As some of you are aware, that i have had the dreaded oil pump failure, i have decided to wait till funds are available in order to effect the repair. I am assuming that the work wont be done for quite a while, and would like some idea's on what would be the best course of action in preparing the car for a long non running siege ! I am thinking that the car wont be having any work done this side of xmas, and possibly into the new year as well, what with the expense of xmas looming ( groan ).

Does anyone have any good tips out there, minimizing the effects on what the environment does to a car thats at present non running.? cheers andy

Car on axle stands, wheels off the ground, tyres at 2/3 normal pressure. Manually retract pads from disks to avoid moisture corrosion on disk (piston winding tool required for rears). If manual transmission, wedge clutch pedal down. Remove battery, sell it or keep it charged. Check coolant freezing point.

Finally, remove glow plugs (very carefully, they're breakable) and inject 10cc of preserving oil into each cylinder. Bar engine over several turns. Leave plugs out and loosely cover apertures. When the engine is repaired, blow out oil and fit new plugs - essential.

Ensure car doesn't leak rainwater if kept outside, open all doors for a while each week to keep interior ventilated and to stop rubbers sticking. Apply talc to door and boot rubbers.

Generally, laying vehicles up is a bad idea, but I do this sometimes with special purpose vehicles associated with my work.

rotodiesel.

Edited 6 October, 201015 yr by rotodiesel

Roto's list is the same as advice given to the armed forces going overseas.

The only other thing I would do is to inform your insurance company.

You need to get shot of it Andy, it's shedding notes like the rain right now, they don't sell when they are running let alone with a shot engine, go to the garage and ask the mechanic's if any of them want to buy it off you as is, this way he only pays for the parts and not the labour, if you leave it another 12 mths, it's going to cost £1200 - £4000 to put right and be worth £3k tops, bite it this time and put it down to experience.

supurbia its not as simple as that unfortunately......the car looks virtually new, and although i have use of another superb , the mk 2 greenline, i also have a transit size iveco tipper stuck outside my house and its only a matter of time before the neighbours start complaining about squeezing past it , at the moment , to get shot of the superb mk1 and cut my losses is basically a no go, as i want to get it back on the road and leave the truck in the yard and just use the superb to get to work. I also have outstanding finance on the car which my mother in law is paying, and therefore to flog it i would still have to pay and still end up worst off. And she is more than happy to pay the finance.

So in my book it makes sense to get the superb mk 1 repaired, and maybe , just maybe the problem wont appear again for another 40k miles, and since its only a 16mile round trip to work and back home, it will mean i can keep the car for a few more years, and drive it into the ground. But seeing as the car has only 38k miles on the clock and as i mentioned earlier looks almost new, it would be criminal to give it away. Ok the car is loosing money as you say like a quid for every rain drop that falls, but when its up and running, it will be one major problem out of the way regarding the truck parking and the snobby neighbours that live around me. You mentioned in a previous post that the superb actually looks a classic at certain angles, and coupled with the overall condition of the car bodily and interior wise, i feel that it would be madness to let some one else have it cheap....after all, where can you get a superb thats almost new....virtually paid up....and when repaired will present no problems for another few years? The idea of getting a virtually new superb for the cost of the repair, which could be around £1500....in my opinion is cheap compared to shelling out say £16 k for another new superb.

And to be honest, i miss the power and tourque compared to the greenline .....so its got to be done.

Personally if it was my money i would seriously look at dropping a 1.9 PD130 AWX lump in, im sure a whole lump and ecu etc could be found for that sort of money, granted it will have higher mileage - but providing it is serviced correctly it will outlast the rest of the car, which is more than be said for any 140PD fitted to the Superb

I did think about that when i asked if it was possible to swap engines on a previous thread...but if memory serves me correctly, rotodiesel said it wasnt possible, as there were too many factors to consider....and getting back to the original engine in my car, my wife was only doing around 20-25 mph when the oil light came on....and stopped the car imediately, so touch wood, it is possible the engine didnt suffer catastrophic damage, as she still starts up 1st time, but i've only attempted that twice when going through the check list on determing the oil pressure,,,thats when my dad and i confirmed the oil pump failed. So hopefully the expense will be limited to just the oil pump given the low speed the car was doing. When funds are available, i will get my indy to check the turbo, and if he feels it is still serviceable then we'll leave it alone, again if he feels it could do with a reconditioned one then i'll go for that.

Its all very easy to write off a car as a piece of junk, and walk away, but my wife and i paid a lot of money for this car, and the thought of abandoning it or selling it for virtually nothing isnt what we have in mind, and after my fruitless battle with suk, its only made me more determined to get the car back on the road. Tho i havent decided to try watch dog just yet, i'm still pretty miffed about the engine scenario and its questionable longivity issues, but as all superbs suffer from questionable build quality and poor design built into the car itself, there are people who still buy the cars, wether early or later models,,,,its all down to preference, and although i quite like the new superb mk2, i still feel my car is a lot more comfortable than the greenline, and we only have that model for 3yrs before it is given back and another model chosen. And if i do manage to get the car back on the road, id like my wife to revert back to getting her dla benefit back into her account, and have the money she actually needs, rather than give it away for a car thats nice and brand new, when the car she bought is just waiting to be repaired. Another 3 yrs of her benefit money in bank would be put to better use

2.0 engines are like rocking horse droppings anyway, what you need to do is to find out how far the damage has gone, my mate was lucky, he got away with a new drive spindle and a turbo, came to just over £1k at an independant, if this is all you need then fixing it is an option, however if it's done cams and shells in it's going to cost as much as it's worth, look at the hassle Giz is having shifting his on, and my old one is still up for sale 6 mths on with a dealer, but one thing is sure, it's value will slump daily at an alarming rate.

You say it's still on finance, have you told them, usually they will assist in the rejection process as not fit for purpose, they have to assist because the terms are they aren't allowed to lend on sub standard goods, it might take 6 mths to come to court, but at least the deal will be cancelled and you'll owe no more, you really need to think long and hard about this Andy, you look out of the window and you see a shinny car, what it infact is right now is a lump of rusting steel, unless you have a plan to own it another 6 years you must get it gone or back running asap.

Watchdog won't help, and they are as memorable as yesterday's dinner anyway, see it this way, if you have to spend 3k getting it running and it's only worth 5k, selling it for £2k and not spending the £3k = a £5k private sale, and it will happen again I'm afraid, so you could be back to square one all over again, it's a harsh lump of **** engine imo, I have the VW one in my Passat, the 1.9 was way better and a lot smoother imo, and I won't be buying anymore VAG car's myself after this one, I think you were too nice myself when you ordered the new one, I would've simply cancelled that order and gone somewhere else and let them think about the repeat customer they just lost.

Edited 9 October, 201015 yr by Supurbia

I sometimes wished now that we did keep our l+k octavia estate, but the reason we got rid of it was that while on holiday in france we went to see the milau viaduct, and travelling through the mountainous regions getting to the bridge we encountered road works, and basically it was a section of tarmac that had been dug out, but no ramp was provided and here we was doing around 40mph , and although it wasnt too bad going down into the gouged out tarmac, coming back over onto the existing road was another matter. The car basically went over a 6inch edge of tarmac and the sound of the car was gut wrenching.....and i instantly knew that we had suspension damage...and although the car was still driveable, it wasnt till we got home and inspected the damage that it soon became apparent.....thats why we p/x it for the superb, before the mot was due on the old l+k estate.

But at the end of the day, i was just unlucky with the superb, everyone shells out money on cars, and every car has problems, the fun i used to have changing the camshaft on a 2.0ltr ford pinto engine just to cure the knocking from the cam bearings, and the money one spent on cars and gadjets just to make it look different doesnt bear thinking about. Young and foolish i guess....and even today you see cars being tarted up and re-worked only to eventually cost the owner possibly more than what i'm contemplating shelling out on the superb. So its all swings and roundabouts isnt it at the end of the day, i was just unlucky, you see superb 2.0 tdi on ebay and some of those have done around 100k miles, whether they had oil pump problems remain to be seen, but the car is capable of high mileage, it was just unfortunate that it happened at a low mileage. And the chances of it happening again, is debateable, given the even lower mileage it will be doing when i get the work done, as its only 16 miles return from our yard, so when the work is done, i'm kinda hoping it will be trouble free for a few years....except of the usual other senario's the superb suffers from, but that 's in the pipeline for me to worry about later on.At least the car will be looking brand spanking new, and not many of them about in that condition.

I sometimes wished now that we did keep our l+k octavia estate, but the reason we got rid of it was that while on holiday in france we went to see the milau viaduct, and travelling through the mountainous regions getting to the bridge we encountered road works, and basically it was a section of tarmac that had been dug out, but no ramp was provided and here we was doing around 40mph , and although it wasnt too bad going down into the gouged out tarmac, coming back over onto the existing road was another matter. The car basically went over a 6inch edge of tarmac and the sound of the car was gut wrenching.....and i instantly knew that we had suspension damage...and although the car was still driveable, it wasnt till we got home and inspected the damage that it soon became apparent.....thats why we p/x it for the superb, before the mot was due on the old l+k estate.

But at the end of the day, i was just unlucky with the superb, everyone shells out money on cars, and every car has problems, the fun i used to have changing the camshaft on a 2.0ltr ford pinto engine just to cure the knocking from the cam bearings, and the money one spent on cars and gadjets just to make it look different doesnt bear thinking about. Young and foolish i guess....and even today you see cars being tarted up and re-worked only to eventually cost the owner possibly more than what i'm contemplating shelling out on the superb. So its all swings and roundabouts isnt it at the end of the day, i was just unlucky, you see superb 2.0 tdi on ebay and some of those have done around 100k miles, whether they had oil pump problems remain to be seen, but the car is capable of high mileage, it was just unfortunate that it happened at a low mileage. And the chances of it happening again, is debateable, given the even lower mileage it will be doing when i get the work done, as its only 16 miles return from our yard, so when the work is done, i'm kinda hoping it will be trouble free for a few years....except of the usual other senario's the superb suffers from, but that 's in the pipeline for me to worry about later on.At least the car will be looking brand spanking new, and not many of them about in that condition.

If you are going to sit her up all winter, get a cover to keep the leaves and muck out of the battery bay.

p.s, you weren't unlucky, the engine design is an epic fail, and it will go again Andy, trust me, there are absolute scores of 05-56 B6 Passat's that have suffered it.

Edited 10 October, 201015 yr by Supurbia

Well supurbia, out of interest regarding the impending expense of getting the car back on the road, and the main part being the oil pump, do you or anyone else know if the actual new oil pump supplied by TPS has been modified in order not to fail again? .To me it would be ridiculous to make the oil pump and not even improve the reliablity of it. As for the turbo charger, i have read on previous threads that one can actually purchase a reconditioned one.

And does anyone out there know if there are other motor factors who could also supply the parts required at a much reduced cost? Any help would be much appreciated

Well supurbia, out of interest regarding the impending expense of getting the car back on the road, and the main part being the oil pump, do you or anyone else know if the actual new oil pump supplied by TPS has been modified in order not to fail again? .To me it would be ridiculous to make the oil pump and not even improve the reliablity of it. As for the turbo charger, i have read on previous threads that one can actually purchase a reconditioned one.

And does anyone out there know if there are other motor factors who could also supply the parts required at a much reduced cost? Any help would be much appreciated

It's not usually the oil pump itself that has failed. In my experience the pumps are OK. It is usually the drive shaft that get rounded off. It's like a 75mm piece of a 6mm Allen key driven at it's point by grooves in the balancer shaft.

Take a look at http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/174537-superb-oil-pump-problem/page__p__2109345__fromsearch__1entry2109345

I am currently chasing VAG to see if a replacement balancer module is available which fixes the problem (see post #19 in above thread) but I am getting the run-around at the moment.

Let me know how you fare with vag and the balance shaft module...and of course prices if you get any luck. kind regards....andy

Well supurbia, out of interest regarding the impending expense of getting the car back on the road, and the main part being the oil pump, do you or anyone else know if the actual new oil pump supplied by TPS has been modified in order not to fail again? .To me it would be ridiculous to make the oil pump and not even improve the reliablity of it. As for the turbo charger, i have read on previous threads that one can actually purchase a reconditioned one.

And does anyone out there know if there are other motor factors who could also supply the parts required at a much reduced cost? Any help would be much appreciated

I don't think they have, it's simply the old pump with a new spline inside it, as for recon turbo's I think you will still stare the thick end of things, the guy I knew got one direct from Garrett, and he said this was the cheapest option.

So basically its using the existing pump and re-fitting a new drive to it? I'm guessing the splined drive isnt going to cost too much...and as for the turbo charger, i have seen quotes of around £300 quid....if thats the case, then effectively its a cheap repair, assuming everything else is ok. Got me thinking now !!

So basically its using the existing pump and re-fitting a new drive to it? I'm guessing the splined drive isnt going to cost too much...and as for the turbo charger, i have seen quotes of around £300 quid....if thats the case, then effectively its a cheap repair, assuming everything else is ok. Got me thinking now !!

The spline is literally under a tenner, if you can get a turbo for £300 that is even better, thing to do is get the oil pump sorted first, and see if the turbo is actually shot before spending out.

I think you'll find when you get it apart that it's the hole in the end of the balance shaft which is stripped. The oil pump rotors are not made by VAG and have an accurate hex bore - which is usually undamaged.

rotodiesel.

I think you'll find when you get it apart that it's the hole in the end of the balance shaft which is stripped. The oil pump rotors are not made by VAG and have an accurate hex bore - which is usually undamaged.

rotodiesel.

The guy I know said it was the drive spline that rounded off on his, not saying you aren't right Roto, but perhaps it can go either way.

As it's the balance shaft which does the driving and the oil pump rotor is driven we're probably both right.

rotodiesel.

As it's the balance shaft which does the driving and the oil pump rotor is driven we're probably both right.

rotodiesel.

It's not often "WE'RE" wrong is it

It would be interesting to gauge an idea on actually how many people actually re-used their existing oil pump and just replaced the spline drive...As for the part being around a tenner as supurbia mentioned, it makes sense to replace it and check out the pump and then see how the health of the turbo charger is....or go the expensive option and replace pump with new and recon turbo, but it would be nice to get the black beast back on the tarmac , sooner rather than later.