Hi all,

I have a 2.0 Superb TDi registered 2007 and am very happy with it so far. I have owned the car for about six months and it has been a great pleasure to drive. However reading on this forum about all the potential problems relating to oil pump failure, am I driving a car that is going to let me down in a big and expensive way. What I need to know, is it an oil pump problem affecting Superbs from old to new or is it just related to earlier models. My Superb is a 2007 elegance model and has 47K on the clock.

Do I carry on driving and just have the regular services, or should I be taking more investigative action to ensure the reliability of the pump.

Any advise would be much appreciated. Thanks

Take out a comprehensive third party warranty or sell it. Don't worry about it - life's too short.

rotodiesel.

I personally havent heard of any 2.0 8v PD oil pump failures, have you Roto?

Certainly have.

rotodiesel.

Shows I been out of the Skoda game to long then lol

Still soon put that right.

I think you'll find Warranty Direct will cover that vehicle for about £250 per year. Yoiu need to play hard to get in order to get the best price though.

Usually a 6 week limit before any claim entertained.... in my case it was sudden and no warning.....just the oil pressure low warning and that was it

Hi all,

I have a 2.0 Superb TDi registered 2007 and am very happy with it so far. I have owned the car for about six months and it has been a great pleasure to drive. However reading on this forum about all the potential problems relating to oil pump failure, am I driving a car that is going to let me down in a big and expensive way. What I need to know, is it an oil pump problem affecting Superbs from old to new or is it just related to earlier models. My Superb is a 2007 elegance model and has 47K on the clock.

Do I carry on driving and just have the regular services, or should I be taking more investigative action to ensure the reliability of the pump.

Any advise would be much appreciated. Thanks

hi I've got a late 55 plate 2.0 tdi elegance and at 57k oil pump went £755 at a local specialist to get fixed as long as you turn engine off straight away you should be ok just either get it covered or put money away :( for when it does you never know when but more than likely will as roto says not worth worrying about

Hi all,

I have a 2.0 Superb TDi registered 2007 and am very happy with it so far. I have owned the car for about six months and it has been a great pleasure to drive. However reading on this forum about all the potential problems relating to oil pump failure, am I driving a car that is going to let me down in a big and expensive way. What I need to know, is it an oil pump problem affecting Superbs from old to new or is it just related to earlier models. My Superb is a 2007 elegance model and has 47K on the clock.

Do I carry on driving and just have the regular services, or should I be taking more investigative action to ensure the reliability of the pump.

Any advise would be much appreciated. Thanks

I'd like the answer to that as well as its a serious potential weakness,but nobody seems to know on this forum if the later 2.0's have had their oil pump drive splines upgraded or not. My local VW indy who is normally very helpful and on the ball doesn't seem to know either. I always intended to chop my Octavia which has the 2.0 TDi when the warranty expires due to the possible cost of DSG failure, but I think the oil pump issue has just made this a certainty for me.

Edited 23 August, 201015 yr by Minimoke

hi I've got a late 55 plate 2.0 tdi elegance and at 57k oil pump went £755 at a local specialist to get fixed as long as you turn engine off straight away you should be ok just either get it covered or put money away :( for when it does you never know when but more than likely will as roto says not worth worrying about

Hi:

I don't want to start an argument here (lifes too short), but this engine has a known weakness which has manifested itself at only 57K miles on your car. That's no mileage at all on a diesel engine in my book. And you are content to pay a bill of £750 because you were lucky enough to be able to stop quickly enough before your engine was wrecked?

Personally I don't find that acceptable.

Edited 23 August, 201015 yr by Minimoke

I agree with last post...as on previous threads my engine died at 38k.....no warning...just the oil pressure low in red and that was it. For the dealers to say they havent heard of the problem is an insult...one only has to go online and read the threads on oil pump issues. And as for making a contribution towards a defect that they knew about but wont own upto is a no go full stop. My wife and i bought our car brand spanking new with the idea that the diesel engine would do in excess of 150k miles...basically giving us worry free driving, and as long as the car has been serviced to vw specifications and correct oils which it has, and then to die on us is not right....someone has to be held accountable.

Sorry but I was under the impression that the 2.0 TDI in the octavia wasn't effected by this issue.

Sorry but I was under the impression that the 2.0 TDI in the octavia wasn't effected by this issue.

Hi:

My understanding of the oil pump issue is that early PD 2.0 uses a chain driven balance shaft which also drives the oil pump via a hex shaft in the pump itself. Oil pump issues could arise from either failure of the chain drive to the balancer shaft (hence no drive to the oil pump), or alternatively the hex drive itself would round off (due to the torsional stress/vibration from the balancer shaft and chain drive) again resulting in no drive to the oil pump.

Later PD 2.0 use a similar balancer shaft but with a different oil pump and gear drive. It is claimed that the gear drive smoothes out stress on the oil pump hex shaft so it should run much better. However it does not negate the threat of failure of the hex shaft which seems to be becoming more common.

I'm quite wiling to be corrected by anybody who actually has hard facts about this issue............

The situation is more complicated than this - you can't expect VAG to get it right after only one fix. I think the story goes like this:

The earliest 2.0 PD engines such as the BHW had chain driven balancer shafts. They were a complete disaster as you would fully expect - gear teeth stripped, tensioners broken due to torsionals - many engines completely wrecked. These engines were fitted in various Audis and US spec. Passats. A rework kit was available for the poor sods who bought them, at vast cost. VAG seldom paid.

These engines were never fitted to Superbs - the change to the 2.0 PD in this clone was made to coincide with the Euro IV emissions spec. by which time all 2.0 balancers were gear driven.

So, the later 2.0 PDs had gear driven shafts but with a weak hex coupling to the oil pump which was driven from the slave balancer shaft. The pump couplings stripped with rounded corners due to the torsional oscillations in the drive. This caused loss of oil pressure and many wrecked engines. The first 2.0 PD Superbs got these.

My knowledge stops here because when shopping for a Superb, I discounted the DPF engine on other technical grounds before I knew about the crappy oil pump drive. It must be fair to assume though that the later 2.0 PD engines have a modified oil pump drive hex coupling, otherwise they would be unsaleable.

Most of my B5.5 knowledge arises from work personnel bringing Passats into the UK from Germany and I'm unlikely to see many more B5.5s. If I get to see a later 2.0 PD engine in bits, I'll take a careful look at the oil pump coupling and report back. I know what the old one looks like and I'll know if they've changed it.

rotodiesel.

Edited 24 August, 201015 yr by rotodiesel

The situation is more complicated than this - you can't expect VAG to get it right after only one fix. I think the story goes like this:

The earliest 2.0 PD engines such as the BHW had chain driven balancer shafts. They were a complete disaster as you would fully expect - gear teeth stripped, tensioners broken due to torsionals - many engines completely wrecked. These engines were fitted in various Audis and US spec. Passats. A rework kit was available for the poor sods who bought them, at vast cost. VAG seldom paid.

These engines were never fitted to Superbs - the change to the 2.0 PD in this clone was made to coincide with the Euro IV emissions spec. by which time all 2.0 balancers were gear driven.

So, the later 2.0 PDs had gear driven shafts but with a weak hex coupling to the oil pump which was driven from the slave balancer shaft. The pump couplings stripped with rounded corners due to the torsional oscillations in the drive. This caused loss of oil pressure and many wrecked engines. The first 2.0 PD Superbs got these.

My knowledge stops here because when shopping for a Superb, I discounted the DPF engine on other technical grounds before I knew about the crappy oil pump drive. It must be fair to assume though that the later 2.0 PD engines have a modified oil pump drive hex coupling, otherwise they would be unsaleable.

Most of my B5.5 knowledge arises from work personnel bringing Passats into the UK from Germany and I'm unlikely to see many more B5.5s. If I get to see a later 2.0 PD engine in bits, I'll take a careful look at the oil pump coupling and report back. I know what the old one looks like and I'll know if they've changed it.

rotodiesel.

Hi:

Thanks. Very succint post which I think supports my understanding.

I have a late 2009 PD 2.0 in an Octavia (without the DPF - one of the last ones I think) and as far as I can find out it has the same crappy hex drive as the early models. My local VW indy suspects this might be the case but is not certain. As youi say, the later DPF fitted models may have a better drive but I wouldn't bet my house on it. Why VAG cannot seem to fix a problem when it becomes apparant is beyond my comprehension. Being in denial about Teeves 60 failures is just another example that springs to mind.

As you say, let us know if you come across a later PD in bits. I think a lot of us would be interested in some real evidence rather than conjecture!

Thanks again.

Lets hope rotodiesel finds out whats the score in that particular engine before you does.

Hi:

I don't want to start an argument here (lifes too short), but this engine has a known weakness which has manifested itself at only 57K miles on your car. That's no mileage at all on a diesel engine in my book. And you are content to pay a bill of £750 because you were lucky enough to be able to stop quickly enough before your engine was wrecked?

Personally I don't find that acceptable.

hi yeah don't worry about an argument were all here to try and help each other out. but i didn't say i was content to pay that amount just that this is what happened in my situation, and it was cheaper to get it fixed than to chop the car in. and lose even more money as i am happy with the car overall. if i had researched a bit more i would have gone for the 1.9 and definitely not the 2.0 but still the superb as you get a lot of car for the money and i need the size at 6.4" and 17 stone my kids still have plenty of room in the back and i honestly don't know what other car i would get that would give me that much room for the money

Exactly, i agree with the above post....the facelift superb whether its a classic, comfort,elegance,l+k with the 2.0 tdi engine...its just a nice looking motor...when running !! Of course i miss driving it, my wife does too, I'm just hoping that everything will come towards a satisfactory conclusion and the car eventually gets back on the road where it belongs...showing its presence !!