Hi,

I am planning to put a carbonio carbon fiber air intake in my 1.8tsi fl octy, is it ok if i just go for the carbinio air intake without doing a stage1 remap?

can the stock map(tune) on the ecu handle the extra air the carbonio will give the engine? or will the engine run lean without the stage1 map?

Thanks..

Edited 26 January, 201214 yr by insane79

I have a pipercross Venom induction kit on mine , no remap ...most ecu's will take about 5-10% increase in perfromance , i.e a air filter or a cat back exhaust without problems. The standard ecu maps have a very wide operating range. Now if you put a air intake and performance turbo back exhaust with either a decat or 200 cell sports cat , you will more than likely run too lean ..thats when you are in trouble ( a remap is needed). So no worries with a carbonio.

I did feel a small increase in performance , mine spools up a little quicker and feels a little punchier in the mid and top range.

The remaps that are available will make the most of any mods you make. Have fun :yes:

Before you buy it please consider the fact that the carbonio intake scoop/panel filter kit (all £185 of it) gives absolutely no performance gain at all. Its the biggest waste of money on the market. Believe me, loads of us have fallen foul of that trap before.

I was lucky that i sold it for only a £20 LOSS. I then bought a proper induction kit, which of course will cost more money but your looking at proper gains, and not imaginable placebo gains

example

ITG Maxogen £300 and 15-18Hp gain

Evoms intake £270 and 8-15hp gain

Carbonio intake scoop £185hp <1hp gain

I had 4 different intakes on my car.

Carbonio=made no power at all

Code red induction kit = about 7hp iirc

ITG Maxogen induction kit=18Hp

Pipercross venom(was given to me) = lost about 10hp

I have Evoms TSi intake, but for a little more money 100-150 quid extra you better save and go for Stage1 remap and get extra 40PS and much more torque, and no need for Intake. That will make a nice difference and not the intake.

Intake comes to play only on Stage2.

Agree with Simon , they might look cool , but a complete waste of money, a mate of mine had one, no increase in power at all

I'm surprised you lost power with the Pipercross venom ! When tested with VW GOLf gti mk5 gave a good increase in power and torque. Mine feels so much better. Did you dyno and was it the same kit with the complete induction pipe? I'm just interested as there seems to be many differing results with all the kits.

I'm happy with mine , so much better than the standard air warmer !

Does anyone have any experience with the k&n 69 typhoon kit for the 1.8 tsi ?

It's nearly £300 ... But they claim +8-10 bhp

I think the biggest problem with some of these kits is the way the work. With the OEM air box your engine sucks in nice cold air from the outside world which is good as you get little heat soak. Others simply place an air filter in the space where the standard airbox was, result the car is now sucking in warm / hot air which is bad as you get lots of heat soak in the engine with the result of having less power. Sometimes the best performance results are obtained simply by replacing the OEM air filter in the factory airbox.

I have Evoms TSi intake, but for a little more money 100-150 quid extra you better save and go for Stage1 remap and get extra 40PS and much more torque, and no need for Intake. That will make a nice difference and not the intake.

Intake comes to play only on Stage2.

An intake is only really required for stage 2+

Just to echo previous comments, Carbonio look lovely, but do squat!

I think the biggest problem with some of these kits is the way the work. With the OEM air box your engine sucks in nice cold air from the outside world which is good as you get little heat soak. Others simply place an air filter in the space where the standard airbox was, result the car is now sucking in warm / hot air which is bad as you get lots of heat soak in the engine with the result of having less power. Sometimes the best performance results are obtained simply by replacing the OEM air filter in the factory airbox.

I agree with you but .... The 69 kit uses the oem intake opening and it comes with a heat shield around the filter ...

I think this would be the best place to place the filter ....!!!

But I would love for someone to have first hand experience with this filter before I make a substantial investment .!

Has anyone actually taken apart the standard air intake system and had a good look? It runs over the engine and there is no real thermoplastic shielding on the whole system. The performance gains are really only due to the filter flowing more air , not cooler air. You would get the same results if you removed the standard filter. The issue i had was the fact that engine is heating the whole system and unlike shielded pipe and enclosed filter , it remains hotter for longer. Had the same proplem with the 1.8 16v vw engine on my corrado, being naturally aspirated you really noticed the drop of in performance ans the inlent manifold got hotter as you drove. Put you foot down and you got the sluggish response. Felt the same but no to same degree with the standard inlet. With the venom kit , you do not get that same slightly sliggish response.

Will agree that any system that just relys on a naked air filter in the engine bay without any shielding will lose performance as warm air is enemy and there loads in the engine bay.

With turbo cars , increased cool air flow is never a bad thing , just not convinced by the v.a.g design , it's done for looks and a price. What would have convinced me about the v.a.g design was if it had some heat reflective material between the bottom of the air filter and the engine. Like another member did on this forum with good results. But nothing looks good like a well designed induction kit. Also looks at the later tsi engines they have done away with the system we have and gone towards the pipe system that many induction kits use. Must be some reason why.

Before you buy it please consider the fact that the carbonio intake scoop/panel filter kit (all £185 of it) gives absolutely no performance gain at all. Its the biggest waste of money on the market. Believe me, loads of us have fallen foul of that trap before.

I was lucky that i sold it for only a £20 LOSS. I then bought a proper induction kit, which of course will cost more money but your looking at proper gains, and not imaginable placebo gains

example

ITG Maxogen £300 and 15-18Hp gain

Evoms intake £270 and 8-15hp gain

Carbonio intake scoop £185hp <1hp gain

I had 4 different intakes on my car.

Carbonio=made no power at all

Code red induction kit = about 7hp iirc

ITG Maxogen induction kit=18Hp

Pipercross venom(was given to me) = lost about 10hp

While I know what you are getting at VRSy, I feel I should let you know you are infact mistaken in this case, what you are saying applies to the Carbonio system for the old TFSI engines (which is widely known to be poop!), the Carbonio system for the newer TSI engines is very different and has proven gains in the U.S. where they have been tuning the TSI engines for longer than us, I have one fitted and trust me it makes a very noticable difference, obviously my car is mapped so the difference is more apparent, but my VRS made 260hp and 305lbft at stage 1 with the Carbono intake fitted (local RR day, various cars making correct stock figures so should be fairly accurate) despite the Shark map only being quoted at around 250HP, and my experience was that the intake added what felt like another 10HP (bum dyno)

just something a lot of you guys should know!

Note the very different design, a proper heatshielded intake, with the OEM air feed used, much improved design from the old one!

Edited 29 January, 201214 yr by daz_pd

While I know what you are getting at VRSy, I feel I should let you know you are infact mistaken in this case, what you are saying applies to the Carbonio system for the old TFSI engines (which is widely known to be poop!), the Carbonio system for the newer TSI engines is very different and has proven gains in the U.S. where they have been tuning the TSI engines for longer than us, I have one fitted and trust me it makes a very noticable difference, obviously my car is mapped so the difference is more apparent, but my VRS made 260hp and 305lbft at stage 1 with the Carbono intake fitted (local RR day, various cars making correct stock figures so should be fairly accurate) despite the Shark map only being quoted at around 250HP, and my experience was that the intake added what felt like another 10HP (bum dyno)

just something a lot of you guys should know!

Note the very different design, a proper heatshielded intake, with the OEM air feed used, much improved design from the old one!

Finally a first hand review of the carbonio air intake, for 10hp gain & slick looks it looks worth it, dunno if it will make the engine run lean if used with a stock ecu & not a remapped one,

hmmn..

Thanks..

Edited 29 January, 201214 yr by insane79

Finally a first hand review of the carbonio air intake, for 10hp gain & slick looks it looks worth it, dunno if it will make the engine run lean if used with a stock ecu & not a remapped one,

hmmn..

Thanks..

This is for the 2.0 Tsi, will it fit the 1.8?

cant say for sure if it will fit the 1.8 TSI, but I would say it almost certainly will, I think the 1.8 TSI shares the same airbox as the 2.0 TSI

I fitted the heat reflective material on the underside of the engine cover and it made a difference to reduce the heatsoak into the engine cover. If it was a choice between an intake air filter and remap. Id get the remap as it will yield the most gains for the money and a drop in a panel filter.

My mistake when people say carbonio intake that's whst pops into my head. If you had of said the APR intake......

The local tuner over here is giving the stage1 superchips map, carbonio(apr tuned) air intake & magnaflow exhaust, he is saying a 220bhp outcome from 160bhp stock, Do i need a catback exhaust for the full benefit of the stage1 map?

so very tempting to do this package. btw i m from india..

Thanks..

Edited 1 February, 201214 yr by insane79

so if i just go for the APR air intake i wouldn't need a remap to avoid the engine from running lean correct? i want the air intake more for the sound then the performance..

Thanks..

Edited 17 March, 201214 yr by insane79

The APR Carbonio will not give you much sound, as its enclosed, if you want sound you will have to get either an EVOMS or a P-FLo intake

Its a little silly, what all these intakes say about increased performance of 10-15 bhp etc etc. I've been around turbo cars a lot, including 2 Evos and 2 STi, and trust me, the intakes just dont add hp on stock turbos. If your lucky and the kit is a good one, then it will give u a little more top end before the taper, and help the turbo take in more air at very high rpms. So basically you will reach ur peak hp a little earlier, and maintain it a bit longer. That will get really apparent only with a tune.

I ran a Stage 2+ STI and Stage 2+ evo with the stock intake/panel filter, and made more power than the guys with CAIs. The only time i had to get an intake(APS CAI) was when I switched to a FMIC, and could no longer retain the stock airbox on the STI with a GT52 turbo. Evo was very upset with the intakes and would loose whatever little bottom end it had.

And for all of you, CAI/Ram Airs are a NO NO on a stock turbo car without a tune. Trust me, had my evo 8's engine **** over me after a AEM Ram Air. I learnt the hard way so you all dont need to :-)

Hey chaps - am considering an APR Carbino intake too - after reading the above thread I'm still not sure which is rubbish and which is decent... is it either of these two?:

 

http://www.awesomegti.com/car/skoda/octavia2/carbonio-intake-system-skoda-octavia-mk2-1-8tsi-and-2-0tsi

 

http://www.awesomegti.com/car/skoda/octavia2/carbonio-intake-system-skoda-octavia-mk2-vrs-2-0t-fsi - this looks like the right one for my 2006 Octy as it looks the same as this one:

 

http://www.mtk-tuning.com/media/produits/racing/pipercross/img/apr-carbonio-pipercross-tfsi-detail_700x700.jpg

Edited 4 April, 201610 yr by MarkSk0da