Hello Mk2 Furby Owners!

My dad is looking at the very snazzzy monte carlo furby as his next possible car. After me once owning a mk2 sport he very much liked the build quality, looks, interior and even the performance from my remapped 1.4TDi.

However the one thing his not sure on is which of the engine will be the best choice. He is like me and is a massive diesel fan. But even I said that maybe the TSi was worth a shout, as the list price of the TDi is a large amount more. He will do around 7-9k Miles a year. His daily commute is about 20 miles in a mixture of roads so dual carriage way, B roads and stop and start (his route is very varied )

So what im wanting to know is what mpg people get from there cars. And if you had the choice which model would you pick hense the poll. Plus a little bit of info on your cars good and bad is more than welcome if you can spare the time.

Thank you all kindly :yes:

The 1.6 CR is very good, but for low milage I'd go for the 1.2 TSi.

I tried the 1.6 CR in a Roomster.

We have the 1.2 TSi engine in a Yeti that does 5k miles a year. Perfect for short journeys. Fun to drive and warms up quickly.

And while the 1.6 CR engine is quiet for a diesel, the 1.2 TSi is quieter and very smooth.

Teamed up with the 7 speed DSG box it's even better!

If it was for high miles I'd be tempted by the diesel.

Is he looking at the 105PS outputs of both engines? As the Monte is available in the 86PS 1.2TSI and the 75PS 1.6CR as well.

But based on his annual mileage, I'd go for the 105PS 1.2TSI. There's £1000 between the 105PS versions, and it would take a fair few years to re-coup that difference in fuel costs, if he's doing 7-9k a year.

I voted TSi purely because it's cheaper and you wouldn't make the money back in fuel savings by doing that kind of mileage per year going for the diesel.

although arguably the residuals will be better with the diesel and out of warranty running costs will be lower too

actually i wanna change my vote to 1.6tdi if he is intending keeping it out of warranty, as it will work out cheaper

Not getting the logic of why the diesel will be cheaper to run, once it's outside of warranty?

actually i wanna change my vote to 1.6tdi if he is intending keeping it out of warranty, as it will work out cheaper

Why will the diesel be cheaper to fix in the future?

Are you thinking the petrol has a supercharger like the VRS? (it doesn't)

The diesel has the same parts in terms of general type and number, plus a DPF.

And the milage quoted means it should go on for years and years without needing any real work.

The diesel will actually cost more to service in 3 years than the petrol will. And again out of warranty would be the same. I from the start thought the petrol would be better

I've ordered a diesel, based on a number of threads on here suggesting that the Tsi fuel economy gets nowhere near the brochure figures

I voted on petrol due to his low mileage, and the TSi engines are brilliant... No that im biased

I've ordered a diesel, based on a number of threads on here suggesting that the Tsi fuel economy gets nowhere near the brochure figures

Are those 1.2 TSi threads or 1.4 VRS ones?

Just a bit surprised as this 1.2 TSi engine in our Yeti has averaged 42mpg over it's first year and 4,600 miles.

And that's in a vehicle 100kg heavier with worse aerodynamics.

Are those 1.2 TSi threads or 1.4 VRS ones?

Just a bit surprised as this 1.2 TSi engine in our Yeti has averaged 42mpg over it's first year and 4,600 miles.

And that's in a vehicle 100kg heavier with worse aerodynamics.

Thanks for the nudge, but I am aware of the difference between the vRS and the Tsi, and they were definitely 1.2 Tsi threads in the Fabia Mk2 forum

It's got too be the diesel, the 1.2tsi will soon burn out and swallow fuel like an alki on lightning jack

I'm doing less than 5k a year and went with the diesel 105. £20 a year road tax, higher residuals and more economical. We intend to keep the car a while and although the 1.2Tsi is good I much prefer the diesel. IMHO that would be what I'd spend my money on again if I had to, no question.

i voted for the diesel due to can get greater economy if need to go on long runs, best bet is to drive both and see wich one takes your fancy

Really depends if you dad wants refinment or extra mpg, by the time you work everything out the diesel will be cheaper but not by much. For me i rather have the refinement of petrol

diesels are better in everyway hence the price

I'm just not replying to these threads anymore. There is loads of info about this exact topic that you can get with a quick search.

So, I will only say this: Get him to test drive both engines and buy whichever one he likes driving the most.

My Monte 105 tsi averages around 38 mpg over a week of slow smooth driving which is pretty poor in my mind but it is a great engine and I know many others can achieve much more. I have had many diesels including my last Octavia VRS CR170 but for me petrol is way superior then any diesel engine especially in TSI form so the poor mpg is not so much of an issue for me. I think it comes down to price and what you want from a car ie: Ecomony or Fun.

Edited 14 September, 201114 yr by Vrs2

I'm firmly in the diesel camp, but acknowledge how good the TSI engines are and I see why people are drawn to them. But I would say the argument about diesel not being worth buying if your mileage each year is low doesn't really hold water now. DPF's are not a problem on low miles as long as you don't potter all the time. Modern diesels warm up nearly as quickly as modern petrols now. And the best bit, you can buy a new diesel CR for not much more than a TSI petrol if you shop around a little. How do I know? I'm currently looking myself to buy a new CR and have noticed how cheap to buy they are compared to what is being charged for the TSI. But I stress it's worth shopping around on that one. And for that almost insignificant extra amount of money for the diesel you will get, in normal motoring without even trying, 40-60% extra mileage per gallon (more on a run), £20 per year road tax, a huge amount of extra torque (105ps TSI 175nm @1500rpm, 105ps CR1.6 250nm @ 1500rpm) and an engine that is much less stressed (particularly the turbo), and an engine that will long outlast the TSI. Add to that the fact that every time you drive it you are producing much much less CO2, and you are saving the planet too! Therefore short and long term costs for diesels can be and usually are very low. Residuals for diesels are higher when you come to part with it. Turbo's don't normally give trouble due to their stress free life compared to the petrol equivalent, so whilst you cannot rule out a problem, it's much less likely on a diesel than a petrol engine (I speak from experience here). Servicing costs ARE NOT higher generally, but some may be thinking about the cam belt change which does add a little to the cost of CR servicing but not much. And it doesn't out weigh the other massive savings you will make by buying diesel. There may still be a cost associated with a cam chain too on the TSI and that won't be cheap.

On a purely economic basis alone, diesel pretty much wins in every area. Just do the sums. Yes you can buy a cheaper TSI but it won't necessarily be much cheaper initially. And the service costs will be almost identical in the first 4 years BUT whatever mileage you cover each year you will pay a much higher price for road tax and petrol used. On the driving front, there is of course personal preference that comes into it. I find diesels better because even the TSI doesn't compare properly to the diesel driving experience for me. Sure the TSI is even more refined in terms of quietness over the CR, but you can barely hear the CR either, when on the move, it's very good. And I do like to hear the engine, just a little.

So on economics it's diesel for me and for driving pleasure, power, and longevity, it's diesel too. But...we all have differing priorities where economics may not matter, and driving pleasure is only driving a petrol! One thing is for sure...cars whether petrol or diesel have never been so good. Good though to argue about these things eh?

Thanks guys for the replies his leaning towards the TSI, I explained that the CR although torquey wont have the same PD Anger Crush Body Slam In The Seat That he loved in his old vrs furby.

He said hill try both for the heck of it. But likes idea of resonable economy, he was espically surprised that the yeti (bossfox) could have the same engine varient and still return good mpg. His looking at an all black monte carlo with a manual. I must say its makes me consider a new vrs with the monte carlo pack

I'm just not replying to these threads anymore. There is loads of info about this exact topic that you can get with a quick search.

So, I will only say this: Get him to test drive both engines and buy whichever one he likes driving the most.

He says while replying to the thread..................

He says while replying to the thread..................

Because it will be the last time I'm replying to the same debate that has been done at least 5 times in the last month.