Having now read through all the other threads on here I am less optimistic of getting much joy from Skoda UK. Also, as I bought the car from a non franchised non Skoda dealer (Proton dealer who's salesman was ex VAG and got some stock from them) It looks like the SCC threat would have to be aimed at them as well and not my local (very helpful) Skoda dealer.

My back is against the wall as well as it has failed it's MOT so cannot legally be driven until fixed/retested.

AAArrrggghhhh!!!!!!!!

Just rang another local VAG specialist I heard about. They have not heard of repair kits iether but are willing to 'have a go' at fitting it should I get one. Couldn't quote me for work though as he said not heard of them so unknown costs there!

BMW specialist said done loads of new TEVESmk60 UNITS ON 1 SERIES AND 3 SERIES. Said BMW do repair kit now (has to be same kit surely??) and were replacing old units foc for most failures out of warranty. They cannot do job though as they don't have the vcds. Really struggling here. Hopefully Skoda will come up trumps as a new unit will last me till car change time and all the other options are time sonsuming and still quite costly (or with repair kit, unknown costs from garage)

Edited 7 January, 201115 yr by xyster

You're a star. Many thanks. Am waiting to see what Skoda will pay towards new unit but might ring dealer and ask the cost if doing the above if I supply the kit. That is IF they will touch it?

Hauptman - Sorry to be a pain but can you post an actual link to a site that sells the repair kits as I have googled the description/part number and cannot see a shop. Many forums but no shop, although as I can't speak German there may be one that I am missing.

I think that's the ECU number you are quoting there. The pump/block number that goes with that should be 1K0 614 517 AE. So yes, this kit should do the job for you.

Ah ok I got the number from a scan I did with VAG COM,thanks for that nugget of information.

Trev

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Pictures taken from German forum (not mine).

Top picture shows ABS/ESP unit. Black cylindrincal object is the motor. Silver block is the electrohydraulic valve block (which contains the G201 pressure sensor, and is the bit to be replaced. Black part at the bottom is the ECU and incorporates the lower portion of the valve block.

Middle image shows the label of the repair kit box.

Lower image shows the underside of the new hydraulic valve block. You can see the two holes in it where the new bolts pass through and sandwich it between the motor and the ECU assy.

As regards obtaining the unit - there is no 'shop' as such, although I have seen these on German Ebay (usually being sold at about 30% above the dealer price). You could contact a VW dealer in Germany and get them to ship one over via DHL or some such company. Strange you cannot buy them in the UK because they seem to be in stock at VAG parts factors in the USA! See this link:

http://www.worldimpex.com/parts/genuine-part-repair-kit_2693105.html

Also in stock at an Audi dealer in Waterford, Ireland, at Euro158 inc. VAT

http://www.d2dgateway.ie/categories/audi-parts/page/160.html

Presumably VAG UK is having the British buyers for mugs yet again.

Here are the contact details for that one at the dealer in Ireland. Perhaps you could get them to ship it over?

Seller: Tom Murphy Car Sales

Contact Name: Lisa Borla

Email: [email protected]

Address: Cork Rd

Town/City: Waterford

County: Waterford

Phone: 051 301 222

Qty: 1

RRP Ex VAT: €158.97

Discounted Ex VAT: €143.07

Edited 7 January, 201115 yr by Hauptmann

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Pictures taken from German forum (not mine).

Top picture shows ABS/ESP unit. Black cylindrincal object is the motor. Silver block is the electrohydraulic valve block (which contains the G201 pressure sensor, and is the bit to be replaced. Black part at the bottom is the ECU and incorporates the lower portion of the valve block.

Middle image shows the label of the repair kit box.

Lower image shows the underside of the new hydraulic valve block. You can see the two holes in it where the new bolts pass through and sandwich it between the motor and the ECU assy.

As regards obtaining the unit - there is no 'shop' as such, although I have seen these on German Ebay (usually being sold at about 30% above the dealer price). You could contact a VW dealer in Germany and get them to ship one over via DHL or some such company. Strange you cannot buy them in the UK because they seem to be in stock at VAG parts factors in the USA! See this link:

http://www.worldimpex.com/parts/genuine-part-repair-kit_2693105.html

Also in stock at an Audi dealer in Waterford, Ireland, at Euro158 inc. VAT

http://www.d2dgateway.ie/categories/audi-parts/page/160.html

Presumably VAG UK is having the British buyers for mugs yet again.

Here are the contact details for that one at the dealer in Ireland. Perhaps you could get them to ship it over?

Seller: Tom Murphy Car Sales

Contact Name: Lisa Borla

Email: [email protected]

Address: Cork Rd

Town/City: Waterford

County: Waterford

Phone: 051 301 222

Qty: 1

RRP Ex VAT: €158.97

Discounted Ex VAT: €143.07

Cheers for that. I rang Skoda back this afternoon and told them that when they speak to Skoda UK about a contribution that I have done my research and have proof of the fact that this is not an isolated failure. I also gave him the repair kit part number and price for the UK which was posted on here and told him to ask them about it. He rang back (he rang my home number but I was at work) and said that they couldn't get the part and also that I need to take the car in again for them to do a diagnostic check as they haven't put it through the system and only have a written sheet. That was the message. They have not charged me for a diag but have obviously done it as I saw the PRINTED sheet with the fault codes and diagnosis mentioning the G201 pressure sensor etc. Not sure what they are upto but fear a £80 diagnostic bill on top of everything else now.

I will try the Irish dealer on Monday. Cheers for that.

Presumably VAG UK is having the British buyers for mugs yet again.

Unless its something to do with LHD and RHD applications?

Unless its something to do with LHD and RHD applications?

Ireland is also RHD...

Suspect it is more to do with VAG having a load of the old units in stock (£££'s) and needing to shift them.

Edited 7 January, 201115 yr by Hauptmann

True, unless the Irish dealer is sourcing from elsewhere but even so yeah cars are RHD anyhow.

Tech1e - Was it you who posted the UK part number and list price for the soon to arrive 'repair kit'? I have deffo seen it on here but could not find it when looking last night. I quoted it to dealer who asked and was told it not available. Surprise, surprise.

i work for skoda, the part isnt available for us to order, more than likely because they still have tons of abs units left and want to get rid of the majority first. most independants wont know about this repair kit as it isnt common knowledge i first posted about them a few weeks ago. just looking now there are 2000 in stock in the uk but they cant be ordered down the usual channels it tells me to ring tecnical and order with specific vehicle details so it may be the case that these may now be available but have to be ordered via tecnical

the repair kit isnt available for us to order yet, VAG dont want to get stuck with the 500 odd units they still have in stock

i work for skoda, the part isnt available for us to order, more than likely because they still have tons of abs units left and want to get rid of the majority first. most independants wont know about this repair kit as it isnt common knowledge i first posted about them a few weeks ago. just looking now there are 2000 in stock in the uk but they cant be ordered down the usual channels it tells me to ring tecnical and order with specific vehicle details so it may be the case that these may now be available but have to be ordered via tecnical

Thanks for that Bond007. I will be sure to mention this to my dealer on Monday. I have emailed the dealer in Ireland about possibly getting the repair kit from them. If Skoda would be willing to supply the repair kit on a goodwill basis instead of the full unit then that would be a result! I will certainly press for that conclusion.

Cheers for that. I rang Skoda back this afternoon and told them that when they speak to Skoda UK about a contribution that I have done my research and have proof of the fact that this is not an isolated failure. I also gave him the repair kit part number and price for the UK which was posted on here and told him to ask them about it. He rang back (he rang my home number but I was at work) and said that they couldn't get the part and also that I need to take the car in again for them to do a diagnostic check as they haven't put it through the system and only have a written sheet. That was the message. They have not charged me for a diag but have obviously done it as I saw the PRINTED sheet with the fault codes and diagnosis mentioning the G201 pressure sensor etc. Not sure what they are upto but fear a £80 diagnostic bill on top of everything else now.

I will try the Irish dealer on Monday. Cheers for that.

Our Octavia Vrs mark 2 has just come up with this very problem - £70 just for the diagnostic.

The Skoda dealer is quoting £1500 for a new ABS control unit, take it or leave it, with the salesman's "fear close" of we must do it, or risk brake failure/instant death.

I have attempted to contact Skoda, no luck so far.

I don't want to pay all that for a unit that was known to be faulty. Does anyone know what the "correct" price might be, or what criteria Skoda may use in deciding whether to pay some/all of it for "goodwill"?

We have had the car since new, fully serviced, it's had the best care possible! (As has the mark 1 which is still going well)

Thanks, and good luck with yours.

Updated 28/01/2011 - An update on our ABS control unit story - Skoda have contributed £470 "goodwill", and we have had excellent communication and service. Very pleased. Thanks to all on this forum who helped us.

Edited 28 January, 201115 yr by essexblonde

The fault with the Teves ABS unit is now well documented and recognised as a design fault in this unit affecting VW group cars and some BMW models.... so this is a known fault with part of the braking system.... why is it not being dealt with as a free of charge re-call ? Seems to be especially designed to annoy since it is quite expensive to correct and seems to occur after about 4 years... just when your warranty has expired... and I read somehwere that this unit was still fitted long after the design fault became apparent, so now I have to ask my piggy bank to save up for the cambelt and water pump at about four years and the ABS unit at about the same time... oh and the tyres which are sawtoothing nicely should come along just before Xmas if sod's law really gets into its stride I do still love my car though... really........

According to information I read posted on a German forum, the company that made the unit in question (Continental-Teves) is having to supply the repair kits to VAG at a heavily discounted price on account of the inherent defect in the original units. Apparently the sensor in the repair kit is modified. I find this believable because, quite frankly, £127+VAT is peanuts for a new electrohydraulic valve block with sensor etc.. I think that, in itself, shows liability.

Edited 9 January, 201115 yr by Hauptmann

According to information I read posted on a German forum, the company that made the unit in question (Continental-Teves) is having to supply the repair kits to VAG at a heavily discounted price on account of the inherent defect in the original units. Apparently the sensor in the repair kit is modified. I find this believable because, quite frankly, £127+VAT is peanuts for a new electrohydraulic valve block with sensor etc.. I think that, in itself, shows liability.

could well be!! but having seen a block of steel (at Danfoss if I remember right) go into a machine at one end and comeout at the other as a refrigeration pump the main cost is prob'ly the alumiium

could well be!! but having seen a block of steel (at Danfoss if I remember right) go into a machine at one end and comeout at the other as a refrigeration pump the main cost is prob'ly the alumiium

Trust me, these things are expensive to manufacture. The ABS/ESP is made to aerospace standards and tolerances (or should be...). Take a look at the picture I posted earlier in this thread showing the valve block. £127+VAT is a low price for that item.

This issue was always a worry for me when I had the vRS, but no more

with the salesman's "fear close" of we must do it, or risk brake failure/instant death.

What absolute rubbish. The brakes will still work, just in non-ABS mode. Funnily enough, my first car didn't have ABS and yet I didn't suffer brake failure and die! If you're getting nowhere, getting this lot to sort the unit with the help of an independent garage would still be cheaper I think, even if you had to hire a car to cover the time the unit was away at the menders...

http://www.ecutesting.com/vw_golf_touran_abs_pump_module.html

What absolute rubbish. The brakes will still work, just in non-ABS mode. Funnily enough, my first car didn't have ABS and yet I didn't suffer brake failure and die! If you're getting nowhere, getting this lot to sort the unit with the help of an independent garage would still be cheaper I think, even if you had to hire a car to cover the time the unit was away at the menders...

http://www.ecutesting.com/vw_golf_touran_abs_pump_module.html

Yes - I found it ironic that they used the fear close! I was a trained salesperson myself!

The site you recommend looks very interesting. We are going to defer the garage appointment and will probably contact them. I also want to know what Skoda have to say, as it's a known fault!

So I shouldn't be exactly surprised if this happens on my 2008 Vrs but can anyone say if this failure is certain to happen or is it just something that is more than a slight possibility on some of these units. Since a dealer repair would involve fitting a replacement with the same known fault I guess it is better to leave it until the ESP light indicates the problem has occured, in the hope that as I have only 18000 miles on the clock it might be some time yet, and get a repair or replacement when they have used up all the faulty stock of spares....

The coverage by Honest John regarding buying second-hand cars with Teves Mk60 ABS pumps suggests that it's pretty much a question of 'when' (around four years regardless of mileage, apparently) and not 'if'.

Certainly the comments about VAG wanting to use up stocks of ATE-made replacements (which have the same flaw) are troubling, and HJ recommends not accepting this option as an owner, and putting the money aside to get the ECU Testing mod done as a buyer...

What absolute rubbish. The brakes will still work, just in non-ABS mode. Funnily enough, my first car didn't have ABS and yet I didn't suffer brake failure and die! If you're getting nowhere, getting this lot to sort the unit with the help of an independent garage would still be cheaper I think, even if you had to hire a car to cover the time the unit was away at the menders...

http://www.ecutesting.com/vw_golf_touran_abs_pump_module.html

Sorry, I was under the impression that the ABS would still work, but not the ESP (from reading a number of other related threads), is that not the case?

So essentially, it's perfectly safe still to drive, as long as you're not booting it everywhere.