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As above, I first noticed on Captain Street, quite steep, pulling out of a tight parking space, very poor control available, compared to a manual/clutch.

Then more recently last week on the wee short moderately steep slope in Portrush (near the harbour) I was quite happily proceeding slowly uphill, in heavy/close traffic when drive disengaged, quite disconcerting.

And I then instinctively "stab" the brakes.

My gripe is (& I know the electronics think they know better)that the engine is quite happy pulling first gear at the low revs, absolutly no signs of stalling, & anyway the enging managment fuelling should compensate?..... ............but it just disengages, and freewheels backwards..

Has anyone got this issue satisfactorily resolved?

I have near 23,000 on her & am otherwise impressed with the DSG box.

Cheers

Marcus

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As above, I first noticed on Captain Street, quite steep, pulling out of a tight parking space, very poor control available, compared to a manual/clutch.

Then more recently last week on the wee short moderately steep slope in Portrush (near the harbour) I was quite happily proceeding slowly uphill, in heavy/close traffic when drive disengaged, quite disconcerting.

And I then instinctively "stab" the brakes.

My gripe is (& I know the electronics think they know better)that the engine is quite happy pulling first gear at the low revs, absolutly no signs of stalling, & anyway the enging managment fuelling should compensate?..... ............but it just disengages, and freewheels backwards..

Has anyone got this issue satisfactorily resolved?

I have near 23,000 on her & am otherwise impressed with the DSG box.

Cheers

Marcus

Only similar experience I have is when reversing slowly up a steep slope (usually my drive). If I am fully loaded with 4 adults then occasionally it just disengages the clutch and it starts to roll down the hill.

It has happened when I am on REALLY light throttle just edging out of the drive.

If driving a manual I guess I would maintain the low speed by using the clutch; a conventional auto can "slip" the drive anyway but the DSG clutch is either on or off so if the engine isn't getting enough fuel then it disengages the drive to avoid stalling. I am just ready for it now and catch it on the brake and start again.

Must say that slow speed manoevering on steep hills is something I have yet to master with the DSG! Or maybe it is its only vice!

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Thanks Eccles,

I think you & I have compared experiences with the DSg & its quirks before?

Yes?

PS

Is it possible to drive on a REALLY LIGHT throttle when routinely wearing der Hi-leg German Combat Boots :rofl:

like wot i do.

PPs

I suppose they will be cheaper now with the current Euro woes :rofl:

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Thanks Eccles,

I think you & I have compared experiences with the DSg & its quirks before?

Yes?

Indeed we have - probably on the self same issue.

PS

Is it possible to drive on a REALLY LIGHT throttle when routinely wearing der Hi-leg German Combat Boots :rofl:

like wot i do.

Eee Lad, none so sure abaht that. Rahnd these parts we still wear us clogs :D

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Ah well needless to say the Dealer can find nowt amiss, having apparently tried to replicate my occurance on a ramp at their premises.

Nowt on der computer either, but I did not expect der computer to show owt.

So her bin referred to Skoda UK technical bods, by the dealer.

I wont bother crossing my fingers.

cheers

M

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Well Lordy Lordy,

I have just been informed by the dealer that Skoda Uk have replied to the effect that this is the way the gearbox is designed to work,in order to prevent the clutchpack from overheating, sensors etc etc blagh de blagh.

I cannot fathom how the clutch can overheat once it is engaged, which is attended to by the Mechatronic unit, it is not like a centrapedal clutch in a chainsaw after all.

Quite frustrating, that VW design a gear box that is apparently unable to cope with manouvering on a slope, unless such manouvering is conducted at such a speed as to be unsafe(potentially).

Do I have any recourse? or what other steps can I take?

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OK

Anyone?

How best to proceed?

As I feel this is a "substantive issue"

Marcus

PS

I presume, for one thing, the sensors could be oversensitive/wrongly calibrated?

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Dieseldogg,

I have a 6 month old L&K DSG 1.8 TSI with the same problem. I would argue that it is a safety problem if the car can suddenly disconnect the drive and roll backwards when 'trickling' slowly up a hill under very light throttle (as it does for me on occasion!). My previous DSG 1.9 TDI NEVER played this game!

Perhaps it should be reported as a safety issue?

Regards, Mike.

I have a 6 month old L&K DSG 1.8 TSI with the same problem. I would argue that it is a safety problem if the car can suddenly disconnect the drive and roll backwards when 'trickling' slowly up a hill under very light throttle (as it does for me on occasion!). My previous DSG 1.9 TDI NEVER played this game!

I wonder if the difference is the 7 speed dry clutch vs the 6 speed wet clutch. With the wet clutch the mechatronic thingummy can allow a little clutch slippage without causing overheating or even use the oil between fractionally parted plates as a viscous coupling, whereas any slippage to maintain engine revs on a 7 speed will overheat the clutch.

You would think that it isn't beyond the wit of (Ger)man to have some kind of interaction with ESP, ABS, hill-hold or whatever to at least apply the brake if the car starts to roll in a direction opposite to the selected gear as a result of the drive being summarily disconnected.

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A brief update, with the Skoda UK webpage e-mail contact details set-up proving to be dysfunctional (twice) I phoned,& after a long wait I got a very helpful gentleman who will respond in more detail on Monday coming.

He appeared to take on board my reasons for feeling there was a problem that required addressing.

He is to go back to the dealer etc etc.

Mind you with a 150 mile round trip to the dealers the less faffing about the better.

I was quite disgusted, that despite being well briefed, by myself, the dealer had not had the foresight to even find a hill locally to attempt to replicate the issue, despite my repeated assertation that the problem was purely related to manouvering on a slope.

jhc!

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