Hi all,

After my Felicia let me down before christmas "brakes binding" I decided to spend some ££ on getting the Felicia back to 100% reliability.

While doing the servicing i retightened the head bolts as there was a slight oil leak fromthe front of the engine, i managed to tighen all the bolts except one (I broke it - I know I dont feel very clever)

Now that means I have to take off the head - drill out the stud and relpace gasket and bolts.

Not having done a gasket on a felicai - is there anything to watch out for?

I was thinking as I would have the cam chain off im as well to put a new one on.

I would apprichiate some advice and head's up.

Thanks.

Edited 17 January, 201115 yr by brian1.9diesel

Slightly confused by the mention of cam chains - if it is a chain (Skoda engine), then it's nowhere near the head, but if you mean a belt (VW engine) then yes, it's probably worth renewing the whole kit (belt + tensioner) for peace of mind unless you know for sure what mileage it's covered.

first off, you can't undo what you've already done, but there's no need to ever re-torque head bolts on a vw engine, sadly if it's leaking it's tough luck..

ok first thing i would do is asses how badly the bolt is snapped off, is it flush with the engine block?

it might work out easier and cheaper to chuck a second hand engine in there tbh.

Slightly confused by the mention of cam chains - if it is a chain (Skoda engine), then it's nowhere near the head, but if you mean a belt (VW engine) then yes, it's probably worth renewing the whole kit (belt + tensioner) for peace of mind unless you know for sure what mileage it's covered.

Mine is a 1.3 mpi - here is my inexperience showing - i thought the cam chain was connected in some way, but its not. the milage is 103000 and sounds a but rattley - so prob best to change?

will work out cheaper to chuck a replacement lump in imo

will work out cheaper to chuck a replacement lump in imo

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-SKODA-FELICIA-ENGINE-136MPI-/230403834102?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item35a52380f6

or

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Skoda-Felicia-1998-1-3-MPI-Breaking-ENGINE-low-miles-/230569740395?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item35af07086b

I can get a head gasket for £6 and bolts for £1 - 1:50, exhaust gasket each and i can do tge work myself.

Edited 16 January, 201115 yr by brian1.9diesel

you actually managed to break one off?

simple engine to remive the head off very similar to an old mini. depending how far down the bolt has snapped could be the biggest problem as the thread in the block does not even start for 30mm from the top of the hole so if its snapped at the top of the thread it will be below the level of the block.

which bolt was it as they are different lengths too

apologies, i assumed it was a vw diesel lump

you actually managed to break one off?

simple engine to remive the head off very similar to an old mini. depending how far down the bolt has snapped could be the biggest problem as the thread in the block does not even start for 30mm from the top of the hole so if its snapped at the top of the thread it will be below the level of the block.

which bolt was it as they are different lengths too

Im not sure the lenth of the bolts.............what are the lenth for a 1.3 mpi?

I think i broke it level with the block, so will have to drill it out!

Edited 16 January, 201115 yr by brian1.9diesel

if you've got a dremel multi tool, try grinding a slot into the top of the bolt then use a screwdriver to wind it out

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-SKODA-FELICIA-ENGINE-136MPI-/230403834102?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item35a52380f6

or

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Skoda-Felicia-1998-1-3-MPI-Breaking-ENGINE-low-miles-/230569740395?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item35af07086b

I can get a head gasket for £6 and bolts for £1 - 1:50, exhaust gasket each and i can do tge work myself.

sorry (without openly advertising here) when i have them in i sell them for £60

Im not sure the lenth of the bolts.............what are the lenth for a 1.3 mpi?

I think i broke it level with the block, so will have to drill it out!

What is the torque setting for the holding down bolts.. im going to try and change the gasket on Saturday.

The tightening sequence goes thus:

10   6    2    3    7

9    5    1    4   8
 13   11   12   14

For the bolts, stage 1 is 17-20Nm, stage 2 90^o, stage 3 90^o.

The 4 nuts (11-14) depend on whether they're self-locking ones (24Nm) or not (26Nm)

Loosening sequence is the reverse of above.

If it does seem to have had a leak in the gasket, you'll probably want to check the cylinder liner protrusion is OK while the head's off.

The tightening sequence goes thus:

10   6    2    3    7

9    5    1    4   8
 13   11   12   14

For the bolts, stage 1 is 17-20Nm, stage 2 90^o, stage 3 90^o.

The 4 nuts (11-14) depend on whether they're self-locking ones (24Nm) or not (26Nm)

Loosening sequence is the reverse of above.

If it does seem to have had a leak in the gasket, you'll probably want to check the cylinder liner protrusion is OK while the head's off.

Thanks that is a great help! I managed to break off no.2.

Can i reuse the nuts again (thought there wer only bolts)

Thanks again for the info.

Nuts are reusable. Indeed as are the bolts, they're not stretch ones on the 1.3 petrol engine. Confusing username, by the way!

Nuts are reusable. Indeed as are the bolts, they're not stretch ones on the 1.3 petrol engine. Confusing username, by the way!

I used to own a diesel felicia a few years ago.

Bolts......hmmmmm........after breaking one Id never reuse them (personal choice but sure you could)

thanks.

I went into my local Skoda dealership to get a quote for replacement head bolts and I was stunned with price of the bolts - £60!!!!!

I was expecting them to be alot cheaper than that!...........

Has anyone sourced them cheaper and or have the Skoda part number for them.

jorily got some on thier website for £25

jorily got some on thier website for £25

Wow....never seen a bolt set like that before (different sizes) but a nice price drop on the dealer!

The link below is the set for a 1998 1.3 mpi?

http://www.jorily.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=131_4_32&products_id=331

don't know. best off asking darren or jimbo, they are more clued up on the 1300 skoda engines

Wow....never seen a bolt set like that before (different sizes) but a nice price drop on the dealer!

The link below is the set for a 1998 1.3 mpi?

http://www.jorily.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=131_4_32&products_id=331

link wont open for me just says server fault. the mpi 1.3 is the only engine in the felly range that uses 10mm cap head bolts the other engines use 12 point bolts so if the pic shows an allen key type 6 sided bolt then it will be it.

3 different lengths short one goes above the waterpump, the 2 long ones go on either end of the rocker shaft with no washers

reused them up to 4 times before and never snapped one but have seen the head break open on a few when removing

Those are the right ones for the 1300 Skoda engine, Brian.

As Jim says above, you can reuse them - one of my engines I think I reused the same set 5 times, without issues, the only problems as above I've had is making a mess of the heads when removing bolts (which had corroded in place, and didn't crack off too easily). Other than that, no problems...