes when in forward or reverse start off. When driving downhill, it is inactive.

There is also a extremely good alternative to the hill hold, it is called a hand or parking brake, as used by owners who do not have hill hold.

The car in question is an automatic so no clutch and it drives forward without touching the accelerator because of the hill start assist function.

The DSG box has two clutches, and is not a conventional automatic box. The car will not creep if hill hold is activated on a slope as per the information in the handbook.

The car will creep if in drive, on the level without the brakes applied this is normal, I have had experience with many types of automatic gearboxes, also repairing them in over 40 years as a motor vehicle technician.

There are many good websites that give cut away diagrams, and full details on how the DSG boxes work, and the differences in the different types of automatic gearboxes.

I have a DSG superb without any kind of hill hold, hill start or whatever you want to call it. I have no issues with hill starts, and can start driving straight forward with no rollback even on steep slopes.

Performing a hill start on a DSG requires a whole new driving technique, as neither a manual type start or a conventional auto hill start work. If you simply remove your foot from the brake then the car WILL roll back a little as the clutches engage fully. What you need to do is use the handbrake, with the handbrake applied, release the footbrake and the dsg clutches will engage, now release the handbrake and the car will either sit where it is if the slope is steep enough, or will start to creep on a slight slope. Now simply apply some throttle and off you go.

The car in question is an automatic so no clutch and it drives forward without touching the accelerator because of the hill start assist function

It's actually got 2 clutches, albeit no clutch pedal.

You do have a brake pedal and a handbrake though.

Please see my full question in the Welcome section of Forum

I don't seem to have hill hold fitted even though it says so in the Skoda brochure

The Hill start assist is fitted and works well and Skoda staff seem to confuse the two systems

Please advise if you have similar probs

Yes! You're absolutely right. The Skoda yeti brochure clearly says that the car will hold itself briefly on a hill as part of the Off road button which seems to be a barefaced lie.

Argee - it isn't a case of buyer beware. If you buy a car, you should be entitled to expect it to do what the brochure says, and even James at Allams thought it should be holding itself on pulling away on a hill as we had the Off road button fitted to a 4x4 SE 1.8tsi. We had to take him out in the car to show that it didn't do it which seemed to surprise him.

Despite that, Skoda UK basically told me it was my fault for somehow not interrogating Allams as to what was basically true or false in the brochure and tried to fob me off with a refund of the offroad button. Very disappointed.

Yes, the car has a handbrake, but when you commit to three years of finance, wait 16 weeks to get delivery and otherwise spec a car to your heart's desire, you feel somewhat cheated when it then doesn't do what it says on the tin. I could have put up with it if they hadn't outright lied about the fuel consumption as well!

Thing is, I do a lot of off roading in the Lake District and my wife hates hill starts so I specifically wanted this feature.

Shame on you Skoda.

Everyone has hill hold for as long as you want fitted standard to the driver, using an auto that is, use your left foot to hold the brake and the right to push on the throttle, instant hill hold. Mind you I have been doing this for over thirty years with autos so it is not strange to me, I left foot brake them and find it a natural thing to do. Yes, I know every driving instructor, expert etc advise against it but that is their opinion as they have never tried to adapt.

Edit: I have a very steep driveway so ran a test. when I release the brake the car holds for two seconds then creeps forward and stays there, does not roll back or go forward. Is this hill hold or hill start? I bought the car used so do not know the difference between the two. I am guessing it is hill start but the car is obviously slipping the clutch and shows no sign of it releasing.

Edited 25 July, 201114 yr by Ozsko

Edit: I have a very steep driveway so ran a test. when I release the brake the car holds for two seconds then creeps forward and stays there, does not roll back or go forward. Is this hill hold or hill start? I bought the car used so do not know the difference between the two. I am guessing it is hill start but the car is obviously slipping the clutch and shows no sign of it releasing.

Well that's a load of rubbish, I tried it again and it does roll back but not very fast at least initially, quite slowly in fact. I find the hill hold a bit of an annoyance when using left foot braking as it is not needed.