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I placed the tyre on top of the 17" Yeti tyre, same external diameter.

With regards to the central hole, it fits exactly over the hub spigot section.

With all due respect you seem determined to convince yourself and everyone here that you can fit 15 inch wheels on a Yeti. This 7 page thread (one of many) contains information that would convince most people that you can have 17" wheels and you can have 16" wheels but you can't have 15" wheels http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/177058-winter-tyres-and-insurance/

What you do is up to you but if you read the thread you'll see that whilst the 15 inch wheels may physically fit, you're not permitted to fit them because the manufacturer says so. The Plumber earlier has tried to advise against them and I'm saying that if you fit them your insurance will be void because you've fitted a non approved item and as tyres are a distinctly important safety feature they will take a dim view of you having an accident, even if it wasn't your fault, and finding, when they inspect the car, that they don't approve the tyres with the obvious result of them refusing any claim, be it a bent wing or the death of someone whose dependants finds there's no insurance to resort to.

I'm certainly not trying to pick holes or be awkward but the handbook says in black and white (page 221) you can't have 'em. Don't know how else to put it....

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Sorry to be a gloomy poster on this thread but I would be very cautious about this sizing -3cm is more than an inch less than standard and this sounds quite a lot. Are you sure that the tyres are up to the required spec re loading and speed rating? They may be cheaper but that size would generally be intended for smaller and lighter cars than a Yeti. Specification is as important as physical size :rofl:

The picture shows them to be almost lost in the wheelarches and the centre hole looks to be larger than the centre of the hub - spigot. It could just be the angle of the photo but you can fix this with appropriately sized spigot rings if needed. If there is a gap, the weight of the car is placed on the wheel studs.

The tyre /wheel combination would appear more appropriate on a Fabia or Roomster but they take 5x100 pcd, so no use there.

The SM looks jacked up to me.

I can't read what the spec is on the tyre, as the quality is not good enough. Needs to be 94H or thereabouts I think.

My Yeti is not jacked up, its a normal 140 SE

With regards to the insurance, I hear what you are saying, ebay bargains, and a buy it now button is always asking for trouble.

I have just plowed through all the winter tyre threads, and it feels like everyone is scared of the insurance companies, and will only use Skoda recommended parts.

In my experienced when making a claim, the insurance assessor never looks at the minor details, just checks if the vehicle matches the description on their sheet.

I have had a BSA motorcycle written off when it had Kawasaki front works and disc brakes.

I will ponder the sense in keeping the 15" and may keep a look out for some 16" steel wheels and tyres.

keep smiling, my Yeti had its steering assembly replaced under warranty yesterday, as the power steering failed !

My Yeti is not jacked up, its a normal 140 SE

With regards to the insurance, I hear what you are saying, ebay bargains, and a buy it now button is always asking for trouble.

I have just plowed through all the winter tyre threads, and it feels like everyone is scared of the insurance companies, and will only use Skoda recommended parts.

In my experienced when making a claim, the insurance assessor never looks at the minor details, just checks if the vehicle matches the description on their sheet.

I have had a BSA motorcycle written off when it had Kawasaki front works and disc brakes.

I will ponder the sense in keeping the 15" and may keep a look out for some 16" steel wheels and tyres.

keep smiling, my Yeti had its steering assembly replaced under warranty yesterday, as the power steering failed !

Sorry, I meant it was on the trolley jack..........

My Yeti is not jacked up, its a normal 140 SE

With regards to the insurance, I hear what you are saying, ebay bargains, and a buy it now button is always asking for trouble.

I have just plowed through all the winter tyre threads, and it feels like everyone is scared of the insurance companies, and will only use Skoda recommended parts.

In my experienced when making a claim, the insurance assessor never looks at the minor details, just checks if the vehicle matches the description on their sheet.

I have had a BSA motorcycle written off when it had Kawasaki front works and disc brakes.

I will ponder the sense in keeping the 15" and may keep a look out for some 16" steel wheels and tyres.

keep smiling, my Yeti had its steering assembly replaced under warranty yesterday, as the power steering failed !

I fully accept you've seen what seemed a bargain and went for it but this has been covered so much and there has been much correspondence with Skoda that it is just not possible to fit the 15 " wheels and comply with, what is, the law of the land. They must comply - as I said Camskill, a well respected national tyre supplier, is well versed in the supply of winter tyres and has said how much tighter the rules and regulations are now with £2000 fines for contravention. Times change and this is one of the areas where you just can't take the risk of killing someone - or being maimed for life yourself - and finding yourself uninsured. When my car was stolen I had to send the insurer a copy of my driving licence. If I had points on there and hadn't disclosed them they were well within their rights to refuse the claim (£10,000!). I'm sure you now see that you can't take that chance with something so well documented. When you've said that everyone's scared of the insurance companies I can see why you say that but maybe there's an awareness of what I outlined and people are aware that ins. co's. have the ability to withold payment if they can find the opportunity...and are reluctant to give them that opportunity?

Anyway, good luck if you need to sell them and get 16" wheels.

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I have just brought a set of 15" steels with 4 tyres (5mm on each) for £120 on e-bay.

The wife doesn't like the look of the steel rims, but plastic wheel trims for 15" are cheap.

Oh, and new winter tyres in 195/65x15 are cheap :)

I have just looked at the image of one your newly purchased 15" wheels. I cannot believe anybody would even comtemplate fitting them to a 140 SE Yeti, they (in closeup) appear severely corroded, battered, neglected and completely lost in your wheel arch. Life is to precious to take risks, follow the good advice proffered by other posters.

I have now double checked the loading on my 15" tyres, they are marked as 91 which means that can support a load of 615kg per corner.

The tyres are suitable for a 140 4x4 Yeti.

The rims are from a Audi A6 2.4 1999-2003, are only have slight surface rust.

All that I will do is inform my insurance company that I have fitted winter tyres.

I have now double checked the loading on my 15" tyres, they are marked as 91 which means that can support a load of 615kg per corner.

The tyres are suitable for a 140 4x4 Yeti.

Not according to the excellent guide written by TP. The Minimum recommended for a 140 Yeti is 94, as it is a 103kw engine.

Agreed, Skoda list tyres as 'Goodyear EXCELLENCE 225/50 R17 94W' for my car, however, the load rating for the 91 tyres is sufficient for the weight and power of a 140 Yeti.

If the Yeti came out in 2002, then I believe that 15" rims would have been fitted and my tyres would me recommend.

Also, don't you hate the spell-checker complaining about 'tyres' <> 'tires' :)

I have now double checked the loading on my 15" tyres, they are marked as 91 which means that can support a load of 615kg per corner.

The tyres are suitable for a 140 4x4 Yeti.

The rims are from a Audi A6 2.4 1999-2003, are only have slight surface rust.

All that I will do is inform my insurance company that I have fitted winter tyres.

"The tyres are suitable for a 140 4x4 Yeti."

"All that I will do is inform my insurance company that I have fitted winter tyres."

Ok, Nothing more to add really...kind of said all that I have to to say except, maybe to ask.... Do you feel that you don't want to tell the insurers what size of wheel you're fitting for any particular reason? Possibly that if they knew they were not an approved size they wouldn't insure you? If so are you being honest with them? And how do you feel about my point about having an accident and not being insured for the reasons given, several times....? Like I say, your call and you must have given it serious thought and I can't keep repeating myself like a broken record.

I hear you Stan, I will speak to the insurance company and see what they have to say.

Now get out there and drive your Yeti's (or is that Yeties ?)

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I hear you Stan, I will speak to the insurance company and see what they have to say.

Now get out there and drive your Yeti's (or is that Yeties ?)

Or indeed, "Yetii"

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WINTER IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER - I REALISE THE CORNER IS A BIG ONE (5 OR 6 MONTHS), BUT IT'S THERE NEVERTHELESS!

With an immense amount of help and patience from The Plumber (who signs himsel TP - I always thought that was his proper initials but it has just dawned on me that it could, and probably is, the initials of his User Name - duh!), I have now decided in favour of OEM Skoda Steels over Alloys and I will opt for the Nokian WR G2 as the following company has a deal going on at the moment which appears to be good to miss. reifen.com :thumbup:

Again many thanks to The Plumber for all the useful research and info he supplied via PM - much appreciated. The PMs started off quite technical (way above my head) and then almost came down to drawings where it then came into my comprehension range!! :giggle:

I think that you should check the suitability of these tyres as the link you supplied is for 205/55 R16 91 H and I believe that you will need 94 load rating.

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Poosibly check the P&P costs too from Germany?

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I think that you should check the suitability of these tyres as the link you supplied is for 205/55 R16 91 H and I believe that you will need 94 load rating.

Yep, wrong link and The Plumber did state quite clearly to me what the Load Index must be - my mistake. :o

The correct tyres are on the site somewhere and I will chase up the proper link.

I think that you should check the suitability of these tyres as the link you supplied is for 205/55 R16 91 H and I believe that you will need 94 load rating.

If you are going for 205 55 16, is there a particular reason, other than they might be cheaper than 215 60 16 (the standard size fitted to the lower spec Yeti)?

I couldn't myself see why not to go for the latter (apart from price) as the 205 55 16 is a smaller tyre wheel combination and exacerbates the, already quite noticeable speeo error and makes the mileage less accurate too. You'll have seen all the threads on here comparing the sizes, I'm sure and also used one of the on line tyre calculators (http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html). I find the speedo error quite enough (reads 70mph @ a true 66mph) on my standard 225 50 17 tyres without volunteering to make it worse (by a measure of 3.8%) by fitting smaller tyres. Using the existing error and adding the additional 3.8% means that at a true 70mph, you'd be reading 63.5mph on the clock. A considerable difference. If you used the speedo to show 50mph through 'Specs' controlled roadworks, you'd have lorries sitting on your tail pushing you to speed up to a true 50mph as they have accurate tacho's, so you'd have to constantly refer to the clock and work out your error....instead of concentrating on the roadworks. (That or, of course, use the speed readout on your TomTom).

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To quote oldstan "that at a true 70mph, you'd be reading 63.5mph on the clock".

To misquote from The Matrix "there's something wrong with the words. You don't know what it is, but it's there".

To quote oldstan "that at a true 70mph, you'd be reading 63.5mph on the clock".

To misquote from The Matrix "there's something wrong with the words. You don't know what it is, but it's there".

Sorry, haven't got it,you'll have to explain further.

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To quote oldstan "that at a true 70mph, you'd be reading 63.5mph on the clock".

To misquote from The Matrix "there's something wrong with the words. You don't know what it is, but it's there".

Oldstan - I think what freedle is saying is that maybe you meant True 63.5mph would read 70mph?

Oldstan - I think what freedle is saying is that maybe you meant True 63.5mph would read 70mph?

Ah! Right you are. Just goes to prove you can't take too much notice of what I say... :)

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If you are going for 205 55 16, is there a particular reason, other than they might be cheaper than 215 60 16 (the standard size fitted to the lower spec Yeti)?

I couldn't myself see why not to go for the latter (apart from price) as the 205 55 16 is a smaller tyre wheel combination and exacerbates the, already quite noticeable speeo error and makes the mileage less accurate too. You'll have seen all the threads on here comparing the sizes, I'm sure and also used one of the on line tyre calculators (http://www.miata.net...e/tirecalc.html). I find the speedo error quite enough (reads 70mph @ a true 66mph) on my standard 225 50 17 tyres without volunteering to make it worse (by a measure of 3.8%) by fitting smaller tyres. Using the existing error and adding the additional 3.8% means that at a true 70mph, you'd be reading 63.5mph on the clock. A considerable difference. If you used the speedo to show 50mph through 'Specs' controlled roadworks, you'd have lorries sitting on your tail pushing you to speed up to a true 50mph as they have accurate tacho's, so you'd have to constantly refer to the clock and work out your error....instead of concentrating on the roadworks. (That or, of course, use the speed readout on your TomTom).

Okay, here it goes on what I think I know. I chose the selection because:the Skoda(DE) April 2011 Wheel Guide as supplied to TÜV Technische Überwachung Hessen GmbH, states:

1. The combination of Tyre 205/55 R16 94V M+S /// Wheel 7J x 16 H2 /// Offset 45 is okay to use on the vehicle, and it is permissable to fit a snow chain to this combination. :thumbup:

2. A snow chain should not be fitted with the Tyre 215/60 R16 95H /// Wheel 7J x 16 H2 /// Offset 45 combination. :thumbdown:

3. A snow chain should not be fitted with the Tyre 225/50 R17 94W /// Wheel 7J x 17 H2 /// Offset 45 combination. :thumbdown:

And I know no matter how good the 4x4 Yeti may be (even though I haven't got one yet), I will at some point during the Winter still have to fit snow chains. :doh:

As an aside, I also looked at The Plumber's excellent Yeti Tyre and Rim Guide and was a bit confused between what the Owner Manual says and the YTRG reference on which axles to put snow chains - and of course it wouldn't amaze me if I have misread the online Adobe Owner's Manua. :giggle:

Ah, I can see 100% that if snow chains enters the equation then, yes indeed, you may/must have to fit the smaller combination in order to allow for the extra thickness of the links of the chains. I'm sorry if you said that and I missed it and kept banging on about trying to replicate the circumference of the stock tyres. I can see clearly now!

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or use the larger size tyres with auto socks.......don't take up the room the snow chains do and work almost as well and cheaper. neither should be used on tarmac roads.

You can't use snow chains on the larger front wheels as mentioned above, so auto socks there, but you can use snow chains on the large sizes of rear wheels!

Mike

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Ah, I can see 100% that if snow chains enters the equasion then, yes indeed, you may/must have to fit the smaller combination in order to allow for the extra thickness of the links of the chains. I'm sorry if you said that and I missed it and kept banging on about trying to replicate the circumference of the stock tyres. I can see clearly now!

No, that was also something I hadn't mentioned as I didn't realise it made a difference - in hindsight I think it would've helped had I mentioned it. :(

I do however, appreciate everyone's comments and I have learnt quite a lot from the Forum Members since starting this topic. Cheers :thumbup:

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