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Felicia Fun with dodgy 1.6 engine....best engine swap ?

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Hi everyone, I'm a new boy in town and in your forum, but hopefully I will fit in and make myself at home. I have a few V.A.G. cars...too many to be honest, well, according to my mom, wife and female friends and cousins. I don't think women like my cars !.....lol

Anyway, I digressed . I currently own an S reg Felicia Fun pickup....a 1.6 petrol engine, that according to the seller....is running rough and lumpy. Not sure if it was worth the price, so let me know what you think. This is the E-bay listing link

http://cgi.ebay.co.u...IT#ht_674wt_932

I actually have a P reg VW Golf 1.4 with 120K on the clock. I was thinking of swapping the Skoda 1.6 engine for the Golf 1.4 engine.....why ?....well two reasons.....firstly...1.4 is cheaper for tax and I already have the car, that was an MOT failure and was bought for the spares that I could use off it.secondly,I am assuming that it will cost about £400 to about £600 to try to fix it....I don't have the skills to do it and to be honest, don't have a clue about what is really wrong with it...hopefully, some of your smart and good looking members can educate me or throw some opinions my way. I was also considering using a 1.9 TDi engine from a MK3 Golf.

My questions are...if I did use the Golf 1.4 engine....is it a straight swap ...would the engine mounts and gear linkage line up, also would I need to use the Golf ECU,loom, clocks and immobiliser/ transponder ring that goes around the ignition barrell....( thinking that it might be one of those fancy fly by wife....sorry, wire....chipped key, immobiliser /starship/ futuristic technology !)

I am OPEN to ALL views, comments, opinions, suggestions.( except giving away the pickup !).....so fire away and I will be sitting my by computer for the next week ,without even sleeping....just so I don't miss a post !

Thanks for reading this and putting up with me so far !

your smart and good looking members

ah yes, must be talking about me there :giggle:

swapping the engine for a different type or capacity is right royal pain up the arse, mechanically it's easy, but the DVLA have striven to make it as awkward and as expensive as possible to get registered and properly sorted on the paperwork side of things. besides once it's registered the road tax on a 1.4 is the same as a 1.6 anyway iirc

personally i would stay away from the mk3 golf variants of the engines, they use some 'old stock' parts which are sometimes not compatible fully without some bodgery, best bet is to find another engine of the same type and go with that, swapping it over to diesel is fraught with difficulties and would require a lot of work

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ah yes, must be talking about me there :giggle:

swapping the engine for a different type or capacity is right royal pain up the arse, mechanically it's easy, but the DVLA have striven to make it as awkward and as expensive as possible to get registered and properly sorted on the paperwork side of things. besides once it's registered the road tax on a 1.4 is the same as a 1.6 anyway iirc

personally i would stay away from the mk3 golf variants of the engines, they use some 'old stock' parts which are sometimes not compatible fully without some bodgery, best bet is to find another engine of the same type and go with that, swapping it over to diesel is fraught with difficulties and would require a lot of work

Thanks Teflon Tom...whoops, I meant smart and good looking Teflon Tom.......I appreciate your opinion....now , just waiting to see if anyone out there dares to challenge your view or see things otherwise !....lol

my opinion is not gospel, there is more than one way to crack a nut as they say... by fwiw a decent fun truck should be kept as original as possible..

if you struggle to find somewhere that will do it, bring it round to mine and we could spend the day drinking beer and turning spanners, could have that engine out and back in inside a day i reckon

besides once it's registered the road tax on a 1.4 is the same as a 1.6 anyway iirc

The cut-off for cheaper road tax is 1549cc, so a 1.6 would cost more than a 1.4 (£200+ compared with £125 for the 1.4)

don't know anything about what the DVLA will mess about with, i buy a cheap runner and see how long i can keep it on the road economically...then sell, swop or scrap and replace with more cheap metallic junk...:giggle:

^^ yes you are right, i thought it was 1649cc for the tax band bracket thingy

i don't know if its because the golf is a heavy car or not but the 1.4 i drove was possibly the slowest thing id been in for the last 10 years, i would go for a 1.9td if i had a choice. whats the power output on the 1.4 anyways?

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A couple of years back, I put a 1.4 engine into a 2.0 Cavalier. I told the DVLA and they asked a few questions about where and who had done the engine swap, then changed the tax bracket on the car. As far as I am aware the tax is still about £68.25 for 6 months on a Nova 1.5 TD, but jumps up to the next bracket on a 1.6.

Yes, the 1.4 is NOT a pokey engine, but I am NOT looking for speed....I reckon that a Fun pickup is for posing and poodling around in....if you drive too fast nobody is going to see you , plus it should be fairly economical. Either way I am definitely looking for the cheaper tax because I have a few motors and it is getting expensive to fork out £ 100 plus pounds every 6 months.

Teflon, I actually bought a white 1987 2 door Polo from a woman named Ann, down in Hayling Island....still not sorted out the engine and gearbox issues on that car yet !...lol. Will bring the beers and take you up on that offer one day, if I get stuck. I am going to have a look at the two vehicles, engines, etc and see if there are major issues. I think it shout be a piece of cake.....( famous last words !)...oh, I'm waffling on about the Golf 1.4 here !..lol

If you aren't wanting speed etc, wouldnt the 1.3 ohv MPi be an easier swap?

i don't know how long ago your cavalier antics were but the rules changed on capacity changes in sep 2009 so you noew have to provide documentary evidence of the swap, with bill of sale showing the engine number etc etc, it's an absolute minefield tbh... sadly all the dvla have effectively done is shot themselves in the foot because they've made it so difficult that people just simply wont bother notifying them of changes... bad times for them

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Advanced member, I am NOT bothered about speed, so yes the 1.3 MPi is an option too, but am I correct in thinking that the 1.3 MPi is a Skoda engine and NOT a VW engine, so not the greatest engine in the world...am I wrong ?

Teflon, I did do my Cavalier antics b4 2009, but even back in 2002 when I did it, they wanted the engine number, name of garage that done the swap, etc. They know that if they ask ask these silly questions, then most people won't bother. But if it means me paying cheaper car tax, then believe me...I will be bothering !

If treated right, the 1.3 MPi is a reliable lump, no cambelt (timing chain) and has decades of evolution behind it.

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If treated right, the 1.3 MPi is a reliable lump, no cambelt (timing chain) and has decades of evolution behind it.

Ok, well, I might give it a go.....what sort of pampering does it need ?....oil changes every 2K miles ?

nah, just keep the oil & water topped up, oil & filter change every 6-10k, and make sure the thermostat,waterpump & fan temp senders are ok, and it should be trouble free. Checking the valve clearances every now & again doesn't hurt either.

there are a few minor changes to the engine bay wiring loom you need to make if you want to run a 1.3mpi engine in there

  • 11 years later...

Hello, I'm from colombia, and new Felicia 1.3 owner.  

 

I was wondering if a ap engine fits the gearbox and most engine mounts.  This because here in Colombia is quite cheap to find a VW gol, golf, vento engine 8v engine and should be a torque and hp improvement.

 

Hope some one who knows about this can answer me.

 

Thanks.

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