Don't shoot me down here as i know it's illegal but that's my choice.

Questions i have..

Anyone run it for a long period of time on the pd engine.

Any problems if so

Any difference in performance and running

Thanks

lew0

Few customers do and i havent seen any problems id directly attribute to it, but its not as refined (run some through your fingers) its not just dye, jus dont run biodiesel i get sick of clearing/replacing diesel filters!

Few customers do and i havent seen any problems id directly attribute to it, but its not as refined (run some through your fingers) its not just dye, jus dont run biodiesel i get sick of clearing/replacing diesel filters!

see all the other research i have done says its just normal diesel with dye, thats what stumps me too.

Thanks for your reply

It is just normal diesel with red dye.

i dont think the issue is using it, the biggest problem will come if you get caught. HMRC could fine you many 000's of pounds if they are either tipped off or you are stopped in a random spot check and your tank dipped. Once in the system, there will always be a trace and you will have to replace the whole fuel system to remove any signs of it use.

its supposed to be the same but with red dye added, but some have reported it to be less refined and block injectors. The PD engine is very fussy about fuel as the pressures the system runs at is far greater and lubrication is key. Without the correct additives your PD pump, and injectors will fail quickly costing a lot more to fix than you save using red diesel. I believe a CR engine is less fussy, but the Fabia vRS uses a PD engine.

modern tractor engines have to run to the same spec as car/truck engines so I would say it's the same diesel with dye added.....unless there is a higher grade available for new tractors I don't know about

These are the penalties for using red diesel.

civil penalties under Section 9 of the Finance Act 1994 or an Excise wrongdoing penalty under Schedule 41 of Finance Act 2008.

your vehicle (or engine) being seized and forfeited.

if your conduct involves dishonesty, a penalty of up to 100% of the duty evaded may be imposed.

Its also worth pointing out that red diesel does not just contain dye, but also a hidden chemical marker that can be detected by swabbing.

Red diesel is currently 75P a litre and rising sharply due to the cold snap.

Those who say its just normal diesel do you have evidence to back it up? as weve always found it to be more 'greasy' and when i did research into it it was said to not have as many additives in it

Red Diesel and DERV can be the same, but most of the time it isn't. The main difference is the chemical pack that is added to base diesel. Red diesel has a much lower cetane rating.

see http://www.deere.co.uk/en_GB/info_fun/press_room/press_room/2008/aug/fuel-conditioner.html

HMRC can and will also assume that you have run the vehicle on red for the whole of the time you have owned the car - you will be liable for the duty since you bought the car, the onus will be on the owner to prove that duty paid fuel has been used in the vehicle.

As has been said above there are also chemical markers in the fuel (so even if you try to 'bleach' the dye out it will still be traceable) once red has been in the tank or system then it will always be able to be spotted.

Would you turn a blind eye to someone driving off without paying for there fuel? most others would not think twice about shopping someone running a car on red.

I can't believe people have been replying to this post! The OP sounds like a troll to me...

Anyone that starts a sentence with "i know it's illegal but that's my choice" needs to be locked up IMO! If you have a genuine reason to use it, then do so within the confines of the law.

Otherwise just pay fuel duty on proper diesel like everyone else and stop being pikey scum! People like you are the cause of tax hikes to the tax payer and service cuts because money is spent prosecuting law dodgers and tax evaders. I've a good mind to trace your IP address and report you to the authorities myself...

I know plenty of people who do it but it's something I would NEVER do nor condone.

For one you have to be careful it is actually red diesel and not parrafin or something else. This happened to a mate of mine in his 206. It decided to disintegrate his fuel pump. Injectors and fuel pumps on PD engines aren't exactly cheap! I always live by the saying "you buy cheap you may twice". You buy cheap derv now that isn't quite right then before you know it it's broken something expensive and you're left with a car that can't get you anywhere.

Personally if you are not prepared to pay for proper fuel for it you shouldn't be driving the car. We all have to pay it. I wouldn't buy a car that had to run on super unleaded unless I could afford to pay for it. Red diesel really angers me because I told said mate about this and he didn't take a blind bit of notice. He ended up having to sell his car for scrap money.

from what i believe, farmers are allowed to use it in there vehicles off road. But then if the farmer put in normal diesel to run into town, and he got stopped, what could be the outcome.

The comment from skodafabiaowner is a bit blunt. How do you know that the OP does not own a race track, and just wants to use it on private land where it is not breaking the law.

I wish people would get ther facts straight before they start shouting there mouths off.

The comment from skodafabiaowner is a bit blunt. How do you know that the OP does not own a race track, and just wants to use it on private land where it is not breaking the law.

I wish people would get ther facts straight before they start shouting there mouths off.

Probably because the OP said:

Don't shoot me down here as i know it's illegal but that's my choice.

So he is therefore intending to use it where he would be breaking the law. Please read the WHOLE thread before commenting

from what i believe, farmers are allowed to use it in there vehicles off road. But then if the farmer put in normal diesel to run into town, and he got stopped, what could be the outcome.

The comment from skodafabiaowner is a bit blunt. How do you know that the OP does not own a race track, and just wants to use it on private land where it is not breaking the law.

I wish people would get ther facts straight before they start shouting there mouths off.

Because the OP wrote "i know it's illegal but that's my choice". If the OP was using red diesel for a legitimate use then it would not be illegal, what part of that is so hard to understand? I also stated "If you have a genuine reason to use it, then do so within the confines of the law", use in agriculture for example would be perfectly acceptable, as well as any other use as defined by law.

Red diesel is effectively tax relief for the agricultural sector which isn't particularly profitable and they wouldn't survive without assistance, to abuse this system and knowingly want to break the law makes one no better than any other criminal and it's a selfish act that puts the red diesel system at risk from those who need it most.

I wish people would read all the facts before commenting and not be so quick to split hairs with other contributors.

The dye will eventually block your injectors and coat your pipes!! First signs will be engine stuttering then eventually cutting out!!

Seen this problem a few times with friends using it constantly but their doing about 400 miles a week and living on a farm.

In the end it cost more to fix than what they saved in using red/cherry.

It's just dye but it's thick and will build and build and through tiny car injectors it will clog.

Probably because the OP said:

So he is therefore intending to use it where he would be breaking the law. Please read the WHOLE thread before commenting

I did read the whole thread, and if you saw my comment directly above the one you quoted, which asked how farmers go on.

Maybe the OP was refering to using red diesel on the road, if he had put some normal diesel in aswell.

People on here are so bitchy, I cant see why, when someone asks a question, weather it is about breaking the law or to a serious matter, which may affect them. People have to come into there thread and have a go. When it has nothing to do with them.

IF YOU CAN NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT THE OP HAS RAISED, THERE IS NO NEED FOR YOU TO PUT A COMMENT ON.

This is in the rules of the forum, and I just wish some people would read them, and leave the plain stupid comments for another time and place.

I am sorry to hi-jack your thread, but I think ADMIN need to read this and act on the matter.

Briskoda has gone downhill since I first joined many years ago. And I wish it was back how it was, where people would help someone out with a question, not find fault.

Rant Over!

Just to answer the original question in the beginning:

If your doing hundreds of miles a week - YES it will ruin engine performance.

You could put diesel treatment in every fill up but that costs a bit to. Unless your running red/cherry for free shouldn't be a problem.

No I don't run red/cherry in my car if your wondering.

Edited 5 January, 201115 yr by Fabla

Thanks for the replies that directly answered my questions

As for the goon who wanted my IP addy, pm me an i will send it you FOC

I can't believe people have been replying to this post! The OP sounds like a troll to me...

Anyone that starts a sentence with "i know it's illegal but that's my choice" needs to be locked up IMO! If you have a genuine reason to use it, then do so within the confines of the law.

Otherwise just pay fuel duty on proper diesel like everyone else and stop being pikey scum! People like you are the cause of tax hikes to the tax payer and service cuts because money is spent prosecuting law dodgers and tax evaders. I've a good mind to trace your IP address and report you to the authorities myself...

I'm such pikey scum, but yet have paid membership here towards the running of the site you use

I'm such pikey scum, but yet have paid membership here towards the running of the site you use

Where is the like button?????????????

A slighlty mis-judged post on a open forum maybe .......who knows lol

I'll close this before anymore harm is done