My mums 180 VRS just went in for its first service and checking the oil afterwards when hot and level and its over the top of the dipstick marks, about 2mm over full.

Is this going to be an issue??

I'd complain.

Overfilling oil can damage your cat and engine.

Isnt the oil meant to be checked when cold? I cant remember off the top of my head tbh.

Nope its ment to checked when hot, i reckon theyv filled it up an checked it when its cold and itl show less than when its hot

Always confused by these posts and how others oil checks are done.

My car with cold oil is up at the top orange marker, (off the scale of the dipstick!)

&

then when brought up to 88 to 90 degrees celsius and the switched off and left for 3 minutes, the level is correct at the top of the hatch.

If i was changing oil and filter and warming up a minute and setting the oil level at the top of the 'Cross hatch',

there would not be enough oil in the engine to run it, and the 'Hot Check' would show the oil level too low.

george

Edited 14 July, 201213 yr by sk4gw

I don't know how Skoda dipstick marks work, but the SEAT marks are very confusing.

The dipstick has an indent in it, and you would think the top of the indent is where the oil needs to be filled to. However, if you look in the manual, the top mark is around 2mm above the indent, so are you sure what you're seeing is an overfilled engine?

Always confused by these posts and how others oil checks are done.

My car with cold oil is up at the top orange marker, (off the scale of the dipstick!)

&

then when brought up to 88 to 90 degrees celsius and the switched off and left for 3 minutes, the level is correct at the top of the hatch.

If i was changing oil and filter and warming up a minute and setting the oil level at the top of the 'Cross hatch',

there would not be enough oil in the engine to run it, and the 'Hot Check' would show the oil level too low.

george

This is a relief. I was always led to believe you checked it cold and it should be within the cross hatch so when I got mine back from service and it was over the cross hatch section I started thinking my CAT was going to die, but I guess not. It was a certain reputable tuning specialist in Essex that did the service so I have to assume they know what they're doing. Or am I being naive? :think:

Anyone that runs a vRS and believes that they run the correct maximum oil level just needs to go out and dip it cold and see where it is on the dipstick,

& then go run it up to 'Normal Running temerature' as described in the Skoda Fabia owners manual,

or better still in the VW GTI owners manual and see where the level is on the stick.

Seems simple enough, other than VAG do not specify 'Normal running temperature' or 'Wait a few Minutes',

3 minutes suits me.

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/233266-check-oil-level-465-miles

george

Edited 14 July, 201213 yr by sk4gw

Anyone that runs a vRS and believes that they run the correct maximum oil level just needs to go out and dip it cold and see where it is on the dipstick,

& then go run it up to 'Normal Running temerature' as described in the Skoda Fabia owners manual,

or better still in the VW GTI owners manual and see where the level is on the stick.

Seems simple enough, other than VAG do not specify 'Normal running temperature' or 'Wait a few Minutes',

3 minutes suits me.

http://www.briskoda....level-465-miles

george

The way I've been told to check the oil is check it warm, but leave it around 5 minutes after stopping to allow the oil to settle into the sump.

I find that if you wait 3 minutes or 5 minutes or even 6 minutes its the same mark on the dipstick.

So dont see the point in waiting the extra minutes unless doing something else first.

Whatever as long asthe correct amount of oil is being run in the engine, those that dont know if its 'Hot' or 'Cold'

on a TSI 1.4 vRS, or do not check are surprising me.

I always thought that people running Tuned, re-maped, large intercoolers, hybrid turbos, aftermarket exhausts etc would be concerned at getting the Oil level absolutely correct and keeping the Temp down low within the ideal range, maybe running race oil etc.

I see that some Dyno and rolling road graphs and read outs show on forums have unusual Oil Temperatures & very low temperatures below the optimum 'running temperature' for anyone taking an Engine up to full output or looking at Maximum Torque & BHP.

My Dipstick end is Sand papered off to make the oil level clear to read instead of being shiny black.

http://www.briskoda....level-465-miles

george

EDIT PS, I am not saying my way is right, just saying how i check and how i will keep checking, you obviously need to 'decide yourself and do what ever'.

Edited 14 July, 201213 yr by sk4gw

The vRS must be different to other cars then. I've seen my dipstick touching that orange marker and like the OP thinking the worst too but I only ever put small amounts in when topping up. I assumed this is because of that turbo cooler. When you've been driving spiritedly and turn the engine off you can hear the oil still trickling round and when it stops the oil goes back to the sump and raises the level higher.

All my previous cars I've checked the level when cold on flat ground and topped up to the top marker. None of them used oil apart from servicing.

Forgive my lack of mechanical knowledge, but when it goes for a service, do they not empty all the oil out, then surely the dealer has a document detail the correct amount of oil the car should hold? So, measure out said amount and put into engine. Simple!? Mine is going for its first service soon, my intention is to wait at dealer until up to temperature then check myself, so they can sort any potential under/over fill immediately

Thats exactly what many Workshops are doing.

Drain the oil and take off the oil filter and change, flush the engine or not,

Drain plug back on with new crush washer or not, check everything.

Set the 'Oil pump' to the required amount of oil.

Refill,

Dip and check when cold,

Start it up and run for a few minutes, leave to sit and diip it and check.

Job done.

Only its not done right and its not automatically getting sent out with the correct oil level.

Enough posts here and owners that have experienced the wrong oil level from a service, or others that do not check theirself and wonder a week later why it is low or the Warning light comes on.

george

I know how to measure the oil level correctly hence the fact I mentioned that the engine was hot in my first post.

I'll double check I read it correctly though, perhaps i misread it , i like the idea of sanding the end to make it easier to read

From reading your post, i was assuming that did know how to read the dipstick,

& the Technician that did the service did not.

Let us know how it is, and give them hell please once you are totally sure that they have overfilled.

IMO Skoda UK need to get this sorted out so that at least Dealerships conected to them are not getting it wrong.

george

Checked it again yesterday and yes its a tad high but i dont think i'm going to worry about it

Ye by the time you have noticed this the engine damage will be terminal. I have seen this before but only 1mm over the mark and the pressure blew the crank shaft straight out the bottom of the sump. If this has not yet happened the you are living on borrowed time my friend.

Edited 16 July, 201213 yr by James vrs

Im pretty sure it will be fine. With the oil comsumption of these engines it will burn that in no time.

Edited 16 July, 201213 yr by James vrs

There is no "these engines", thats just silly IMHO & a Internet generalization..

There are some engines, maybe some engines early on and not later on,

& engines that have no great "oil Consumption" & engines that need sorted out if they are being treated correctly and using excessive amount of oil when being driven as designed to be driven.

Run quality oil at the correct levels and do not trust others word on it, 'that includes my word obviously'

george

Edited 16 July, 201213 yr by sk4gw

James VRS are you schizophrenic?? first post full of apocalyptic doom and second saying its fine as for oil pressure "blowing the crankshaft out of through sump" do me a favour !! Thats the best laugh i have had in a really long time

This car gets an easy life I'm sure it will be fine , oil level is not that critical so that 1mm out results in catastrophic failure despite what anyone on the t'internet tells you

1mm = engine failure LOL that's the best I've read in a long time.

There is no "these engines", thats just silly IMHO & a Internet generalization..

There are some engines, maybe some engines early on and not later on,

& engines that have no great "oil Consumption" & engines that need sorted out if they are being treated correctly and using excessive amount of oil when being driven as designed to be driven.

Run quality oil at the correct levels and do not trust others word on it, 'that includes my word obviously'

george

Well i think its safe to say that many people on the forum have had oil consumption issues early on in the cars life and even once the cars have got a good few miles on them. I wouldnt class it internet generalization cause my car is using 1L of oil every 900-1000 miles and its done 10000 miles and there are many others experiencing the same issue.

James VRS are you schizophrenic?? first post full of apocalyptic doom and second saying its fine as for oil pressure "blowing the crankshaft out of through sump" do me a favour !! Thats the best laugh i have had in a really long time

This car gets an easy life I'm sure it will be fine , oil level is not that critical so that 1mm out results in catastrophic failure despite what anyone on the t'internet tells you

Haha just having a laugh. Ye overfilling oil doesnt matter to much unless of course the oil is filled to the top of the rocker cover lol. I would just let it slide. Over filling oil is easy done especially if you check it too quickly after the engine has been running, it will always show to little oil for a couple of minutes.

Edited 16 July, 201213 yr by James vrs

James vrs,

Your car cartainly does appear to have High oil usage.

Why are you accepting that and not seeking Skoda to get your vehicle to perform as it should,

that seems totally unacceptable?

Mine did that after a Dealership sold it to a private buyer, and it was then dealt with a 4000 miles and now at 12,000 miles it has no issues.

(even after having had problems on that car and repairing the engine the Skoda Dealership workshop in this case put the car out twice with the wrong amount of oil in it.)

Many commenting on a forum means very little IMO, they are just the people that are on forums and choose to comment..

THat needs SKODA UK to take their problem seriously, because they and their Dealerships where not.

Lots also say they have no issues or that after 5 or more thousand miles they have no oil usage issues.

I know how many are mentioning it since i joined this forum.

I also know how many i read that talk about issues then never give any feed back after realising that they might have been running their vehicle with the wrong amount of oil in it.

ie,

*not enough oil if they were dipping it when cold or only warm.

Left the garage with less than the correct amount of oil rather than being overfilled*

The hopeless dipstick on a vRS TSI shows the oil as above the top 'orange' marker with a cold engine and all the oil in the sump.

I have a post asking those that have had their cars or engines replaced to give the age or first registered date of their vehicle so that others know, but none appear willing.

(Do Skoda make then sign a confidentiality agreement? because they dont appear to want to share much after getting a car replaced, its easy to see their posts from before SKODA shorted them out tho!)

It certainly is a problem for a few, but as to 'many', i am not so sure.

Is it 2 out of every 10 cars? then thats 20% having problems and thats 2 high.

or is it 2 out of 100 cars? well even 2% is to high, but lots of people might fail to read an Owners Manual properly,

& then are not checking the oil level properly, a car engine with not enough oil runs hotter and uses oil very quickly,

always been that way, and with 'these' (using your term) engines, that is certainly the case,

Also

in this cars case, its a pretty hopeless Owners Manual even if you do read it.

Bad Translation from Czech to English.

george

Edited 17 July, 201213 yr by sk4gw