I'm just having a look through the VCDS label files to see if there's any clues in there.....

edit - It seems that my module is sort of "mismatched". The part number is 6Q0 907 379 AB which according to one label file is ABS/EDS/ASR 5.7 and redirects to the appropriate label file for that particular module.

REDIRECT,6Q0-907-37x-ASR.LBL,6Q0-907-37?-AB ; ABS/EDS/ASR 5.7 *

However, in logs and the VCDS main UI, it reports itself as Component: MABS 8.0 front H03 0001, whereas v8.0 modules in the label files should have a different part number.

The Fabia Factory Repair Manual agrees that my part number is a v8 module so I think this may be a cosmetic error on the part of Ross-Tech. From this excerpt, I'm reading that it's not possible to recode the modules as it is on the Golf chassis, but it actually requires a different module part number (for example see that my 6Q0907379AB module does TCS, while the 6Q0907379AA module only does ABS, even though both are coded with 0000008)

Jesus christ its crazy that a big car maker like skoda let people turn these things off, meaning it will then go flying into the nearest tree. Its the 4 degree beep all over again, people seem to be so reliant on newer driving aids that they feel just because they need them, everyone else should have them.

The ASR is massively over sensitive, cutting power way before its needed, so I can understand wanting it off. If he was going to go flying into a tree without it then it would have happened by now, i`m sure he turns it off each time its started anyway. If it was that dangerous to have it off, every car would have it fitted, my ST doesnt have it, I dont see lots of posts on the STOC "I crashed my car due to no ASR".

Dont judge everyone elses driving skills as low as your own.

On a side note, these Factory Repair Manuals are awesome. It's like erotic fiction for car nerds. For example there seems to be a timer that records how long your brakes have had to cool down after application of the Electronic Diff Lock in order to know whether it's safe to use the EDL or whether it's likely to cook your pads. Might have to have a look at some of this stuff on VCDS later

Jesus christ its crazy that a big car maker like skoda let people turn these things off, meaning it will then go flying into the nearest tree. Its the 4 degree beep all over again, people seem to be so reliant on newer driving aids that they feel just because they need them, everyone else should have them.

The ASR is massively over sensitive, cutting power way before its needed, so I can understand wanting it off. If he was going to go flying into a tree without it then it would have happened by now, i`m sure he turns it off each time its started anyway. If it was that dangerous to have it off,

every car would have it fitted, my ST doesnt have it, I dont see lots of posts on the STOC "I crashed my car due to no ASR".

Dont judge everyone elses driving skills as low as your own.

I had a focus st? Pretty sure it had esp?

He drives a Fiesta ST now I think? A girl at work has one on an 08 plate (one of last of the old shape ones), and I've never noticed a TCS button in that either.

Fiesta I should have put that. Its for the mrs more than me, my fabia is a bit too brutal for her lol

Edited 13 December, 201114 yr by matt1chelski

Well all vrs's then?

Well all vrs's then?

Yes standard on the vRS.

Yes standard on the vRS.

Nice

Jesus christ its crazy that a big car maker like skoda let people turn these things off, meaning it will then go flying into the nearest tree. Its the 4 degree beep all over again, people seem to be so reliant on newer driving aids that they feel just because they need them, everyone else should have them.

The ASR is massively over sensitive, cutting power way before its needed, so I can understand wanting it off. If he was going to go flying into a tree without it then it would have happened by now, i`m sure he turns it off each time its started anyway. If it was that dangerous to have it off, every car would have it fitted, my ST doesnt have it, I dont see lots of posts on the STOC "I crashed my car due to no ASR".

Dont judge everyone elses driving skills as low as your own.

I do agree in a sense that people do rely on driving aids & I'm quite certain that for the younger generation that it will be something they look for when buying a car.

I learnt to drive before driving aids were introduced and didn't have ABS/ASR/Traction Control etc etc on a car until I reached my late 20's so learnt to read the road/weather conditions and change my driving style accordingly.

I've also had a couple of cars with close to the OP's BHP figures but didn't have any of the traction issues unless I was being daft and as a result I wrote of a car by rolling it into a ditch which isn't something I'm proud of but have learnt from my mistakes and wouldn't like anyone else togo through it, would ESP or similar saved me from the ditch? Who know's, possibly/possibly not. I now have a greater respect for motorvehicles and just how dangerous they can be.

Coming to work tonight 18:00, driving down an unlit B-Road I came up behind a Punto without it's lights on driving at approx 50mph some people need driving aids, in this case, Auto Headlights as some people aren't capable of recognising its dark, or maybe they are used to a car with Auto Headlights and thought they had turned on, again, who know's? :S

Skoda designed ASR to work within what they believe the safe capabilites of the car they designed so once you start modifying the car the limits that have been set often seem over cautious but I still believe that they shouldn't be removed permanently unless the car is going to be a purpose built track car.

I also assume the OP would inform his insurance company that he is removing safety features from his car it would be interesting to get their view on this kind of mod

St's are carp! Lol

I also assume the OP would inform his insurance company that he is removing safety features from his car it would be interesting to get their view on this kind of mod

Not too big a deal IMO, Skoda provide you a button which turns it off on a per-journey basis anyway. Also if you have a mechanical diff fitted then I would hope a sensible insurance company who deal with modified cars a lot would see that's superior to the EDL as it's not relying on the input from sensors which could fail/be damaged. Obviously if you were to pull the fuse to the ABS module and forcefully disable everything in one hit (ABS/EDL/ASR) then that would be a different matter and I would expect unhappy insurers...

edit - should be clear, the button only turns off ASR, not EDL. So if you didn't have a proper diff and disabled EDL then you'd have a valid point about removing safety features. But a mechanical diff should supersede the "emulated" diff in my eyes as it does the same thing but in a standalone manner, and disabling ASR is a manufacturer provided feature anyway (although I'm sure there's several caveats in the handbook saying "don't do this on the road" to cover it)

Not too big a deal IMO, Skoda provide you a button which turns it off on a per-journey basis anyway. Also if you have a mechanical diff fitted then I would hope a sensible insurance company who deal with modified cars a lot would see that's superior to the EDL as it's not relying on the input from sensors which could fail/be damaged. Obviously if you were to pull the fuse to the ABS module and forcefully disable everything in one hit (ABS/EDL/ASR) then that would be a different matter and I would expect unhappy insurers...

valid point but I wonder just how many insurers would understand it

St's are carp! Lol

I quite like it. Nippy, quicker than their lack of bhp suggests, gives me my petrol noise fix, feels so light a nimble compared to the fabia. Not so keen on the high (for me) seating position and the lack of a 6th gear but overall I quite rate it. Once I sort the overly restrictive intake & exhaust system should be bit better. What dont you like about them so much?

I do agree in a sense that people do rely on driving aids & I'm quite certain that for the younger generation that it will be something they look for when buying a car.

I learnt to drive before driving aids were introduced and didn't have ABS/ASR/Traction Control etc etc on a car until I reached my late 20's so learnt to read the road/weather conditions and change my driving style accordingly.

I've also had a couple of cars with close to the OP's BHP figures but didn't have any of the traction issues unless I was being daft and as a result I wrote of a car by rolling it into a ditch which isn't something I'm proud of but have learnt from my mistakes and wouldn't like anyone else togo through it, would ESP or similar saved me from the ditch? Who know's, possibly/possibly not. I now have a greater respect for motorvehicles and just how dangerous they can be.

Coming to work tonight 18:00, driving down an unlit B-Road I came up behind a Punto without it's lights on driving at approx 50mph some people need driving aids, in this case, Auto Headlights as some people aren't capable of recognising its dark, or maybe they are used to a car with Auto Headlights and thought they had turned on, again, who know's? :S

Skoda designed ASR to work within what they believe the safe capabilites of the car they designed so once you start modifying the car the limits that have been set often seem over cautious but I still believe that they shouldn't be removed permanently unless the car is going to be a purpose built track car.

Valid points

valid point but I wonder just how many insurers would understand it

True. Brentacre stand a chance I reckon. When I rang for a quote for my Fabia, the guy on the other end of the phone knew about half the mods that'd be on it as soon as I said it was a Fabia vRS

"Is it modified?"

"Yes"

"Remap?"

"Yep"

"Uprated clutch for that?"

"Yep"

"Coilovers?"

"Yep"

"Rear ARB?"

"Yep"

"What wheels have you got on it, I bet they're not standard?"

"1.2s"

"Yeah, everyone does those. Right, what else have you got?"

Yup wudnt say st's are crap

Focus st is nice, thirsty engine but sounds lush and the exhaust pops now and again

Turning circle is terrible

But they look nice and i had an st3 that was specced to the moon!

Rather rapid too and map to 265-270 straight out the box

I dolike the focus as you say they sound the part. Always something about 5 cylinders. My mate has a fiesta and altho it does look the part and feels nimble its just too slow for the power figures IMO, my fab was quicker in standard trim than the fiesta. The brakes are terrible and despite feeling like it will handle it just does not like going round corners in the wet under steers like mad. But it is fun none the less, they are quite thirsty aswel lol one thing I do like is the aux port built in for mp3s lol

As for the intake he has fitted and k and n 57i induction kit but does sound rather chavy lol also has a piper flexi pipe

I read it perfectly, What you need to understand is that ASR etc is fitted to cars to try and aid the driver gain control over their car should the car detect it may be going out of control, these aids shouldn't interfere in normal driving conditions and if they are then the car isn't being driven correctly, unless the roads are snowy/icy in which case I can understand needing to press the button to turn it off. I can't remember the last time I had any flashing yellow lights on my dash through accelerating so hard as to break the traction of the tyres, even when I had a fabia (admitidly it wasn't modyfied) but any car can be pushed hard enough to bring on any traction control lights if driven agressivly

You openly admit that it must be the driving style & by driving hard you are loosing traction and therefore loosing control of your car as you are driving beyond the cars limits. Completely removing these driving aids you are risking not being able to recover the vehicle in a slide and potentially killing someone.

I'm glad I don't live near you as IMO you sound dangerous on the roads.

Matthew

you're an idiot

loss of traction does not mean loss of control. i don't think i've ever driven my car and not lost traction but i've never wrapped it so clearly still in control so far. drifters rely on the loss of traction and it's a competitive event... every motorsport involves the loss of traction.

i turn off ASr every time i get in the car, sometimes i forget and it doesn't take long for me to realise

and i can slide the car just as long with ASR on as i can off, it really doesn't do much good at all. it just cuts the power so rather than ever-so-slightly lose traction and still get a good launch it just cuts it completely and keeps trying to lay it down now and again, it's just awful and unpredictable

it might be good for idiots who can't drive, for example when i let my girlfriend drive i left it on. i'd probably leave it on if you drove it too as if you think it's dangerous turning it off then you're clearly a mug

I agree the asr can be a pain in the ass and dangerous.

sent from being stood in front of a mirror looking like Santa using Tapatalk.

I do agree that the ASR is pants. My wife's Clio 182 has a much better traction control system.

However if you learn to drive smoother you will probably discover it doesn't kick in, you might even make better progress. Ever thought about IAM or ROSPA?

Is it just standing starts you suffer from or cornering?

Just take the bloody fuse and bulb out. That way you'll loose abs also

I do agree that the ASR is pants. My wife's Clio 182 has a much better traction control system.

However if you learn to drive smoother you will probably discover it doesn't kick in, you might even make better progress. Ever thought about IAM or ROSPA?

Is it just standing starts you suffer from or cornering?

Just take the bloody fuse and bulb out. That way you'll loose abs also

i like the ABS, i think it's ok. it messes up sometimes but generally does more good than bad. the same can't be said for ASR.

i'm 100% confident i'd set quicker lap times with ASR turned off. i'd put serious money on it.

you're an idiot

loss of traction does not mean loss of control. i don't think i've ever driven my car and not lost traction but i've never wrapped it so clearly still in control so far. drifters rely on the loss of traction and it's a competitive event... every motorsport involves the loss of traction.

i turn off ASr every time i get in the car, sometimes i forget and it doesn't take long for me to realise

and i can slide the car just as long with ASR on as i can off, it really doesn't do much good at all. it just cuts the power so rather than ever-so-slightly lose traction and still get a good launch it just cuts it completely and keeps trying to lay it down now and again, it's just awful and unpredictable

it might be good for idiots who can't drive, for example when i let my girlfriend drive i left it on. i'd probably leave it on if you drove it too as if you think it's dangerous turning it off then you're clearly a mug

Name calling, how very grown up .

Wait until a family member or close friend becomes brain dead from a young person who thinks they know better than everyone else then you might change your mind, I've seen it happen & it isn't nice.

Yes, drifters rely on breaking traction to perform their drifts but their cars are setup for it and performed on the track and probably all RWD (I could be wrong as I don't follow drifting). Most motorsport events rely on getting the best traction available to get the best lap/circuit times and try to minimise the traction losses but these cars aren't everyday cars and ££££'s are invested setting these cars up to make them the best they can be on a track. At the end of the day your car is NOT a permanent track car and is prodominately a small hatchback that spends most of its time on the road.

Like I said in an earlier post, I can understand the need to remove ASR completely if it's a dedicated car for track or quater mile runs.

If you are using it on the road and your getting alot of loss of traction then its because of some of the following reasons

* Heavy right foot

* Badly setup car (too agressive map/wrong tyres for the roads/suspension needing tweaking)

* Too much power

* poor road surfaces

* wet/greasy roads

I'm sure that sliding a car on a public road is dangerous and if this is happening then something isn't right.

You say you havent wrapped your car yet so you have always been in control of your car, How do you explain your comments about the accident you had with your front bumper?? here

Surely if it was that dangerous to drive with ASR cutting the power you wouldn't let your girlfriend drive your car with it on and you would instruct her to turn it off? Does your girlfriend have the same problems as you when driving your car? I'm also sure she would be pleased to hear you call her an idiot .

There are other high powered fabia's on here and they don't seem to have the same problems as you, in fact I have driven a Hybrid Fabia on several occasions and never felt the need to turn off the ASR as I didn't have any issues with traction.

Yep thats me I'm a mug/idiot :'( , I've given my opinion/experiences and at the end of the day its your car/life and you can do with it what you like so long as you understand the consequences should something bad happen which might have been avoided.

Matthew

I think the OP is fully confirming with each additional post that he uses the road as a race track......... :wonder:

To try to treat his first post with some logic....

By all means pull the fuse/disable all the electronic aids you want when on a race track.

As has been said other high powered Fabias don't have the same problem with the ASR...so look at your own problems..

What is the condition/quality of your tyres???

How stiff is you suspension??

SOULTIONS

If you have top quality tyres and stiff suspension (which I think you do)(you allready have an LSD)......THEN you defo need to fit these SuperPro console bushes......these reduce the pre-load on the suspension and reduce wheel "hop & skip"....these are made for cars with lowered/stiff suspension which suffer loss of traction on bends etc.......get these fitted and see the difference!!!

http://www.superpro.eu.com/catalogue/16/skoda-fabia-mki-2000-_to-2005/#SPF3273K

SPF3273K List Price £83.97 plus VAT

Front Control Arm, Rear Bush Kit With Anti Lift

As per the SPF3271K this improved design bush will out last OEM bushes significantly however, these bushes have been designed with an offset mounting. This allows for a greater caster angle to be achieved cutting down on wheel hop and spin.

If you then still have "problems" and all the mechanical bits are all sorted.......well the only solution then is to sort out your driving style/heavy left foot!!!

P.S.....it doesn't matter how good a driver you are...or think you are......sooner or later you will have an accident!!!!!............just don't go looking for one!!!!!