hello

friendley "BMW OWNER" neighbour came over to me yeterday and asked about my VRS

he is looking to change his X5 and get something sporty he said he has always liked the lookk of the octavia VRS , i told him to have a sit in which he did and then went .. ow manual , dont they do a automatic, i said yes they do DSG to which he said he worked with some one who had a Audi TT petrol with DSG and said it dosnt drive nice, i said i would ask about ...

so the qyestion is - 2.0T & DSG are they good together , are they "the beckams" or are they "jordan and many of her X's"

any coments would be gladly recieved

2.0T and DSG can do slow and fast driving very well. It does take a bit of getting used to but then I would say that is true for all cars and especially all automatics.

I have the 2.0 TSI and DSG combo and I love it!

Stick it in drive for your around town driving and for economy and it is great, but get it on the open road or if you fancy a bit of fun stick it in Sport and it turns into and animal (reminds me of the Fabia VRS advert!) add to that the flappy paddles and its a great combo.

I have found all the gear changes to be quick and smooth, no major issues at all, just a great combo!

I'm not a fan of auto's and I've had my fair share of both manual and auto gearboxes over the years.

Autos are great for fast gear changes and freeing up the drivers hands to hold the wheel, good for racing but not really needed for road use. They are also very nice if the vast majority of your driving is in slow or stop / start traffic as it means you aren't constantly on and off the clutch.

Manuals for me involve the driver far more effectively and allow you to feel much more in control of how the car behaves. I'm not quite old / lazy enough for another auto.

Saying that, DSG is different, I've never owned a DSG but did have a DSG 225bhp Audi TT for a few days which was great, very smooth changes and no delay or confused / unwanted gear changes, but then it was brand new.

My old BMW 320d auto was also very smooth from new. 100,000 miles later and it was clearly showing signs of wear especially during the winter months, an oil change helped but only slightly.

I think your neighbor should take a test drive, I'm sure he'll see an improvement over an X5 in either a manual or DSG equipped vRS.

I have a vRS with DSG.

Simply put - it's awesome

hello

friendley "BMW OWNER" neighbour came over to me yeterday and asked about my VRS

he is looking to change his X5 and get something sporty he said he has always liked the lookk of the octavia VRS , i told him to have a sit in which he did and then went .. ow manual , dont they do a automatic, i said yes they do DSG to which he said he worked with some one who had a Audi TT petrol with DSG and said it dosnt drive nice, i said i would ask about ...

so the qyestion is - 2.0T & DSG are they good together , are they "the beckams" or are they "jordan and many of her X's"

any coments would be gladly recieved

Well the unfortunate outcome of the mix of the 2 litre TSI and the 6 speed DSG is the slight loss of fuel consumption and acceleration as the 6 speed DSG is a heavy box that adds about 40 Kgs to the weight of the car which is one of the reasons we opted for the manual VRS.

It is a shame they have not beefied up the 7 speed DSG to deal with the 280 NMs of torque as its current limit is 250 NM although it has run at 380 NM of torque by some tuners but would probably get less than the 250,000 miles it is designed to be good for.

My solution, as SWMBO has the manual TSI VRS, was to go for the 1.8 TSI DSG L&K. Yes it is half a second slower to 62 mph but with the 7 speed DSG the fuel consumption is actually a couple of MPG better than the manual 1.8 TSI and 5 mpg better than the 2 litre TSI rather than a couple of MPG less as is the effect of the 6 speed DSG on the 2 litre petrol or diesel.

Hopefully VAG/Skoda will beef up the 7 speed DSG to run with the 2 litre TSI and then that will be an awesome combination of performance and good fuel consumption, I would certainly buy one in Octavia or Superb guise.

Edited 7 August, 201114 yr by lol

Well the unfortunate outcome of the mix of the 2 litre TSI and the 6 speed DSG is the slight loss of fuel consumption and acceleration as the 6 speed DSG is a heavy box that adds about 40 Kgs to the weight of the car which is one of the reasons we opted for the manual VRS.

It is a shame they have not beefied up the 7 speed DSG to deal with the 280 NMs of torque as its current limit is 250 NM although it has run at 380 NM of torque by some tuners but would probably get less than the 250,000 miles it is designed to be good for.

My solution, as SWMBO has the manual TSI VRS, was to go for the 1.8 TSI DSG L&K. Yes it is half a second slower to 62 mph but with the 7 speed DSG the fuel consumption is actually a couple of MPG better than the manual 1.8 TSI and 5 mpg better than the 2 litre TSI rather than a couple of MPG less as is the effect of the 6 speed DSG on the 2 litre petrol or diesel.

Hopefully VAG/Skoda will beef up the 7 speed DSG to run with the 2 litre TSI and then that will be an awesome combination of performance and good fuel consumption, I would certainly buy one in Octavia or Superb guise.

It actually only adds 20kg to the kerb weight of the car. The 20kg's worth of lost acceleration time is made up by the fact that you can't change gear that quick manually.

The OP's friend likes the look of the VRS so not quite sure why the wonderful 1.8TSI has come into a post yet again.

To sum up though for the OP - the DSG is awesome - just get him to test drive one. He possibly might not like it though if he used to Auto's.

It actually only adds 20kg to the kerb weight of the car. The 20kg's worth of lost acceleration time is made up by the fact that you can't change gear that quick manually.

The OP's friend likes the look of the VRS so not quite sure why the wonderful 1.8TSI has come into a post yet again.

To sum up though for the OP - the DSG is awesome - just get him to test drive one. He possibly might not like it though if he used to Auto's.

Stand corrected 20 Kgs.

In hindsight I would have been happy to go DSG with the VRS, the manual is great and ive always liked manuals, but the DSG is very effective and would have liked it for a change

The OP's friend likes the look of the VRS so not quite sure why the wonderful 1.8TSI has come into a post yet again.

To sum up though for the OP - the DSG is awesome - just get him to test drive one. He possibly might not like it though if he used to Auto's.

Probably because lol was using it as a comparison between 6 and 7 speed DSG boxes. I have the 6 speeder in my diesel Octavia and can honestly say I'm very happy with it. Like other people have said try and get him into one, the general concesus is that he will like it.

Ian.

P.S. VW do make a high torque version of the 7 speed DSG but I believe it is only available in a few VW models at the moment.

Edited 7 August, 201114 yr by countryboy

Probably because lol was using it as a comparison between 6 and 7 speed DSG boxes. I have the 6 speeder in my diesel Octavia and can honestly say I'm very happy with it. Like other people have said try and get him into one, the general concesus is that he will like it.

Ian.

P.S. VW do make a high torque version of the 7 speed DSG but I believe it is only available in a few VW models at the moment.

Yes the DQ 500 will appear in all the current models using the 6 speed DSG at the moment. Clearly it will give a bit better fuel consumption bit it will suffer from the same negative aspects to the current 6 speed DSGs ie expensive/annoying oil change every 60K kilometers/40 miles which the 7 speed dry plated box does not.

Want I really want to see is a dry plate 7 speed able to take a bit more torque which I expect VAG will do in the next couple of years.

I have had 2 of the 6 speed DSGs linked to the 1.9D and the 2 litre Diesel but the TSI matched to the 7 speed is the most fun match giving slightly better economy than the manual rather than slightly worse economy (6 speed) as well as snatching the change of gear in 0.03 seconds at a howling 7000 rpm.

Unfortunately looks like the 2 litre TSI will stay with the 6 speed for the foreseeable future which is why the 1.8 TSI is the better option linked to the 7 speed and then if you want 200-215 hp then think about remapping as standard max power occurs at 4500 rpm with still 2500 rpm still to rev then the remap can allow the torque plateau to stay at 250 Nm to 6000 rpm (210 hp approx) before backing off but letting it rev to 6800-7000. Not sure if anyone is advertising such as remap but customs remaps are quoted for a few quid more. turbo just has enough breath I gather.

Edited 8 August, 201114 yr by lol

I have a vRS with DSG.

Simply put - it's awesome

+1.

Suggest your friend takes a test drive. He'll be very impressed!