Just when you were thinking I'd disappeared for ever.... (Too much work, dead computers and the knowledge that once I start reading all the posts here I'll never get any work done!).

Mighty Yeti had its first service (10,000 miles) yesterday at Allams and all was fine - both with the vehicle and the level of service.

Only other thing to report is that after 8 months of ownership, I found out that if you press the sunr**f blind button once, quickly - it opens or closes all the way. There was me for all that time driving along with the finger stuck to the button to open and close it all the way (that actually allows you to move it part of the way) for all those miles. Only sussed it when I went over a bump and 'jabbed' the button.... Doh!

Still as great as the first time I drove it - and no squeaks, rattles or leaks from the splendid sunr**f...

Great to have you back! I was just speaking of your gleaming WHITE monster and singing praises thereof! Did wonder if you had decomposed somewhere!

Good to know about the service...... at what sort of cost? Mine will be due in a month or so and it is good to budget!

George

Great tip !

Will try tomorrow - my blind seems to auto-close every time.

I often wondered whether the car behind thought I was being rude when driving along opening the blind in a morning....

Excellent tip there,I for one was seem to spend ages opening the blind as it seems to constantly close itself,was wondering if VCDS would have a setting to stop it self closing.

Great to have you back! I was just speaking of your gleaming WHITE monster and singing praises thereof! Did wonder if you had decomposed somewhere!

Good to know about the service...... at what sort of cost? Mine will be due in a month or so and it is good to budget!

George

Likewise, beginning to think you had been subjected to transportation of something of that nature

Pats on 9000, so again like with George will be needing to get a service organised soon. Slight conundrum though, the dealer I bought her from has been taken over and their excellent service manager obviously not happy with the new regime moved on. Which makes me think the service may not be as was.

Have a choice of two other dealers locally one I have a little experience with in terms of service but not totally convinced by them shall we say. The other used once for a quick running repair under previous ownership a long while back. So I've been contemplating giving them a try and see how we get on.

Anyway nice to know your still with us and your TSM is being impeccably well behaved as usual.

Regards as always,

TP

I have a question about the oil change. I also had a first service a month ago. They invoiced for 4.3 liters of the opil, but when I checked it, it was about 0.5 liters down on the dpstick.

I have no real suspicion that they did fill or intended to fill 4.3 liters i´n the motor, so the question is:

Is the book oil volume at 4.3 liters wrong? - or did someone screw up?

Alternatively, does the 4.3 liters not include what is in the oil filter?

VAG must have increased the size of the sump, as my 2.0 liter PD in the Octy only needed 3.8 liters. This seemed a bit skimpy to me, coming from a Merc 2.5 liter Diesel with a 7 liter oil sump.

I have a question about the oil change. I also had a first service a month ago. They invoiced for 4.3 liters of the opil, but when I checked it, it was about 0.5 liters down on the dpstick.

I have no real suspicion that they did fill or intended to fill 4.3 liters i´n the motor, so the question is:

Is the book oil volume at 4.3 liters wrong? - or did someone screw up?

Alternatively, does the 4.3 liters not include what is in the oil filter?

VAG must have increased the size of the sump, as my 2.0 liter PD in the Octy only needed 3.8 liters. This seemed a bit skimpy to me, coming from a Merc 2.5 liter Diesel with a 7 liter oil sump.

Daft as it may sound are you checking the oil warm or cold; only recently appreciated myself that the handbook now stipulates checking it warm a few minutes after a run and is it in area a or b on the stick or are you concerned as it's in c (see handbook)

Regards,

TP

Hello Tim,

horough as usual.

The oil level was at the bottom of the B range after driving home and waiting a few minutes to check - so oil was warm. I don't see any discernable difference between the level of the oil when hot or cold. Once filled up to the top of the B range, it stays there for weeks.

Usually, before a long planned trip, I check it cold before setting out and fill up to the A level. After a couple of thousand km on the Bahn, it usually is not down to the top of the B level afterwards.

Hello Tim,

horough as usual.

The oil level was at the bottom of the B range after driving home and waiting a few minutes to check - so oil was warm. I don't see any discernable difference between the level of the oil when hot or cold. Once filled up to the top of the B range, it stays there for weeks.

Usually, before a long planned trip, I check it cold before setting out and fill up to the A level. After a couple of thousand km on the Bahn, it usually is not down to the top of the B level afterwards.

Mine admitadly checking cold after a couple of thousand miles was just below the half way point of section b but I honstly could not remember were it was before so I topped up to a. Now at 9000 miles and back to a similar point, maybe just reading a bit less than before.

This consumption rate appears to be about the same as my previous 2 PD's, although my dad has a 170 Superb which he reckons hardly uses any oil.

With a service due soon I will probably see if she can make it without another top up.

As a side note which I mentioned before my Golf TDI 4motion went through half a litre each way to Austria and back; about 980 driven within a 20 hour period per journey.

Regards,

TP

Snehvide used 1½ liter of oil the first 30,000 km. That probably fits with Pater's Superb, particularly if not used on long trips.

My Octy 140 PD used ½ liter each way on the trips to the South of Spain - about 3500 km the way I went.

Mine admitadly checking cold after a couple of thousand miles was just below the half way point of section b but I honstly could not remember were it was before so I topped up to a. Now at 9000 miles and back to a similar point, maybe just reading a bit less than before.

This consumption rate appears to be about the same as my previous 2 PD's, although my dad has a 170 Superb which he reckons hardly uses any oil.

With a service due soon I will probably see if she can make it without another top up.

As a side note which I mentioned before my Golf TDI 4motion went through half a litre each way to Austria and back; about 980 driven within a 20 hour period per journey.

Regards,

TP

I was about to post about oil consumption. My 110 diesel gets through about half a litre every 400 miles or so. As I cover 800 to 900 miles a week this means topping up with oil twice a week. I've spoken to a couple of Skoda service managers about it on my travels and the reaction seems to be that some are like that. All adds to the running costs too at £25 plus for 5 litres, a bit like getting 35mpg rather than 40mpg on fuel.

The lamented Scooby diesel never used a drop between services. Guess that's progress for you.

YetiSP2, one liter every 1000 miles seems excessive, and while probably within some published tolerances, should be checked into. Do you notice any drips anywhere? On non-turbo engines, particularly petrol, the culprit was often leaky valve stem seals, leaking oil into the inlet manifold during low loads, where there is a vacuum there. This should not happen with turbo engines, as there is always positive pressure in the manifold on both sides.

I am not quite sure how the turbo is lubricated, but on some turbo engines with pressure lubrication of the turbo bearings, a turbo seal leaking into the inlet side could be a place to look.

1 liter for 1000 mils is 13 times more oil than my 170 CR uses

Tim, the expansion of lube oil from 1°C to 100°C, which is a normel oil temperature is only 2 by volume, not enough to see accurately on the dipstick. if we assume the oil level in the sump is 50 mm, then it would be 51 mm when hot - no practical difference, as you would add oil if low plus or minus a mm, and at the top end, I seriously doubt that 1 mm over the top A mark has any significance.

Edited 14 August, 201015 yr by Agerbundsen

YetiSP2, one liter every 1000 miles seems excessive, and while probably within some published tolerances, should be checked into. Do you notice any drips anywhere? On non-turbo engines, particularly petrol, the culprit was often leaky valve stem seals, leaking oil into the inlet manifold during low loads, where there is a vacuum there. This should not happen with turbo engines, as there is always positive pressure in the manifold on both sides.

I am not quite sure how the turbo is lubricated, but on some turbo engines with pressure lubrication of the turbo bearings, a turbo seal leaking into the inlet side could be a place to look.

1 liter for 1000 mils is 13 times more oil than my 170 CR uses

Tim, the expansion of lube oil from 1°C to 100°C, which is a normel oil temperature is only 2 by volume, not enough to see accurately on the dipstick. if we assume the oil level in the sump is 50 mm, then it would be 51 mm when hot - no practical difference, as you would add oil if low plus or minus a mm, and at the top end, I seriously doubt that 1 mm over the top A mark has any significance.

Thanks Agerbundsen,

no I doubt that little would be an issue as you suggest.

Used to have issues mind with the RR Merlins on Spits & Hurri's in that being aircraft a dry sump system with oil tank was used. Problem was on occasion the engine would during taxiing back after flight retain more oil in the sum then it should. We then filled it up thinking it was low and then next time it flew the underside would get covered as it blew out the breathers and any other orifice it could find :S

TP

I was about to post about oil consumption. My 110 diesel gets through about half a litre every 400 miles or so. As I cover 800 to 900 miles a week this means topping up with oil twice a week. I've spoken to a couple of Skoda service managers about it on my travels and the reaction seems to be that some are like that. All adds to the running costs too at £25 plus for 5 litres, a bit like getting 35mpg rather than 40mpg on fuel.

The lamented Scooby diesel never used a drop between services. Guess that's progress for you.

That's certainly excessive in my book.How was the car "run in"? There has been much comment in recent years about modern engines using fully synthetic oil from new. when driven gently the piston rings never bed in properly ,hence the high oil consumption.I'll bet hire cars don't have to have their oil topped up twice a week and we know how they are driven from new!

That's certainly excessive in my book.How was the car "run in"? There has been much comment in recent years about modern engines using fully synthetic oil from new. when driven gently the piston rings never bed in properly ,hence the high oil consumption.I'll bet hire cars don't have to have their oil topped up twice a week and we know how they are driven from new!

I ran it in the same way as all my recent cars, drove it normally! It got a decent mix of m/way and A road use and very few short journeys. The last car I had that used more than a drop of oil was a VAG 1.9 PDI in an Audi so you could say that in my book these engines have "previous"! No obvious leaks or drips but the exhaust is darker than I've been used to on the last few diesels.

It's got a load of warranty things to be fixed when I get a day to take it in so this has been added to the list - that's another thing I'm not used to - cars that need warranty or repair work!

I have a question about the oil change. I also had a first service a month ago. They invoiced for 4.3 liters of the opil, but when I checked it, it was about 0.5 liters down on the dpstick.

I have no real suspicion that they did fill or intended to fill 4.3 liters i´n the motor, so the question is:

Is the book oil volume at 4.3 liters wrong? - or did someone screw up?

Alternatively, does the 4.3 liters not include what is in the oil filter?

VAG must have increased the size of the sump, as my 2.0 liter PD in the Octy only needed 3.8 liters. This seemed a bit skimpy to me, coming from a Merc 2.5 liter Diesel with a 7 liter oil sump.

I changed the oil myself at 10K miles and used almost all of the 5 litre tub of oil. My guess is that capacity is actually 0.5 litres more than shown in the handbook.

I changed the oil myself at 10K miles and used almost all of the 5 litre tub of oil. My guess is that capacity is actually 0.5 litres more than shown in the handbook.

Great, thanks. That was what I was really expecting.

That's certainly excessive in my book.How was the car "run in"? There has been much comment in recent years about modern engines using fully synthetic oil from new. when driven gently the piston rings never bed in properly ,hence the high oil consumption.I'll bet hire cars don't have to have their oil topped up twice a week and we know how they are driven from new!

My 110 4X4 has used no visible amount of oil in it's 1st 1000 miles, although I'm keeping the revs down and plan to do so for the next couple of thousand also. I'm surprised you are using so much oil, a leak surely. That has not been my experience with any modern common-rail turbo diesel that's been run-in carefully.

Cost of the service was £147.54 all inclusive and with £20 'customer loyalty card' discount.

I was billed for 5 litres of oil. I haven't checked the manual but normally oil filters will use up at least 0.5 litre, and manuals often quote sump capacity.

My SM used perhaps a litre of oil in first 3000 miles but has settled down to use effectively none now. My Fabia vRS 1.9 PD130 engine was exactly the same.

My 110 4X4 has used no visible amount of oil in it's 1st 1000 miles, although I'm keeping the revs down and plan to do so for the next couple of thousand also. I'm surprised you are using so much oil, a leak surely. That has not been my experience with any modern common-rail turbo diesel that's been run-in carefully.

Nor mine to be honest, best part of 200,000 miles and five years since I had a car that needed any more than negligible amounts of oil - in fact I don't remember putting any into the CDTI Honda at all in just shy of 100000 and probably a half litre in total in the Subaru over the same distance. Before that the (common rail) Volvo used (burned) a lot of oil but it was a useless engine in a worse car and is the last car I ran that I got rid of before plan.

The (Spanish) Audi with the 1.9 PD engine that I used for 6 months while working out there was not mine from new but it ate oil and fuel.

The Yeti is almost certainly not leaking and the exhaust is getting blacker so I'll guess it's burning oil, which I'll bet will lead to Skoda saying it wasn't run in properly

The Yeti is almost certainly not leaking and the exhaust is getting blacker so I'll guess it's burning oil, which I'll bet will lead to Skoda saying it wasn't run in properly

I would bet that they would be interested in solving the problem if approached in a reasonable manner. Start out anticipating that they WILL be helpful, and they probably will.'

The Dealers make money from solving warranty problems, so give them a chance.

My best guess is still the turbo seals.

My 110 4X4 has used no visible amount of oil in it's 1st 1000 miles, although I'm keeping the revs down and plan to do so for the next couple of thousand also. I'm surprised you are using so much oil, a leak surely. That has not been my experience with any modern common-rail turbo diesel that's been run-in carefully.

Seems to be differing opinions brought up on this thread about running in and whether you should be careful running it in or drive normally and bed the seals in ?? Anybody got a view that knows about modern diesel engines ???

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Seems to be differing opinions brought up on this thread about running in and whether you should be careful running it in or drive normally and bed the seals in ?? Anybody got a view that knows about modern diesel engines ???

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Hi,

Page 173 of the owner's manual:

The engine has to be run in during the first 1500 km.

Up to 1000 km

Do not drive faster than 3/4 of the maximum speed of the gear in use, that is 3/4 of the maximum permissible engine speed.

Do not use full throttle

Avoid high engine revolutions

Do not tow a trailer.

1000-1500 km

Increase power output of engine gradually up to the full speed of the gear engaged, that is up to maximum permissible engine revolutions

Do not drive with engine revolutions that are too low for the gear in use.

Make sure the engine has warmed up to normal operating temperature, don't rev a cold engine.

Edited 15 August, 201015 yr by jeep

I know that not everyone agrees with the manual's recommendations running in - as per numerous previous threads here. But if you do follow what the manual suggests then for a diesel Yeti this seems to boil down to:

1. Don't exceed 3000rpm until the engine has warmed up.

2. Don't let the engine labour (ie at unduly low revs - maybe <1500rpm??))

3. Once warm, the engine can be revved up to 3750rpm in any gear (within speed limits obviously) for the first 600 miles or so. Then from 600-1000 miles the engine can be progressively extended to 5000rpm in any gear, eg:

600-700 - up to 4000rpm

700-800 - up to 4250rpm

800-900 - up to 4500rpm

900-1000 - up to 4750rpm

(if I'm remembering correctly that the CR diesel engine is redlined at 5000?)